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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe rush to judgement on Franken has BACKFIRED causing more problems in the party. DUMB CALL!
What a DUMB call Gillibrand and others made with their DUMB rush to judgement and lynch mobbing of Franken! Here is the great lesson: TAKE EACH SITUATION SEPARATELY AND STOP RUSHING TO JUDGEMENT!! Because here is what she and they have done:
1) Abandoned the great democratic principle of due process.
2) Allowed shady and WEAK allegations to pass for strong and credible allegations.
3) Allowed the EVIL of FALSE EQUIVALENCY to win the day. (Franken is NOT Trump and sure as hell is NOT Moore.)
4) Disregarded the STRONG EVIDENCE of some 20 women who worked with Franken for years and said he was NOT a sexual harasser and allowed that to get trumped (pun intended) by a some very weak allegations by confirmed right wingers.
5) Diminished REAL and CREDIBLE sexual harassment allegations.
6) Allowed a noble goal to degenerate into mob mentality.
7) Set up ANYONE who has ever done anything with a hint of off-coloredness many years ago to be labeled a sexual harasser who must be fired. Who the hell has ever led a perfect life? Who can pass this test?
8) Has now made it MANDATORY that they stand in front the cameras VERY SOON and strongly call for the resignation of Donald Trump, Roy Moore if he is elected, Clarence Thomas, and ANYONE on that side who now or in the past has been accused of sexual harassment or impropriety. And if they don't, then they become mega-hypocrites and weaklings. So we shall see on this one.
Bad call! What they could have done instead was stand in front of the cameras, said they don't tolerate sexual abuse or harassment, and said they would have a full ethics committee investigation which Franken has agreed to and if he is found in serious violation there would be consequences. Also say everyone gets due process and every situation is different. That is what they could have done. Instead, they went the lynchmob route and pissed off much their base in a big way causing needless gender divisions and other divisions in the party when we otherwise all agree that sexual abuse and harassment is very wrong and needs to be confronted. Fine. But then again, each situation is to be taken fairly and separately and not allowed to be swept down the rabbit hole of media frenzy and mob mentality. STUPID!
JI7
(89,184 posts)LBM20
(1,580 posts)OnDoutside
(19,908 posts)PatrickforO
(14,516 posts)than some mob action.
We're the last bastion of sanity is this great suck-fest that has become America. If we cave in and jettison common decency, morality and throw common sense out the window, then there is no sanity left.
OnDoutside
(19,908 posts)That said, we are severely diminished as a Party by it.... grassroots voter support will dwindle as we all were " Franken- ended". Unity resulting with mass disparity...
bench scientist
(1,107 posts)Demsrule86
(68,355 posts)brooklynite
(93,880 posts)Tweets and DU posts have never be representative of anything.
JonAndKatePlusABird
(303 posts)Facebook posts on Senator Gilibrand's page. Discussion with family and friends, who are strong Democrats.
Sure, it's anecdotal, but I get the impression that people are pissed.
Kimchijeon
(1,606 posts)The Wielding Truth
(11,411 posts)rainy
(6,085 posts)the right wing squawk machine and MSM that wont give details.
spicysista
(1,663 posts)And Shirley Sherrod. But, I don't see the despair that some are seeing. Instead, I see this as another teaching moment for those who casually say that both sides are the same. I have hope that the perpetual false equivalence syndrome will be abated, at least in some measure. Maybe we will move forward as a more unified party. One thing we can take from the "right".....they always stick together.
ornotna
(10,763 posts)THEY are not going to change and unfortunately we will continue to shoot ourself in the foot.
spicysista
(1,663 posts)But some can and do change. For example, after drinking the both sides are the same punch during the Ralph Nader fiasco, Michael Moore has since corrected his ways. It is true that some will never change. However, we can not afford to give up on those who can and will.
The Wizard
(12,483 posts)and the other side lies 10% of the time, are they considered equally dishonest. Democrats have set themselves up for failure in years to come with this purity test.
janterry
(4,429 posts)n/t
FBaggins
(26,697 posts)He actually polls higher now than before his actions were first reported. Jones does too, but it isn't looking good.
mythology
(9,527 posts)A majority of voters think both parties have handled sexual harassment badly and a plurality think Franken should resign and that Moore should withdraw.
Over 60% of voters think a politician should resign when faced with multiple accusations of sexual harassment.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-democrats-are-finally-pushing-franken-to-resign/
janterry
(4,429 posts)that's the story . TY
That will probably shift a bit upwards (it often does), but for Franken to regain his former numbers.......a whole different narrative would have to evolve.
I still like him
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)Democrat
Remain in Office -- 34 percent
Resign from Office -- 14 percent
Wait for Results -- 46 percent
Not Sure -- 6 percent
Republican
Remain in Office -- 12 percent
Resign from Office -- 61 percent
Wait for Results -- 18 percent
Not Sure -- 9 percent
Lokilooney
(322 posts)It's also split along party lines in regard to perceived future effectiveness.
Democrat
Effective -- 52 percent
Ineffective -- 19 percent
Not Sure -- 29 percent
Republican
Effective -- 16 percent
Ineffective -- 61 percent
Not Sure -- 22 percent
Now watch Roy Moore win, as the saying goes all politics is local. Out of state Democrats should have kept there noses out of it until the ethics committee was done.
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)franken is absolutely one of our best senators
sessions lied 3 times to the senate with franken questioning him and yet he is still "the top law enforcement officer" and franken is going to be out?
Jarqui
(10,110 posts)Some, like me, feel Franken did not get the due process the circumstances indicated.
Others felt they heard enough from his accusers to effectively convict him without examining the evidence via hearing/due process.
No matter what, the GOP peel away at the Dem support.
global1
(25,169 posts)How many accusers did Franken supposedly have? I only recall two. Tweeden and the last lady that accused Franken of grabbing her flesh around her waist when posing for a picture. And on that one I learned that she recently put on weight and was self-conscious about that.
How many accusers? What did they say he did to them to cause them to claim they were harrassed? Where they above board and give their names or just make anonymous claims? I must have been asleep at the wheel because i don't recall multiple accusations. Someone please enlighten me.
Demit
(11,238 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Came out when everyone was just learning about how shady Tweeden was. Lindsay Menz, who says the photo at 2010 State Fair was taken at precise moment Franken squeezed her butt and she was shocked. But the photo does not show any such thing, she is relaxed and smiling. This one pisses me off the most because Lindsay shopped her story around, and no one bit until MJ Lee of CNN who seems to have a vendetta against Franken, published it. Lindsays family are supporters of Tea party candidates in Minnesota. I asked MJ if the photo was cropped to not show Frankens hands, or any collaborating proof. The article says a sister posted a comment on Facebook when it happened, BUT no one has seen it, and someone said sister not even on Facebook until 2011. The fact that MJ ran the story without evidence except for a possibly cropped photo was devastating because we had just heard about Tweeden and her story & photo.
It was like a sucker one two punch, how does Franken defend himself? It was totally irresponsible journalism.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Were some anonymous hand on butt at photo ops. Then there was a soldier who said 14 years ago during a photo he put his 8 foot long Gumby arms around her waist up to her breast, but in the article about her claim, MJ goes into long detail about the soldiers assault by another soldier the year before photo with Franken, left her with PTSD.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Was absolutely ridiculous. A photo op, and he put his hand on her WAIST. But she was embarrassed because she gained weight after quitting smoking and didnt want his hand on her waist. When I take photos, its automatic to put an arm around someone. This is the most absurd complaint of all, yet it was the final straw that made his colleagues throw him under the bus!
Because people were paying more attentions to "numbers" than to the actual allegations. "Well, if there were six, it must be true."
Total hit job.
mchill
(1,015 posts)The devil is always in the details.
Not everyone is paying close attention and are only reading or listening to the headlines. After all the shocking stories that have surfaced about famous abusers, many people probably just thought, "There's another one".
Amaryllis
(9,523 posts)her the history on Tweeden and she had no idea.
PatSeg
(46,807 posts)There is so much to keep track of these days and not everyone has the time to research everything they hear or read. I am retired and have more time than most, but even I have a hard time keeping up, especially since Trump came on the scene.
Amaryllis
(9,523 posts)PatSeg
(46,807 posts)No wonder we are all so strung out and exhausted.
Amaryllis
(9,523 posts)PatSeg
(46,807 posts)Bush was the reason I became obsessed with politics. I couldn't imagine any president being worse than him and now I'm afraid to say that about Trump. What if it could get worse?
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)They decided that if just one more accusation was made, they would pronounce guilt. The nature of the accusation was irrelevant, so it only took one publicity-hound with an utterly ridiculous tale of trauma to tip the scales.
PatSeg
(46,807 posts)The media shares a lot of blame on this one. They quickly reported without question every allegation that came down the pipe.
Amaryllis
(9,523 posts)freakout started.
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)accept Lindsey Graham to join them my admiration was all gone. A couple are in a fight for their political life. They sacrificed one of our best for themselves.
You can bet that sleazy Jeff Sessions has his hands all over this. Al exposed him. And Tweedon allowed herself to be used. Wonder how she feels now? Knowing Al helped her career?
SergeStorms
(18,907 posts)Rule number one - never have remorse for anything you say, or any of your actions. Republicans never make mistakes!
Rule number two - see rule number one.
FBaggins
(26,697 posts)If he's actually guilty, then the results are just what should have been expected.
rzemanfl
(29,540 posts)greymattermom
(5,751 posts)who played to the audience of the time.
Chemisse
(30,793 posts)Sharpen the guillotine!
rzemanfl
(29,540 posts)He should be drawn and quartered.
because you never know around here these days....
Chemisse
(30,793 posts)BootinUp
(46,928 posts)Martin Eden
(12,805 posts)The OP calls for due process to establish guilt before punishment.
FBaggins
(26,697 posts)That assumes that he was lying during his resignation speech... because he claims that the reason he's leaving is that while he didn't do anything wrong, the due process process would distract so much from his duties that he couldn't effectively represent his constituents.
Amaryllis
(9,523 posts)MSM would then report.
SergeStorms
(18,907 posts)when news organizations had people called "journalists", who would actually investigate the veracity of a story before reporting on it!
Can you imagine that?
When the main stream media transformed from actual journalism to a variety entertainment show (the FOX Noise effect), their usefulness as a reliable resource for facts plummeted. If you want to watch a variety show with bits of unsubstantiated political information sprinkled in, then by all means, watch the main stream media for entertainment purposes only.
If you want facts, you're far, far better off reading a reputable foreign news service, who doesn't have a monetary or political dog in any of the hunts on which it reports. They're funded by anonymous individual donors; not parent networks, left or right-wing "think" tanks, or oligarchs looking for a friendly voice for hire. They are independent, as it should be when truth matters, and the truth always matters.
Amaryllis
(9,523 posts)Demit
(11,238 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)greeny2323
(590 posts)And this isn't going away. People are mistaken if they think we are going to forget this.
dalton99a
(81,091 posts)Franken gave Democrats the 60th vote to pass the ACA
Franken forced Sessions to recuse himself which prompted the naming of a special counsel
and all his bestsellers against the RW
Deb
(3,742 posts)A State is being deprived of it's elected representation.
To think that trump will get his day in court makes this injustice all the more galling.
spike91nz
(180 posts)Becoming republican he can ignore the accusations of sexual harassment and then lead the charge for impeachment of Trump from within the majority party. Once the mission is accomplished he can address the sexual harassment accusers and return to being a democratic. His coming to terms with the reality that the left will always fragment into infighting factions and undermine the collective effort toward progress, will provide a unique opportunity for his formidable intelligence to address the critical issues currently facing democracy. If he switches parties,he has the advantage of the laser focus of the myoptic right employed to the effort to achieve justice and save the republic from Trump and Putin, and can then return to the moral self examination required of the left, and to which the right is immune.
dembotoz
(16,740 posts)another dem....
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,706 posts)Renew Deal
(81,803 posts)The fact my own actions have given people a good reason to doubt that makes me feel ashamed
kacekwl
(6,994 posts)these women are a bunch of lying sluts , I never did anything they said and will sue them all. Now vote for me bitches.
Chemisse
(30,793 posts)I admire him all the more for it.
Some things are more important than winning at politics.
kacekwl
(6,994 posts)Sorry if you felt offended . Oops did it again.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Makes the point and saves some words.
Chemisse
(30,793 posts)It's difficult when one has to guess if a post is sarcastic or not. I didn't even suspect that yours was. Certainly there are people who would post that in all seriousness.
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)If we unilaterally disarm -- as in the case of Franken's completely needless resignation -- then Republicans will thank us very much and continue destroying the country with improved majorities in Washington.
Dems lose voters because we're seen as weak-kneed and timid. And this week's demonstration of cravenness by the Dem caucus has just reinforced that reputation.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)rzemanfl
(29,540 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)Last edited Sun Dec 10, 2017, 10:08 AM - Edit history (1)
..question: Has the move really backfired? As a fact, rather than an opinion?
I, for one, am furious and spent half a day writing, and calling Gillibrand, Schumer, Feinstein and many of the other Democrats who did this.
But, is the majority of Democratic voters actually also doing and feeling the same? Our irate-ness is not the same as an actual groundswell of anger against this.
Does anyone know what is actually taking place outside in the vast middle of the Party?
That saidone more thing needs to be added to the above excellent list. Trump lost Minnesota by a narrow margin. By giving up Franken's seat, the Dems have set us up for a real right wing challenge. I'm sick with this.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)And I also called.
BaileyBill
(170 posts)Democrats decimated by jaywalking scandal.
dalton99a
(81,091 posts)and accused jaywalkers!
rzemanfl
(29,540 posts)Applies to Democrats only
delisen
(6,039 posts)caused for Democrats by forcing out Franken.
So the high profile "solution" is now a high profile problem for Democrats.
This is a self-inflicted wound.
I consider this a problem created by the leadership team Schumer/Durbin. I wonder how Harry Reid would have dealt with the Franken issue.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)90-percent
(6,828 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It's irrelevant that other women state that the didn't harass THEM. Moore had a similar testament, too. When you are tried for a crime in court, it's not a defense that you had never robbed a jewelry store BEFORE, therefore, you didn't rob this one!
It matters as a testament to character, pattern of behavior...but doesn't really show innocence as to the particular allegations.
Having said that...I have no doubt that Franken is not guilty of harassment or groping or molestation. I've not seen or read anything that tells me otherwise. (Grabbing a waist when you come in close for a fan's selfie is NOT groping or molestation.)
Demsrule86
(68,355 posts)MrModerate
(9,753 posts)We need some new Dems, starting with Gilliland.
blue cat
(2,415 posts)I'm doing some angry calls Monday. I've never been this disillusioned by my party.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,163 posts)She is really getting smoked.
disndat
(1,887 posts)I hope it's 2018. Maybe AF could reestablish his NYS residency and run against her.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,163 posts)And hopefully, out.
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)Destroy a fellow Dem to aggrandize her self.
Guys I was willing to accept those Senators until I saw Lindsey Graham strut out.
He played golf with Trump again,is gipushing over him,demanding an investigation of the Clinton Emails,uranium, anything to get the heat off Trump.
Mika was saying this morning, Guys,he lies,you will never get what you want! Lindsey is bucking for a cabinet position. What a lousy turncoat Graham is.
Went from hating Trump to sipucking up to him. You think Lindsey might be having a Senior ,
Moment,too?
keithbvadu2
(36,371 posts)Ideological purity... Then some of them hugged a supposed sexual abuser
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029953946#post36
PatSeg
(46,807 posts)The backlash is overwhelming. Worst political move of her career, I'd think.
Most of the comments about Franken read pretty much the same. People are seeing through this political sham. A small handful are supportive.
https://www.facebook.com/SenKirstenGillibrand/
dalton99a
(81,091 posts)mchill
(1,015 posts)but the same thing is happening on Kamala Harris's page (I'm sure about that), but later last night, I could not find the relevant post with most of the comments. Did she scrub?
I was surprised they were still there this morning.
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)Wayne Hynum Hey Kirsten Gillibrand. I suddenly remember you touched my butt several years ago. It was so humiliating. Several other men say they remember you touching them too. So resign your Senate seat immediately! See how easy it is for people to make false allegations? That's why you don't force someone out without giving them the chance to have a hearing and defend themselves.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,163 posts)PatSeg
(46,807 posts)That is why I decided to post some of the comments, rather than just the Facebook link.
People are really angry, so even if she does scrub the comments, a lot of people will just go back and post again.
Loubee
(165 posts)than saving our country from the GOP crime syndicate power grab.
dlk
(11,439 posts)I'll admit, until this morning, I'd never heard of Stephen Cloobeck. From what I've read, he sounds like a bully who demanded Franken's resignation under the threat of pulling $ millions in campaign donations because his feelings were hurt by the word "billionaire." (Oversized snowflake?) If that's the case, our democracy is in much worse shape than most of us realize.
dalton99a
(81,091 posts)Owl
(3,629 posts)flamingdem
(39,304 posts)They had better not ignore us. The wound will fester.
I wish a reliable pollster would see the stats. I bet 80% of us think they made a colossal error.
mchill
(1,015 posts)And she has shut down comments on her FB page. Good riddins.
randr
(12,408 posts)He should have followed the Republican plan; let the voters in his state decide to send him back or not.
Takket
(21,425 posts)Why is that talking point important?
With the left itself angry Al was denied due process, the right now has a "get out of jail free card" for all their crimes. "We can't just lynch someone like Al was lynched, give everyone due process!"
Moore will win, and "due process" that goes nowhere will take part in the Senate until it is just forgotten about. he will never be kicked out.
We wanted moral high ground, GOP is going to flip this on its ear and use it against us.
flamingdem
(39,304 posts)with a functioning brain.
LisaL
(44,962 posts)And there are plenty of issues to attack Moore one, that don't have anything to do with Al Franken. There was no need to kick Al out in order to attack Moore.
This is going to backfire big time! I know the Dems want to seem like they are doing the right thing and shame the GOP into following suit. Not gonna happen. Moore will get to the Senate and stay there. No ethics, no nothing...........and we lose a good one before any ethics investigation. And I get so fed up with everyones disgust about these allegations........spare me the outrage. 30% of the electorate chose to vote for an admitted (by his own words) sexual offender and I will not pay any attention to their outcries as long as he is in office. When he is held up to the same standards, then we can talk.
I dont mean to infer that I am referring to anyone here on DU......just the general public.
disndat
(1,887 posts)It is so gratifying to see this tsunami of Gillibrand backlash. I thought I was the only one to react to the call for Al Franken's resignation with sadness and heartbreak.
Gillibrand not only shot herself in the foot she seems to have self-immolated with her reply to a reporter's question if she also
apply her call for Al Franken's resignation to Bill Clinton. Her answer accomplished a major-major setback since the Clintons were once her main supporters.
It remains to be seen if she can get past the Primaries in her next N.Y.S. reelection campaign.
Skittles
(152,967 posts)they must think we are as dumb as fucking Trump voters
krispos42
(49,445 posts)After the Russia-backed Bernie vs Hillary schism.
Democrats: once again snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
dalton99a
(81,091 posts)and the looting and pillage continue unabated
Dumb move.
It's Frankens call. Not you. Gilliland, Schumer, or Pelosi. Al blew it since an investigation would have been an important step for women. However, Al chose and these posts about the dumbness of the Democrats pales in comparison to if any of the accusations against Al are even remotely true.
karin_sj
(805 posts)Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)LBM20
(1,580 posts)Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)as far as I'm concerned.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)lancelyons
(988 posts)if everybody is so gung ho on Franken staying an the democratic party now sucks...how would Franken stay in and not be considered a sexual harasser. HOW?
There does not seem to be any effort to discredit these women working for the GOP. Nobody is wanting to go there. If they are not exposed as fake or doing something political or wrong, then the accusations stand. If you cry about due process for franken then there would also need to be due process for roy moore rigth?
Franken should have exposed these women in such a way to frame them as co conspirators with Hannity or Fox News. That didnt happen.
I think the democratic party did the right thing. The only way to take the high road and make sure women know the democrats will even lose one of their own to advance this important womens issue.
Its clear the democrats have taken a step toward aligning more with women and their rights.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)The RW is laughing their asses off over us destroying ourselves without their help.
What they did was so far and away the very worst thing they could have done as to be light years beyond the pale. It just boggles my mind that anyone could support that decision.
Sienna86
(2,147 posts)To pose for the offensive photograph years ago. Lest you be offended, I donated money to his campaign. A reaction and the repercussions to that photo are not dumb.
blimablam
(121 posts)Sienna86
(2,147 posts)PatrickforO
(14,516 posts)have done. Exactly.
Instead, some bozo handler must have suggested the term 'zero tolerance' and these people mistakenly thought that was a good idea instead of the centuries-old and sacred right of all people to due process.
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underthematrix
(5,811 posts)You can manipulate Republican voters with hate and Democratic voters with outrage.
The only way to protect yourself from this intense level of manipulation is to READ history on a broad range of subjects.
Right now, I'm Lawrence O'Donnell's Playing with Fire which is about the 1968 campaign. It's the kind f book that's very hard to put down.
DownriverDem
(6,207 posts)folks who don't understand politics. So keep on focusing on the wrong thing. Ignore the fight with the repubs. That will really work.
radhika
(1,008 posts)9) Showed Bannon and right-wing operatives how easy it is to trigger libruls and Dems into rash self-destructive actions. Sit back and watch them self-destruct for no political or social benefits. This is a cheap ploy that they can reliably replicate at all levels of electoral office.
The Dems are now stuck with this act - even if they rescind it, and Al stays.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)I refuse to accept failure. I wear a number 7 shoe.
KPN
(15,587 posts)no less than the Tea Party.
moonseller66
(430 posts)So now we know there are a number of Left Wing viewers who only watch, listen to or choose to hear one side of a story much as those Fox Viewers they've ranted about.
Rather than trying to become better informed, they rushed to judgment about Franken based on the reports of only those they seem to pay attention to ignoring any attempt to become better informed.
After years of bitching that the Right only has eyes and ears for Fox News, it's disturbing to learn there are so many Democrats who wear one vew blinders and listen only to what they want. I thought we on the Left checked things out before...
Those who were the ones rushing to judgment are no better than those who swear by Fox News.
Holier-than-thou now appears to be not limited to the Right.
Mores the pity!
demosincebirth
(12,518 posts)Progressive dog
(6,862 posts)and if those women were all liars, say so. He didn't and now some expect Democrats to defend him when he won't even defend himself.
It may be a bad call, but Franken left them no other option.
LBM20
(1,580 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)because it is currently the most popular thread at DU, which tells us something---but maybe not what we think.
Lots of inflammatory words here. Lots of BIG LETTERS. They catch the eye, they stir the imagination. Let's get rid of the little words and see what the guts sees when it skims through this piece.
"
First thing I notice: a false equivalence. Al Franken was not lynched. This is what a lynching looks like:
This is what your gut saw four times when you read the words "lynch mobbing", "mob mentality", 'lynchmob route" and "mob mentality." This picture is why these words get you fired up. But Al Franken was not lynched. He was a victim of character assassination. Big difference. How big a difference? Here is what you look like after character assassination:
Next, there is the breast beating. "DUMB. DUMB shady WEAK EVIL hypocrites weaklings bad call needless frenzy swept down the rabbit hole. STUPID" Who would want to be associated with a group of people like that? No one. That is why I am a Democrat and not a Republican, because those words describe the current GOP to a T. And yet, they are presented as a critique of the Democrats which then begs the question "If Democrats are the same as Republicans, why do I even bother to vote?" and we all know how helpful that attitude has been for our country.
Now a few words about Republican propaganda. I am not saying that the text above it Republican propaganda. I just want to share a few things to keep in mind when reading political essays on the Internet. One, Divide and Conquer is the GOP's favorite tool. And two, when they are caught with their hands in the cookie jar or with their pants down, they always resort to They All Do It (so why even bother voting?). Whenever you read anything political always ask yourself "Does this effectively divide and conquer my party?' and "Does this make me think that my vote is wasted on my party?"
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)Re: Lynching
fig·ur·a·tive
ˈfiɡyərədiv/
adjective
adjective: figurative
1.
departing from a literal use of words; metaphorical.
"gold, in the figurative language of the people, was the tears wept by the sun."
synonyms: metaphorical, nonliteral, symbolic, allegorical, representative, emblematic
"the example given was meant to be figurative"
Divide and Conquer: Did Gillibrand's actions divide us? If yes, then who do we blame for that division? What should our response be? Roll over and play dead?
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)It's being torn down from the inside with our strongest and best leaders being eaten alive by greedy opportunists. I, for one, won't forget this betrayal.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,355 posts)completely boneheaded and tone deaf move that will likely accomplish nothing except establishing an impossible precedent for future accusations against Democratic politicians that will help make it easier for Republicans to de-rail any Democratic politicians deemed by right-wing Republicans or other political opponents to be troublesome to their interests or annoying. And the best part for Republicans is that Senate Democrats have demonstrated that, if there are enough accusations of wrongdoing or impropriety, the Party will do the Republicans' dirty work of getting rid of them.