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brooklynite

(93,834 posts)
Tue May 12, 2015, 04:24 PM May 2015

Prosecutor: No charges for officer in Tony Robinson case

Source: CNN

Officer Matt Kenny of the Madison Police Department will not face charges in the March shooting death of biracial teen Tony Robinson, Dane County District Attorney Ismael Ozanne said Tuesday.

"I conclude that this tragic and unfortunate death was the result of a lawful use of deadly police force and that no charges should be brought against Officer Kenny in the death of Tony Robinson Jr.," he said.

"My decision will not bring Tony Robinson Jr. back," Ozanne told reporters. "My decision will not end the racial disparities that exist in the justice system, in our justice system. My decision is not based on emotion. Rather, this decision is based on the facts as they have been investigated and reported to me."

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/12/us/tony-robinson-madison-killing-investigation/index.html

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Prosecutor: No charges for officer in Tony Robinson case (Original Post) brooklynite May 2015 OP
It might be 'lawful', but that doesn't make it right. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #1
Yes. n/t Jefferson23 May 2015 #2
So, those of us upset about yet another police execution Borchkins May 2015 #3
It was an execution heaven05 May 2015 #4
"just wanted another notch on his gun"? brooklynite May 2015 #5
so you say heaven05 May 2015 #6
Indeed I do... brooklynite May 2015 #7
The truth speaks for itself heaven05 May 2015 #9
10 Shot 3 killed in Baltimore thursday night snooper2 May 2015 #28
your response heaven05 May 2015 #29
Why is "violent" in quotes Travis_0004 May 2015 #12
oh, didn't you know???? heaven05 May 2015 #26
Thats nice, but nobody is disputing that he assaulted somebody. Travis_0004 May 2015 #30
condescension heaven05 May 2015 #31
Why on earth do cops carry tasers? This was exactly the type of situation where it would have Flatulo May 2015 #8
So how do the fucking cops in Britain control people high on drugs or alcohol without killing them? Union Label May 2015 #10
Do you mean these British police cstanleytech May 2015 #11
Yes, the British police alfredo May 2015 #14
Actually, 50 police were killed by guns last year, not 30. 7962 May 2015 #20
well that took care of that heaven05 May 2015 #27
There aren't hundreds of millions of guns in the hands of the British population George II May 2015 #13
George II Diclotican May 2015 #16
Maybe its also time to look at crime in Iceland compared to the US. 7962 May 2015 #21
7962 Diclotican May 2015 #23
well heaven05 May 2015 #24
brooklynite Diclotican May 2015 #15
+1000 heaven05 May 2015 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #17
I'd go with whatever mom said PatrynXX May 2015 #18
So does Madison burn tonight??? nt greytdemocrat May 2015 #19
No. This is Madison. Lefta Dissenter May 2015 #22

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. It might be 'lawful', but that doesn't make it right.
Tue May 12, 2015, 04:29 PM
May 2015

Robinson was no angel. He was on multiple drugs at the time of his death, and behaving violently.

Nonetheless, he was not armed, and he had committed no crimes that carry a death penalty. He was shot because US police resort to lethal force simply because they can, not because they HAVE to, as police forces around the world demonstrate every day.

Borchkins

(722 posts)
3. So, those of us upset about yet another police execution
Tue May 12, 2015, 04:50 PM
May 2015

are all 'emotional' thus irrational? hmm.

My kids are in Madison Public schools and my seventh grader's homeroom teacher was going to have the TV on with all the kids to watch it. Civics in action.

B

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
4. It was an execution
Tue May 12, 2015, 05:14 PM
May 2015

black kid, "violent" "erratic" I'm sure threatening was used somewhere. No benefit of doubt given, just killed because a white police officer just wanted another notch on his gun. No one is fooled by these murders or lulled into submission by these words used by authorities to diminish a murder. Long hot summer ahead........

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
9. The truth speaks for itself
Tue May 12, 2015, 05:26 PM
May 2015

another young black male 's life snuffed out because he probably was struggling with trying to make sense of life. I know how I struggled at 19 and I had war to deal with also. I know my son's struggles at that age in life, You are entitled to your opinion. Means zero to me. Notch? YES notch!!!! And I have no doubt in my mind it won't be the last. I trust no police officer around young black people, especially if they are not from the community they are policing and of a different race. Period.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
28. 10 Shot 3 killed in Baltimore thursday night
Wed May 13, 2015, 10:01 AM
May 2015

A shooting occurred at the intersection of West Patapsco Avenue and Potee Street in south Baltimore around 6:15 p.m. Police said they found a 34-year-old woman shot multiple times. The woman, identified Friday as Melissa Anne Bingham, was taken to a hospital for treatment, where she later died.

Just before 8:30 p.m., a 26-year-old man was found in the 800 block of West Lexington Street in west Baltimore suffering from multiple gunshot wounds. The man, identified Friday as Armand Parrine, was taken to a hospital, where he later died.

A short time later, officers found a 16-year-old boy nearby in the 100 block of North Fremont Avenue in west Baltimore, suffering from a gunshot wound to his leg. Investigators believe Parrine and the teenager were shot in the 800 block of West Lexington Street.

Shortly after 10 p.m., a 28-year-old man and a 31-year-old woman were shot in the 500 block of North East Avenue in east Baltimore. The man was taken to a hospital, where he later died. The woman was taken to a hospital, where she was listed in critical condition.


http://www.wbaltv.com/news/three-dead-several-injured-in-baltimore-shootings/32877026

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
29. your response
Wed May 13, 2015, 11:27 AM
May 2015

is typical of those....who want to spread the Conservative perception, that black people, in general, are violent thugs. A simple, obvious attempt, like yours, at painting a violent picture of living in what I presume, are black neighborhoods does a continuing disservice to the AA race. First, I want to be clear on this especially. The violence that you are pointing out to prove, to yourself and other like minded progressives and liberal on this board/OP, that being black means being prone to violence is VERY transparent and that I abhor black on black violence/crime and that I speak up on the subject whenever and wherever it comes up.

Despair, poverty, racism does create a climate such as some people have to live in as you are obviously trying to point out. I know this for fact as most thinking people do. Your attempt at broad brushing a whole race here is understandable seeing as it, I presume, is coming from one that has never had to face living in america as a person of the AA race.

The words published here, in the link, describing a night in bmore cannot begin to cover the harm done to a whole race of people by others who live in a society with all privileges granted without restriction based on their skin color . This attempt at painting black people as violent does not paint a fair picture overall of black society in general or the black community specifically. WE DO NOT hear of white violence because it is not published. Period. There is white on white violence everyday, zimpig and his stalker the other day is one good example. Only because of zimpigs infamous murder of Trayvon Martin dd it make it into the press.

White people have perpetuated violence from their very first generation in this country, against the First americans, but that is never talked about much in 'polite company'. Is it? That the white race tacitly, implicitly and religiously approved, in great numbers, of the american slavery institution and of the marginalization of POC, pre and post Civil War, is fact. That historic and verifiable marginalization, economically and racially, of POC continues, even today, in 2015. And there is no excuse for it other than racist ideology being so firmly rooted in american culture that many have come believe the truth of the unreasoning hate and lies of racist white culture.

Why are black people so angry? I hear this time and again. I usually don't answer when that answer is pretty obvious. I know that hate breeds violence and that if that hate comes from outside the community, it continues creating the age old self hate that ALL black people must deal with at some time in their lives. Some are lucky enough as children to have parents, caregivers, whomever, that will show them their worth early enough that one respects ones self and others. Yet many others are lost in a cycle of psychological, economic and sociological despair and frustration that keep the violence perpetuated.

Your post is obvious in it's intent and I cannot, will not, allow you to continue to push the Conservative meme you're trying to perpetuate. It is a sad attempt at disparaging a whole race of people, yet is typical. It is a continued distraction from root causes of black despair and violence and borderline......., I feel.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
26. oh, didn't you know????
Wed May 13, 2015, 09:47 AM
May 2015

Last edited Wed May 13, 2015, 11:31 AM - Edit history (2)

violent, thug, demon, erratic, threat and threatening are all words used consistently to justify murder/execution of young black males. I've seen the word used countless times in justifications of shootings of unarmed black youth, men and women. Michael Brown was called that, violent, demon, threat. Hell, 12 year old Tamir Rice playing with a toy gun was seen as a "threat" by the racist clown who called the police on him and he died for it. John Crawford looking to buy an air rifle for his child was seen as a threat and died for it. This young man was killed in his apartment. He didn't have a gun and the poor police officer was "justified" in a shooting that was not his first. And the circumstances of this shooting were obvious and listening to the 911 call makes it clear that this police officer Kenny shoots pretty fast, doesn't he? This cop got an award for heroically shooting a drunk man. And the man he shot here was of his own race. I know a black kid didn't stand a chance. Come out of your cave/bubble every once in a while, you might learn something...geez

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
31. condescension
Wed May 13, 2015, 01:48 PM
May 2015

is always the typical fall back of the privileged when they KNOW they don't have a leg to stand. Now, "that's nice" when I see it.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
8. Why on earth do cops carry tasers? This was exactly the type of situation where it would have
Tue May 12, 2015, 05:23 PM
May 2015

been appropriate.

I know, Madison cops aren't authorized to tase without a backup, but they are authorized to shoot.

I imagine he'd have been in a peck of trouble if he'd not followed protocol. Better to murder the kid and not run afoul of procedure.

Union Label

(545 posts)
10. So how do the fucking cops in Britain control people high on drugs or alcohol without killing them?
Tue May 12, 2015, 05:28 PM
May 2015

I know for a fact theres a bunch of people that are intoxicated that don't get killed because some fucking cop wanted to try out his fucking gun.
This country needs to grow the fuck up and get away from its racist attitude.

alfredo

(60,065 posts)
14. Yes, the British police
Tue May 12, 2015, 06:04 PM
May 2015
http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-08-18/how-many-times-british-cops-fired-guns-all-last-year-3

In 2012, 409 people were shot and killed by American police in what were termed justifiable shootings. In that same year, British police officers fired their weapons just once. No one was killed.
In 2013, British police officers fired their weapons all of three times. No one died. According to The Economist, "British citizens are around 100 times less likely to be shot by a police officer than Americans. Between 2010 and 2014, the police force of one small American city — Albuquerque in New Mexico — shot and killed 23 civilians; seven times more than the number of Brits killed by all of England and Wales’s 43 forces during the same period.

The Economist argues that the reason for this disparity is actually quite simple: guns are comparatively rare in the UK. Most cops don't carry them and criminals rarely have access to them. The last time a British officer was killed by a gun was in 2012. In the US last year, 30 police officers were shot and killed in the line of duty.


How many of the US dead were unarmed?

In Iceland: http://www.pri.org/stories/2013-12-03/iceland-grieves-after-police-kill-man-first-time-its-history
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
20. Actually, 50 police were killed by guns last year, not 30.
Tue May 12, 2015, 09:31 PM
May 2015

Still far less than in the 70s, when it was well over 100. The average per year in the 2000s is half what it was in the 70s.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/12/30/373985338/report-number-of-police-officers-killed-spikes-in-2014

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
16. George II
Tue May 12, 2015, 06:14 PM
May 2015

George II


And that is MAYBE the reason you doesn't have 11.000 killed every year - because you do not have a population who is armed to the teeth with all forms of weapons - because they have corrupted 2 amendment to mean that everyone who is able to get the money can get everything under the sun - including cannons to arm them self against the intrusion from the evil government..

Other nations have a high percent of the population hunting for recration withouth that ending in ten of thousands of killed pepole every year - in some countries - like Iceland - they have had ONE kill by a police officer for the last 60 or so years! - 60 years, and police officer have not killed one sivilian before a couple of years ago - and that was like a big disaster for all on Iceland....

Maybe it is time for americans to rethink 2 admedment as it is clearly not working anymore.... Or to make federal gun laws who is strict enough to force all 50 states to do a better job screening before giving pepole acess to weapons who can kill...

Diclotican

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
21. Maybe its also time to look at crime in Iceland compared to the US.
Tue May 12, 2015, 09:39 PM
May 2015

Think there may be a huge reason for the difference right there. Matter of fact, lets compare crime here with all the countries that have a low crime rate.
Certainly guns have a hand in our troubles based on their availability. But they're HERE and making them illegal doesnt make them go away.
You mention the number of hunters in other countries. Good point. We have a lot of hunters here, too. So obviously there is some OTHER reason for the huge difference in crime between the US and Iceland. Or Norway, Switzerland, or any of the other well-armed nations with low crime.

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
23. 7962
Tue May 12, 2015, 10:58 PM
May 2015

7962

I think it is a huge difference between the crimes on Iceland - and the crimes who is happening in the US, mostly because I think the differences between rich and poor is so smaller in Iceland than in the US... And also because Iceland is a far smaller community than US - in Iceland I would say to a degree, everyone know each other - and that makes for a less willingness to do huge crimes - when everyone in the country know someone who know you... It is the same issue in Norway - specially in smaller communities - everyone know who you are - even if you do not know who they are... In the small place I grow up in - most know who, to a degree who I was - and could call home if I had being doing some mischief - with consequences when I got home..

Weapons - that be on Iceland - or in Norway are not illegal - but it is not easy to get your hands on them - if you do it legal - you have to check your records - and even take an ovulation on your mental capacities if the authorities are Norw sure if you should have a weapon or two - and then you also have to be part of a shooting club - and train regularly - and be part of that club for at least 6 mounts - and it is the police station, or the local sheriff office (for the sake of argument, it is a sheriff office, even if it is called Lennsmannskontor in Norwegian) and it is rather strict to get it - you even have to take a exam, to be able to won a weapon at all... But if you make that type of hurdles - and your mental capacity is "Okay" - then you can get a weapon - depending of your needs and your pocket - but I suspect still - you would not get excess to many of the weapons americans sees as natural to own...

For the most part, people who hunt- is really responsible gun owners - at least the ones I have known have never used weapons outside of the time when it is legal to hunt - Some of my extended family was, and are still vivid hunters - and they had some weapons in their possession - but outside of the hunting season - you would never believe they ever had any weans at all - because it was locked down in a specially container - in a specially room in the outhouse - who was closed - and the key was hidden so we kids never was able to found it - even if we had been trying - and I think we, from young age learned that weapons was not a thing to play with.....

I think it is down to one thing - GUN-CULTURE - or the total lack of it in the States case... In most other countries, who have weapons - and who hunt animals now and then - you have a whole different attitude when it comes to weapon.... You do not need to get to Europe to get a whole different culture about guns - you have just to travel to Canada - your nabour - and they have a whole different way of looking at guns as a right - or a privilige you have made yourself deserve by taking classes, getting education on and so one - most countries do not have any 2 amendment - it is a privilege to have a gun - similar to have a driving license - who are not a human right, outside of the States..

In the case of Norway - it exist between 1 and two million guns and other weapons in the country - in a population of 5 million people- but you seldom hear many got killed in Norway do you - outside of Anders Brick -who killed 80 people - and blow up most of the government offices in Oslo.... And you have to get 70 year back in time - to get anything at the same level as he did.. But then again - he Will never see the day when he is a free man either - so I guess it solve itself out somehow...

Diclotican

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
15. brooklynite
Tue May 12, 2015, 06:05 PM
May 2015

brooklynite


One can wonder how police departments overseas - in countries where the limits to use deadly force is far higher than in the US - manage at all - when they do their duty as police officers - not even with a teaser as part of the uniform... Just knowledge - and pepper spray - of course they have aces to weapons in the cars - if absolutely needed - but for the most part the use of weapons is valued far less, than the experience of a police officer, who is educated - and know how to de-excelate things rather than excelate it to the extreme - to a level where the police officer will be a judge, a jury - and the executor all in one...

I just wonder - how other nations manage their Police forces - when the use of deadly violence is limited to just a small procents of all the cases police forces do in a year

Diclotican


Response to brooklynite (Original post)

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
18. I'd go with whatever mom said
Tue May 12, 2015, 07:43 PM
May 2015

pretty much WI thru and thru no true Wisconsin cop ever would have shot the man. end of line

Lefta Dissenter

(6,617 posts)
22. No. This is Madison.
Tue May 12, 2015, 10:27 PM
May 2015

The family and friends had a press conference after the D.A. released his decision, and then a large group marched up around the Capitol to a church on the square, where more people spoke, The crowd has pretty much dispersed now, with a few lingering people.

There's a larger march planned for tomorrow.

The snipers on the roofs had nothing to do. Poor things.

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