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Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:37 AM

Attorney in Texas (3,373 posts)

Q poll: Trump, Clinton ahead in Fla., with great news for Biden

Source: Tampa Bay Times

A new swing-state poll by Quinnipiac University finds that Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Hillary Clinton are the clear winners in party primaries in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, but Vice President Joe Biden does as well as Clinton in general election matchups against Republicans.
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Clinton received support of 48 percent of Florida Democrats followed by 15 percent for Sanders and 11 percent for Biden, with 17 percent undecided. Among Republicans, Trump gets 21 percent, with 17 percent for Bush and 11 percent each for Rubio and Ben Carson. No other candidate tops 7 percent, with 8 percent undecided.
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When Florida Republicans were asked which candidate they would definitely not support, 29 percent chose Trump, 17 percent chose Bush and Rand Paul and 16 percent chose Chris Christie.

Read more: http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/q-poll-in-florida-favors-clinton-bush-but-good-news-for-biden/2242033


Florida's Ex-Gov. Bush is losing to Trump in Florida?!?

Florida Sen. Rubio cannot poll ahead of Trump, Bush, or Carson - a doctor with no political experience or any ties to Florida?!?

I guess the Florida Republicans who know Bush and Rubio best are not sold on the Bush or Rubio campaigns. This shocks me.

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Reply Q poll: Trump, Clinton ahead in Fla., with great news for Biden (Original post)
 Attorney in Texas Aug 2015 OP
LineReply If these numbers hold up it would the most massive any Party landslide in history...the political capital and
 Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #1
LineLineReply Be glad for the "populist uprising revolutionary." Without the Sanders campaign, the MSM would
 Attorney in Texas Aug 2015 #5
LineLineReply The only risk is to continue business as usual
 Red Knight Aug 2015 #6
LineLineReply It's very early - Sanders hasnt even held any rallies in FL
 Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #7
LineLineReply What numbers are you looking at?
 leftynyc Aug 2015 #9
LineLineReply "The Obama form of revolution...."
 truebluegreen Aug 2015 #12
LineLineLineNew Reply You are under a misunderstanding. Most of CU CAN be changed without a Constituional amendment.
 Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #16
LineLineLineLineNew Reply Thanks for a lecture, Fred. Got any links to back up your assertions?
 truebluegreen Aug 2015 #20
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply That is just one method, silly goose, query the legislative methods, and kindly do your own research
 Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #21
LineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Nah. I think I'll just ignore anything you have to add in the future
 truebluegreen Aug 2015 #22
LineLineNew Reply ?
 pocoloco Aug 2015 #17
LineReply Why do I not believe these numbers?
 INdemo Aug 2015 #2
LineLineReply Here is a link to the polling plus links to prior polls that corroborate this poll with similar data
 Attorney in Texas Aug 2015 #3
LineLineReply Quinnipiac has an EXCELLENT reputation
 leftynyc Aug 2015 #8
LineLineNew Reply Sample in FL has Republicans outnumbering Democrats 58% to 42%
 Godhumor Aug 2015 #14
LineLineLineNew Reply That is incredible...what were the pollsters thinking? Have they tried to justify this?
 Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #18
LineReply Great news for Hillary too!
 lunamagica Aug 2015 #4
LineReply This poll is disturbing
 Blasphemer Aug 2015 #10
LineReply The same poll has Trump beating Clinton by 3
 madville Aug 2015 #11
LineReply Why on earth these polls keep Biden as a choice? last I heard He
 bonniebgood Aug 2015 #13
LineLineNew Reply It's silly to include Biden in the poll. Even if he was going to run (and he's not) he isn't running
 Attorney in Texas Aug 2015 #23
LineNew Reply ugh
 vadermike Aug 2015 #15
LineNew Reply Bernie hasn't even visited these states yet.
 fbc Aug 2015 #19

Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:44 AM

Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)

1. If these numbers hold up it would the most massive any Party landslide in history...the political capital and

the political coattail would be....immense and long. The Obama form of revolution can continue and the tempo increased for reform, beginning with the overturning legislatively of the vile CU decision that is at the heart of the vile tactics of the GOP and their co-dependent corporate media.

Why is the Democratic Party risking all that for a populist uprising revolutionary pipe dream?

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:09 AM

Attorney in Texas (3,373 posts)

5. Be glad for the "populist uprising revolutionary." Without the Sanders campaign, the MSM would

be attacking the Democratic primary as a "coronation" which would cause the Clinton more harm than a fair debate about policies.

If the "populist uprising revolutionary" wins the primary nomination, then that is a sign that Clinton's campaign was probably not going to win the general election so no loss.

If Clinton wins (and even as a Sanders supporter, I think that this is the most likely outcome), the primary debate will make the Clinton campaign stronger for the general election.

No matter who we prefer in the primary, we should not fear or despise the primary process and we should be prepared to support our favorite Democrat in the primary and support out favorite Democrat in the general election.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:11 AM

Red Knight (704 posts)

6. The only risk is to continue business as usual

With the same corporate candidates.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:17 AM

Elmer S. E. Dump (5,751 posts)

7. It's very early - Sanders hasnt even held any rallies in FL

 

Why so impatient? Just relax....

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:20 AM

leftynyc (26,060 posts)

9. What numbers are you looking at?

 

I don't see the Democrats doing well in the general in FL in this poll. Maybe I read it wrong.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 12:07 PM

truebluegreen (9,033 posts)

12. "The Obama form of revolution...."

 




And btw, last time I checked, it would take a Supreme Court reversal or a constitutional amendment to "overturn" Citizens United so you better hope for something more revolutionary than Obama's nudging the ship of state 2 degrees in a different direction...that is, if you want results in your lifetime.

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 01:54 PM

Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)

16. You are under a misunderstanding. Most of CU CAN be changed without a Constituional amendment.

I believe Bernie Sanders has a detailed plan, including one he will introduce, not for the first time, in September....and he is not the only one with multiple doable plans... and there were even a couple of laws voted on but filibustered by the GOP....so, please, stay informed and you will stay a little less outraged.

As always the real enemy is in the other direction.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #16)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 05:34 PM

truebluegreen (9,033 posts)

20. Thanks for a lecture, Fred. Got any links to back up your assertions?

 

Because I would love to see the plan. In the meantime, here's a copy of an email from said Bernie Sanders, dated this June: (my bold)


"In this election, there's going to be a whole mess of shadowy Super PACs funded by the super wealthy for nearly every presidential candidate.

That is, everyone except for our campaign.

The Supreme Court's decisions in Citizens United and other cases opened the gates to a flood of billions of dollars that threatens to undermine our democracy.

I have led the fight to put an end to the corrupting influence of big money in our politics. What we need now is a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United.

Our democracy is not for sale. Can you sign our petition to join me in supporting a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United? Click here to add your name.
https://go.berniesanders.com/page/s/citizens-united?source=em150627a&utm_medium=email&utm_source=berniesanders&utm_campaign=citizensunited&utm_content=petition

It's not an accident that 99% of new income created in the last 5 years went to the top 1%. It’s not an accident that Republicans refuse to accept the reality of climate change. It’s not an accident that the Republican budget calls for huge tax breaks for billionaires.

The lesson here is that our political system isn't broken, it's rigged.

The laws are written by politicians to please the corporations and ultra-wealthy, who bought those politicians with hundreds of millions of dollars in political contributions.

We need a political revolution to return our government to be of the people, by the people, for the people.

It starts with taking our country's destiny out of the hands of the billionaires who want to buy this election. We must overturn Citizens United to get big money out of politics.

Click here to add your name to our petition calling for a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United.
https://go.berniesanders.com/page/s/citizens-united?source=em150627a&utm_medium=email&utm_source=berniesanders&utm_campaign=citizensunited&utm_content=petition

Thanks for your support,"

Funny, I don't see anything in there about a legislative process.
And fwiw I also agree with Dr Martin Luther King, Jr. in his views on moderates so I find your comment about enemies to be condescending, misleading and one-dimensional.

But again, thanks for the lecture: those always go a long way when trying to win friends and influence people.

p.s. your outrage-o-meter needs calibrating

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Thu Aug 20, 2015, 05:49 PM

Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)

21. That is just one method, silly goose, query the legislative methods, and kindly do your own research

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Thu Aug 20, 2015, 05:57 PM

truebluegreen (9,033 posts)

22. Nah. I think I'll just ignore anything you have to add in the future

 

since it carries so much weight. See how that works?

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Thu Aug 20, 2015, 02:00 PM

pocoloco (3,180 posts)

17. ?

 

" Clinton’s poll numbers are like a leaky faucet: drip, drip, drip. She is now getting less than half the vote in all three states’ Democratic primaries.”

You read the article?

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:44 AM

Star Member INdemo (6,980 posts)

2. Why do I not believe these numbers?

How many samples and general area wher poll was taken Attorney in Texas?

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Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:59 AM

Attorney in Texas (3,373 posts)

3. Here is a link to the polling plus links to prior polls that corroborate this poll with similar data

Here is the current Quinnipiac poll.

Here is a link to prior polls with similar results.

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Response to INdemo (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:18 AM

leftynyc (26,060 posts)

8. Quinnipiac has an EXCELLENT reputation

 

when it comes to state polls.

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Thu Aug 20, 2015, 12:27 PM

Godhumor (6,437 posts)

14. Sample in FL has Republicans outnumbering Democrats 58% to 42%

Last edited Thu Aug 20, 2015, 02:19 PM - Edit history (1)

Major criticism had come from multiple analysts that Quinnipac appears to be using a voter screen based off the Republican Tsunami mid-term, as opposed to adjusting for much higher turnout in GE years (The norm for most polling firms).

Basically, Q is assuming the Republican wave continues unabated and without slow down in 2016 against all reasonable expectations.

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Thu Aug 20, 2015, 02:07 PM

Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)

18. That is incredible...what were the pollsters thinking? Have they tried to justify this?

Because the CNN poll showed Democratic Party voter enthusiasm up sharply and Republicans flat...Very Enthusiastic for Registered Democratic Party supporter jumped from 18% to 33% since June...remarkable.

The Quinnipac Poll using more Republicans to balance out less enthusiastic Democratic voters is completely contradicted by the CNN polling on party enthusiasm.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251533443

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:05 AM

lunamagica (9,967 posts)

4. Great news for Hillary too!

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Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:31 AM

Blasphemer (3,259 posts)

10. This poll is disturbing

Rubio and Bush lag behind Trump but still beat the Democratic nominee. The crazies are out in full force in FL.

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Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:36 AM

madville (6,852 posts)

11. The same poll has Trump beating Clinton by 3

And Bush and Rubio beating Clinton by double digits in the general. Wow, that's surprising Hillary can't crack 40% in the general election matchups.

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Thu Aug 20, 2015, 12:16 PM

bonniebgood (900 posts)

13. Why on earth these polls keep Biden as a choice? last I heard He

is NOT running. Biden should stay put his day HAS passed. After all Biden and Hillary co sponsored and supported the crime bill that Bill Clinton is all of a sudden ashamed of and apologized for. MHO. As Attorney in Texas said. I will hold my nose and vote for 'the democrat" in the General if it's not Bernie.

Go Bernie Florida is waiting for you.

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Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:01 PM

Attorney in Texas (3,373 posts)

23. It's silly to include Biden in the poll. Even if he was going to run (and he's not) he isn't running

now so he is not getting any scrutiny or any attacks from the 17-person clown car or push back from Chafee etc.

Comparing Sanders' polling numbers to Biden's numbers is comparing a real campaign facing real and controversial issues (e.g., Black Lives Matter) and opposition (from various campaign surrogates) with a hypothetical campaign that does not exist and so is not confronting issues or opposition. It is like comparing Pope Francis with Santa Clause; love him or hate him or whatever, the Pope is a real person who actually exists in the world and Santa Clause isn't - just like the Biden campaign, he is a figment of imagination and myth.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 01:13 PM

vadermike (1,410 posts)

15. ugh

I don't see any good news for Dems in this poll.. talk me down.. if this is true.. we are already Toast for 2016... ugh.. but then again .. this is Q poll and they oversampled GOP massively... so who knows... but it doesnt jive with the national Cnn Poll either because if the leading candidate nationally usually they are leading the swing states .. however if this is a trend we will have an early depressing night in Nov 2016 and it wont be a Dem landslide either... it would be a GOP one.. and a trifecta... i hope these numbers are wrong!!!

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 03:50 PM

fbc (1,668 posts)

19. Bernie hasn't even visited these states yet.

 

People that hear Bernie speak become Bernie supporters.

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