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Eugene

(61,595 posts)
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:50 PM May 2016

Pakistan elders 'ordered girl's killing' in Abbottabad

Source: BBC

Police in Pakistan say village elders ordered the murder of a teenage girl because she had helped a school friend to elope.

The 16-year-old was kidnapped from her home near Abbottabad, in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, and put inside a vehicle that was set alight, police said.

Graphic images of her body have been circulated on social media.

Police say the victim's mother and the leader of the local council, or jirga, are among several people arrested.

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Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36212080



5 May 2016 Asia

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Source: DAWN



16-year-old girl set on fire as 'punishment' by Abbottabad jirga

RASHID JAVED — UPDATED ABOUT 4 HOURS AGO

ABBOTTABAD: The chilling murder of a 16-year-old girl strangled and set on fire in Galyat's Makol village has been linked to the orders given by a local jirga last week, police said Thursday.

Abbottabad police said a 15-member jirga called by the Makol village councillor Pervez ordered for the deceased, Amber, to be killed and set on fire as punishment for helping her friend escape the village to marry of her free will. Thirteen members have been arrested and due to appear before an anti-terrorism court, including the victim's mother, said police.

When the jirga ended after a six-hour meeting on April 28, the girl was taken from her home to an abandoned house where she was drugged, killed, and placed in the backseat of a parked van. The van was then doused with petrol and set on fire.

The charred body of the teenage girl was found in a torched Suzuki van in Donga Gali on Friday. Police recovered the drugs from the abandoned house near the site, as well as the can of petrol used to start the fire.

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Read more: https://www.dawn.com/news/1256448/16-year-old-girl-set-on-fire-as-punishment-by-abbottabad-jirga
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Pakistan elders 'ordered girl's killing' in Abbottabad (Original Post) Eugene May 2016 OP
.... 840high May 2016 #1
Can you imagine the terror she must have experienced when she was placed in the Akicita May 2016 #2
this is beyond comprehension. All those who tacitly support this way of thinking are soaked in the MariaThinks May 2016 #11
Had the West and especially the United States not muddled in their affairs StarTrombone May 2016 #3
Yes, the US forced them to kill teenage girls.....?! WTF? EX500rider May 2016 #4
Yes. There's no doubt that the blame for the death of this young woman can be Akicita May 2016 #5
You forgot the sarcasm thingy. nt Mosby May 2016 #6
Either you forget the sarcasm leftynyc May 2016 #8
do you know anything of their history or did you forget the 'sarcasm tag'? MariaThinks May 2016 #13
You would think that some posts are so obvious that the sarcasm tag is redundant. Akicita May 2016 #19
You would think StarTrombone May 2016 #31
Unfortunately there are some who would post that seriously... EX500rider May 2016 #33
there are people who think like that in reality MariaThinks May 2016 #35
Low-count Posters such as yourself would be well advised NOT to assume that maxsolomon May 2016 #37
Poe's law... TipTok May 2016 #20
The victim's MOTHER was leftynyc May 2016 #7
Some people would say you are a bigoted racist for calling them animals. Akicita May 2016 #21
I stopped caring about crap leftynyc May 2016 #24
Good for you. Akicita May 2016 #27
yes, because the mother believes she is going to heaven and by killing her daughter MariaThinks May 2016 #36
Boggles the mind leftynyc May 2016 #43
Acculturated mothers whose brains are in chains. Consider... Hekate May 2016 #40
Humans are a depraved, evil species. tabasco May 2016 #9
it's not humans. It is the culture of that country. MariaThinks May 2016 #14
And unfortunately that culture is moving to Europe unless they can control the migration enough Akicita May 2016 #23
Many are. Many others are kind, decent, caring people. There are good people and evil Akicita May 2016 #16
We have overpopulated the planet like rats and destroyed many thousands of species tabasco May 2016 #28
Take a pill and relax. Akicita May 2016 #29
I prefer harsh reality to drug-induced euphoria. tabasco May 2016 #41
All pit-bulls are evil dangerous animals StarTrombone May 2016 #32
And they call us... ReRe May 2016 #10
political correctness. People will not come out and say that this crime MariaThinks May 2016 #15
If you want to know the truth... ReRe May 2016 #18
how do you stop the killing without actually understanding and removing the causes? MariaThinks May 2016 #34
Think outside of the box, Maria ReRe May 2016 #38
Why does the world hate women? nt valerief May 2016 #12
The world does not hate women. Some primitive cultures subjugate women so that the men who are in Akicita May 2016 #17
+1 TipTok May 2016 #22
A better question is, why do Islamic extremists belief that women should be murdered Nye Bevan May 2016 #26
This poor girl was the victim of people with disgusting and barbaric religious beliefs. Nye Bevan May 2016 #25
Barbarians CanonRay May 2016 #30
Barbaric pigs. smirkymonkey May 2016 #39
There's something very insidious in the minds of these people. romanic May 2016 #42

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
2. Can you imagine the terror she must have experienced when she was placed in the
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:59 PM
May 2016

car and the car was set on fire? What a horrific way to be killed.

The Europeans must be thanking their lucky stars that most of the refugees streaming in are young men of military age. Not that many elders.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
11. this is beyond comprehension. All those who tacitly support this way of thinking are soaked in the
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:40 PM
May 2016

blood of innocent people.

elders - young - they have the same cultural way of thinking.

 

StarTrombone

(188 posts)
3. Had the West and especially the United States not muddled in their affairs
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:00 PM
May 2016

This kind of crap wouldn't be happening.

Can you blame them?

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
5. Yes. There's no doubt that the blame for the death of this young woman can be
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:05 PM
May 2016

squarely placed at our own feet. Imperialism and all that.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
13. do you know anything of their history or did you forget the 'sarcasm tag'?
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:41 PM
May 2016

either way, I'm grieving for the girl that was murdered. are you?

maxsolomon

(32,992 posts)
37. Low-count Posters such as yourself would be well advised NOT to assume that
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:22 PM
May 2016

super easy to add : just : sarcasm :, but no spaces.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
7. The victim's MOTHER was
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:22 PM
May 2016

involved in this barbarity? Is there any prayer these animals will get what's coming to them or will they quietly be let out of prison by some asshole judge who thinks she had it coming? What kind of fucking culture thinks this is appropriate? One that belongs in the dustbin of history so we can all crap on it.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
24. I stopped caring about crap
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:12 PM
May 2016

like that long ago. Them not wanting to face what's right in front of them is entirely their problem.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
36. yes, because the mother believes she is going to heaven and by killing her daughter
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:17 PM
May 2016

the daughter is being saved

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
40. Acculturated mothers whose brains are in chains. Consider...
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:26 PM
May 2016

It was the mothers who bound the feet of their little daughters in China, bending and breaking the bones, to make them sexually attractive and marriageable.

It is the mothers in Africa even today who send their young daughters to experience the removal of their exterior genitalia (FGM) without anesthesia, to keep them pure for marriage and make sure they never stray.

How do things ever change?

The only instance of such a heinous practice being completely wiped out I know of is China, which at a certain level of society was already in transition away from footbinding due to the schools run by Christian missionaries. What made it a reality for all girls was the Communist Revolution, which outlawed the practice and enforced it at gunpoint in village by village inspections.

Change comes with political will and a profound change in the status of women. Human rights are women's rights, and women's rights are human rights.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
9. Humans are a depraved, evil species.
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:23 PM
May 2016

The world will be better when aliens implement the Screwfly Solution.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
23. And unfortunately that culture is moving to Europe unless they can control the migration enough
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:11 PM
May 2016

to allow for assimilation to European values. In my opinion, they don't have the stomach to do that. I think Europe is screwed.

We do a much better job of assimilating refugees and migrants to our culture here in the US. We need to be vigilant that we keep that up.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
16. Many are. Many others are kind, decent, caring people. There are good people and evil
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:57 PM
May 2016

people in all cultures around the world. There is a struggle between good vs. evil going on now as always. We can help make a difference by supporting the good and opposing evil. That would be a lot more productive than just wishing for aliens to implement the Screwfly Solution.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
28. We have overpopulated the planet like rats and destroyed many thousands of species
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:44 PM
May 2016

and used our technology to build devices capable of destroying all life on the planet.

Screwfly or superflu is the only hope for this biosphere.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
10. And they call us...
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:29 PM
May 2016

... infidels (of no religious belief.) What kind of effing belief is it that we all call ourselves and defend?? Is our "God" better than their "God?" When our bombs and drones and artillery kill innocents, our "God" is no better.

Seriously. What kind of effing Gods are humans worshiping these days?

I think "God" is man's excuse to take another person's life! They kill indiscriminately, and then say "God made me do it." or "God told me it was alright. or "God said so." We are no better than our so-called enemies. A bunch of GD heathens.

All of us human beings, the world over, need to stop the killing.

Someone tell me... W T F are we fighting for? Why fight? Why kill?

WhyTF even LIVE? Do we live just to be used and killed?

Someone please tell me... I'm having a breakdown here! WHY?

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
15. political correctness. People will not come out and say that this crime
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:42 PM
May 2016

was caused by the muslim/Islamic culture in Pakistan.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
18. If you want to know the truth...
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:06 PM
May 2016

... the first thing that popped into my head while ago was this:

Stay away from Pakistan!

And if one is a Pakastani, he too could say "Stay away from America!"

It doesn't matter where one is from. We're all on the same planet. Stop the effing killing.

Eff politics!

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
38. Think outside of the box, Maria
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:45 PM
May 2016

You just quit. Call a world-wide truce and shut down the weapon manufacturers. That's what you do. And if it throws millions of people out of work, then so effing be it. Shame on us all for buying into the MIC and taking those God-forsaking jobs that support killing all over the GD world. It's far past time for everyone to wake up from their fundamentalist evangelical trance and realize what they have done, propping up the MIC. Onward Christian Soldier, my ass. We've been killing the environment, wildlife and human beings for so long we think it's NORMAL. It's not normal. We can not call ourselves civilized if we continue on into perpetuity with this zeal for death and destruction.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
17. The world does not hate women. Some primitive cultures subjugate women so that the men who are in
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:01 PM
May 2016

power stay in power. They invent religious doctrine to further this end.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
26. A better question is, why do Islamic extremists belief that women should be murdered
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:13 PM
May 2016

for this kind of thing?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
25. This poor girl was the victim of people with disgusting and barbaric religious beliefs.
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:12 PM
May 2016

Absolutely horrible.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
39. Barbaric pigs.
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:51 PM
May 2016

They deserve the same fate as their innocent victim. Of course, this is Pakistan so they will get off with a slap on the wrist and probably do it again.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
42. There's something very insidious in the minds of these people.
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:18 AM
May 2016

Do they really believe killing thier own daughters in hideous ways will bring them closet to "Allah"?

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