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KatyBR

(183 posts)
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 06:34 PM Dec 2016

Trump Objects to Stein's Presidential Recount

Source: Detroit News

<snip>
Trump’s 36-page objection asks the Board of State Canvassers to reject the recount on grounds that the statewide recount would be costly to taxpayers to complete facing a Dec. 13 deadline and that it likely won’t change the election’s outcome. Secretary of State Ruth Johnson has estimated the total cost at $5 million, with the state and counties picking up $4 million of the tab and Stein about $970,000.

Trump won by 10,704 votes over Democrat Hillary Clinton, getting 2.27 million votes, or 47.5 percent, of the vote to the former secretary of state’s 2.26 million votes, or 47.27 percent. Stein received 51,463 votes, or about 1.1 percent.

The Board of State Canvassers, a panel of two Republicans and two Democrats, has scheduled a 9:30 a.m. Friday hearing at the Lansing Center for the Trump campaign’s appeal.

Read more: http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/01/recount-objection/94734556/



What's he hiding? i.e., what is he afraid of?
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Trump Objects to Stein's Presidential Recount (Original Post) KatyBR Dec 2016 OP
Yes, he is hiding something bucolic_frolic Dec 2016 #1
To be fair.... Plucketeer Dec 2016 #4
Trump is publicly admitting he rigged the election. lagomorph777 Dec 2016 #36
Costly to taxpayers? JonLP24 Dec 2016 #2
Exactly!!!!! DK504 Dec 2016 #7
Stein is only paying a fraction of the cost. MichMan Dec 2016 #32
He's concerned about costs to taxpayers? Retrograde Dec 2016 #3
It is going to cost my local government thousands of $$$ MichMan Dec 2016 #34
The Board Will Stop The Recount SoCalMusicLover Dec 2016 #5
I agree that there is a high likelihood that that is how it will go down jimlup Dec 2016 #6
They need a 3 to 1 vote to shut it down. It is up to one Democrat at this point. riversedge Dec 2016 #23
If he was interested in taxpayers MFM008 Dec 2016 #8
Yup. He's freaking out. Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #9
Trump files objection to Jill Stein-led election recount in Michigan mitty14u2 Dec 2016 #10
It is not "lawless". She is fully within the law to request the recount. CousinIT Dec 2016 #17
I object to Trump's continued waste of oxygen. 11 Bravo Dec 2016 #11
Trump is a phony, a fraud mitty14u2 Dec 2016 #13
He's afraid of losing the presidency if his election rigging is uncovered. milestogo Dec 2016 #12
Steve Kornacki just reported on MSNBC that the PA vote count difference between Trump and Hillary mitty14u2 Dec 2016 #14
It "likely won't change the outcome"? Maybe we should have declared Clinton to be... George II Dec 2016 #15
Hey dumpster FU and the horse you road in on turbinetree Dec 2016 #16
Geeeeee, I wonder why ??? ???? Coyotl Dec 2016 #18
He is right! Now if someone had claimed that whistler162 Dec 2016 #19
But wait!!! Trump said there was massive voter fraud just recently so is he walking back that claim? cstanleytech Dec 2016 #20
What are chances of Trump blocking recount? Satch59 Dec 2016 #21
LoL world wide wally Dec 2016 #24
What does Wisconsin have to do with any of this??? smh MichMan Dec 2016 #33
I was thinking of Scott Walker, but I guess Snyder is better world wide wally Dec 2016 #35
" It would take a 3-1 vote by the evenly divided board of two Democrats and two Republicans to stop riversedge Dec 2016 #22
Well that's good news?? Satch59 Dec 2016 #25
Based on your information angrychair Dec 2016 #28
Bradshaw Was Appointed By A Republican Governor SoCalMusicLover Dec 2016 #30
Trump said himself that the election was rigged.....I believe him. W T F Dec 2016 #26
Yup, he ought to know lagomorph777 Dec 2016 #37
If he won fair and square he should support the recount unless he's knows the fix was in for him. kimbutgar Dec 2016 #27
Another bottle of Valerian Root here, thank you! anamandujano Dec 2016 #29
Read This: hollowdweller Dec 2016 #31
Trump files lawsuit to block Michigan recount JonLP24 Dec 2016 #38

bucolic_frolic

(42,672 posts)
1. Yes, he is hiding something
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 06:37 PM
Dec 2016

vote flipping, choke point sleight-of-hand, double errors, hackings,
electronic pinpointing ... something's happened that the light of day
might uncover

Hope the authorities won't be hoodwinked.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
36. Trump is publicly admitting he rigged the election.
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 10:26 AM
Dec 2016

There is no other reasonable interpretation of his move. Even if he technically gets away with it, he has just cast a very dark shadow of illegitimacy on his reign.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
7. Exactly!!!!!
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 06:58 PM
Dec 2016

Stien has said she would pay for the recounts....what is this garbage about ?? He's not going to pay for anything, it's why she was so successful at raising money. I think if she asks again she'll get even more.

However, those that gave away the protest vote to the other two.... I am very disappointed they didn't listen to Bernie when he endorsed Hillary.

MichMan

(11,787 posts)
32. Stein is only paying a fraction of the cost.
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 08:19 AM
Dec 2016

According to the recount statute, the cost to Stein is a fixed amount of just under 1 million$$. According to the Michigan Secretary of State, costs are estimated to be several times what Stein is paying making the individual counties responsible for paying the extra costs.

A lot of people in Michigan are angry that this will cost taxpayers several million when Stein only got 1% of the vote. The question behind the appeal by Trump supporters is that since Stein has no chance of the recount affecting her vote totals, does she even have standing to demand the recount in the first place?

This is why Hillary should have been the one requesting the recounts

Retrograde

(10,069 posts)
3. He's concerned about costs to taxpayers?
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 06:41 PM
Dec 2016

Like the - what is it? A million a day? - costs for him to run his transition in his Fortress of Solitude in Manhattan instead of government-provided offices in DC?

MichMan

(11,787 posts)
34. It is going to cost my local government thousands of $$$
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 08:40 AM
Dec 2016

In my rural county in Michigan Stein had < 1% of the vote. Very red part of the state every election and under 20K in number of people voting.

Trump 71%
Clinton 24%
Johnson 3.5 %
Stein 0.9 %
Castle 0.5%
Soltysik 0.03%


Stein is only paying a fraction of the costs, making it the responsibility of the individual counties to make up the difference.

Stein's folly of a publicity grab is going to cost our county thousands of dollars in recounting costs. Guess I can curse Stein & the Green Party every time I hit the pothole on my road that won't get filled now.

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
5. The Board Will Stop The Recount
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 06:50 PM
Dec 2016

These things rarely go in our favor. All they really need to do is delay things, as the media has already moved on.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
6. I agree that there is a high likelihood that that is how it will go down
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 06:54 PM
Dec 2016

Having been a MI precinct captain in past elections (2000). I actually doubt that there is machine tampering in MI but I suppose that it is possible. More likely would be precinct level tally tampering.

MFM008

(19,776 posts)
8. If he was interested in taxpayers
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 07:00 PM
Dec 2016

He would stop forcing the Secret service to pay for his dumb ass with all the security.

mitty14u2

(1,015 posts)
10. Trump files objection to Jill Stein-led election recount in Michigan
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 07:20 PM
Dec 2016


President-elect’s attorneys claim Stein is not entitled to a recount and describe Green party candidate’s actions as creating an ‘electoral farce’

Donald Trump asked the state of Michigan on Thursday to reject Jill Stein’s request for a recount of the presidential election.
Attorneys for the US president-elect argued in a filing to Michigan election officials that Stein was not entitled to the recount and that it could not be completed in time before the state must cast its electoral college votes.

“Michigan should not grant this lawless, insulting request, and its voters should not risk having the Electoral College door knocked off its hinges, all because a one-percent candidate is dissatisfied with the election’s outcome,” Trump’s filing said.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/01/donald-trump-michigan-recount-objection

Trump’s filing said. PDF Link http://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/Objection_to_Recount_Petition_544089_7.pdf

Michigan Corrupt, Republican Run, Russian hacks, Just Trust Trump, No F'ing Way!

CousinIT

(9,151 posts)
17. It is not "lawless". She is fully within the law to request the recount.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 08:16 PM
Dec 2016

Nor is it "insulting" -- unless you're "insulted" by representative gov't.

mitty14u2

(1,015 posts)
14. Steve Kornacki just reported on MSNBC that the PA vote count difference between Trump and Hillary
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 07:37 PM
Dec 2016


just dropped from approximately 70K in favor of Trump down to 46,978 before the recount even starts. Apparently there were some votes in Philadelphia that had not been counted and certified and those votes came in this morning resulting in the update. A reduction of approx 23,022 votes just as the recount is ramping up. Interesting that we hadn't heard about these outstanding votes previous and they just wiped out more than a third of Trumps lead in the state. Hmmmmm!!!!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512636878#post21

George II

(67,782 posts)
15. It "likely won't change the outcome"? Maybe we should have declared Clinton to be...
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 07:50 PM
Dec 2016

....the President-elect back in September, since that that time it looked like holding the November election "likely wouldn't change the outcome"?

turbinetree

(24,632 posts)
16. Hey dumpster FU and the horse you road in on
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 08:12 PM
Dec 2016

this is a democracy dick**** and you can't just be selective in your whining, if someone believes that something is wrong in the vote count the citizens of this country, the citizens are DEPUTIZED to find out what it is during an election in any state, they can demand this action and demand answers, this isn't like some job or corporation being run by corporate dictator where-bye people have no say in your world of illusion, we do have a say.

So when you sit on your golden throne in your bathroom tower of babel, and tweet and then try to figure out how to wipe your right wing a**, with your version of the Constitution, remember there are more than 2.5 million in more the POPULAR VOTE over your sorry a** and your objections of citizens wanting some f***ing answers--------------------so in other words for a serial predator get over it, we want some answers, we have already seen your side and it's nothing more than a con and scam.


So in closing with this rant have you found the horse yet


 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
19. He is right! Now if someone had claimed that
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 08:43 PM
Dec 2016

millions of voters voted illegally then the recount should go forward. Since that ??never?? happened it shouldn't!


YES THIS IS SARCASM!!!!!

MichMan

(11,787 posts)
33. What does Wisconsin have to do with any of this??? smh
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 08:21 AM
Dec 2016

Note: Michigan & Wisconsin are not the same state

riversedge

(69,721 posts)
22. " It would take a 3-1 vote by the evenly divided board of two Democrats and two Republicans to stop
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 09:13 PM
Dec 2016

Looks like it is up to one Democrat at this point?
I looked her up--see below.

Read more: http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/01/recount-objection/94734556/

................It would take a 3-1 vote by the evenly divided board of two Democrats and two Republicans to stop the recount.

But the elections panel, which has scheduled a 9:30 a.m. Friday hearing in Lansing on Trump’s objection, has a long history of deadlocking on highly partisan issues. A 2-2 deadlock vote would cause the recount to go forward after two business days, likely starting Wednesday.

Democrat Julie Matuzak supported the recount at a Monday canvassers meeting and said Thursday it should go forward.

“I didn’t see anything in Mr. Trump’s response that would make me change my mind,” Matuzak told The Detroit News. “In my opinion, (Stein) has met the qualifications for asking for the recount.”

Jeanette Bradshaw, the other Democrat on the panel, did not express an opinion about the recount at Monday’s meeting and could not be reached Thursday for comment...........................





Snyder makes appointment, reappointment to Board of State Canvassers

http://www.michigan.gov/snyder/0,4668,7-277-57577_57657_59871-293813--,00.html
Monday, January 28, 2013

LANSING, Mich. - Gov. Rick Snyder today announced the appointment of Jeanette Bradshaw, of Ortonville, and the reappointment of Colleen Pero, of Laingsburg, to the Board of State Canvassers.

Created by the state Constitution of 1850, the board oversees the canvassing and certifying of statewide elections, adopting of ballot language for statewide ballot proposals and other tasks. The four-person panel is made up of two representatives from the two main political parties.





Bradshaw is recording secretary and registrar for International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 58 in Detroit. She is a Michigan Democratic State Central Committee nominee, and replaces James Waters.


 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
30. Bradshaw Was Appointed By A Republican Governor
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 09:53 PM
Dec 2016

Where do her loyalties lie?

If there was seriously a conspiracy or fraud committed, then I know which way she will vote.

I think if this recount is prevented, it is proof that we have lost control of this country, and more importantly, that our vote is irrelevant. I don't really care to hear about how we should try to take things back in 2018 & 2020, when there is a legitimate question as to whether the election is rigged, hacked, and fraudulent.

If there is no recount in Michigan, any already low chance Hillary might have, is gone completely. She may as well have lost Michigan by 20% rather than 1%. That's all the proof I need to know what I've thought since December 2000. Many would say that our government is corrupt, but have we any idea how corrupt? Too unbelievable to talk about out loud, without being ridiculed, put away, or perhaps worse.

kimbutgar

(20,879 posts)
27. If he won fair and square he should support the recount unless he's knows the fix was in for him.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 09:33 PM
Dec 2016

But if the votes goes against him we should have a national day of resistance to have the votes counted.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
38. Trump files lawsuit to block Michigan recount
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 07:39 PM
Dec 2016

LANSING -- President-elect Donald Trump filed a lawsuit Friday in the Michigan Court of Appeals, seeking to block a recount of Michigan's presidential vote, hours after a deadlocked State Board of Canvassers gave the green light for the recount to start as early as Tuesday, but more likely on Wednesday.

Trump's court action followed a similar suit filed Friday morning by Republican Attorney General Bill Schuette, who asked the Court of Appeals to send his case directly to the Michigan Supreme Court, to expedite the appeal process.

Trump, through Lansing attorneys Gary Gordon and John Pirich and other attorneys, said Green Party candidate Jill Stein's petition for a recount is technically deficient and because she received only 1.07% of the vote in Michigan, she "has no possible opportunity to earn Michigan's electoral votes or become president," but "seeks to thrust a costly and time-consuming recount upon Michigan citizens."

"Stein urges the board to expend tens of millions of dollars on a wild goose chase that even Stein cannot identify," the lawsuit alleges.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/02/trump-fileslawsuit-block-michigan-recount/94830054/?hootPostID=63dc9b022b720790bff03f8a8f7eadcf

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