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Fri Sep 15, 2017, 12:40 PM

Christians in U.S. Military Serve Satan If They Tolerate Other Religions, Air Force Chaplain Says

Source: Newsweek

A U.S. Air Force chaplain who ministers to thousands of men and women at an Ohio base is asserting that Christians in the U.S. Armed Forces “serve Satan” and are “grossly in error” if they support service members' right to practice other faiths.

In an article posted on BarbWire.com three days ago, Captain Sonny Hernandez, an Air Force Reserve chaplain for the 445th Airlift Wing at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, criticized Christian service members who rely on the Constitution “and not Christ.”

He wrote: “Counterfeit Christians in the Armed forces will appeal to the Constitution, and not Christ, and they have no local church home—which means they have no accountability for their souls (Heb. 13:17). This is why so many professing Christian service members will say: 'We ‘support everyone’s right’ to practice their faith regardless if they worship a god different from ours because the Constitution protects this right.”

Hernandez continued: “Christian service members who openly profess and support the rights of Muslims, Buddhists, and all other anti-Christian worldviews to practice their religions—because the language in the Constitution permits—are grossly in error, and deceived.”

Read more: http://www.newsweek.com/chaplain-urges-service-members-reject-religious-tolerance-665614?utm_campaign=NewsweekTwitter&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social

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Reply Christians in U.S. Military Serve Satan If They Tolerate Other Religions, Air Force Chaplain Says (Original post)
demmiblue Sep 2017 OP
Kingofalldems Sep 2017 #1
DinahMoeHum Sep 2017 #3
Sanity Claws Sep 2017 #5
yardwork Sep 2017 #60
elleng Sep 2017 #2
mpcamb Sep 2017 #62
Phoenix61 Sep 2017 #4
sarisataka Sep 2017 #6
Zorro Sep 2017 #7
hamsterjill Sep 2017 #8
maxsolomon Sep 2017 #9
weissmam Sep 2017 #10
Not Ruth Sep 2017 #11
Kleveland Sep 2017 #12
NCjack Sep 2017 #13
genxlib Sep 2017 #14
LudwigPastorius Sep 2017 #15
sarge43 Sep 2017 #53
chowder66 Sep 2017 #16
Grins Sep 2017 #17
atreides1 Sep 2017 #26
JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2017 #36
TomSlick Sep 2017 #47
gtar100 Sep 2017 #18
MrScorpio Sep 2017 #19
Shrike47 Sep 2017 #20
Zorro Sep 2017 #21
sakabatou Sep 2017 #49
CanonRay Sep 2017 #22
lunasun Sep 2017 #23
Initech Sep 2017 #24
keithbvadu2 Sep 2017 #25
shenmue Sep 2017 #27
muntrv Sep 2017 #28
DonCoquixote Sep 2017 #29
Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #30
niyad Sep 2017 #31
woodsprite Sep 2017 #32
kwassa Sep 2017 #33
HAB911 Sep 2017 #34
democrank Sep 2017 #35
ThoughtCriminal Sep 2017 #37
pansypoo53219 Sep 2017 #38
marked50 Sep 2017 #39
asiliveandbreathe Sep 2017 #55
LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #40
riversedge Sep 2017 #41
Angry Dragon Sep 2017 #42
FiveGoodMen Sep 2017 #43
turbinetree Sep 2017 #44
turbinetree Sep 2017 #45
wolfie001 Sep 2017 #46
jmowreader Sep 2017 #48
dalton99a Sep 2017 #56
xor Sep 2017 #50
brooklynite Sep 2017 #51
Achilleaze Sep 2017 #52
dalton99a Sep 2017 #54
maxrandb Sep 2017 #57
dalton99a Sep 2017 #58
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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 12:42 PM

1. He needs a quick discharge.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 12:44 PM

3. The "other than honorable" kind.

n/t

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 12:46 PM

5. Exactly

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #1)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 01:10 PM

60. Correct. He's violating his oath to uphold the Constitution.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 12:42 PM

2. Get him OUT,

he has no business there.

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Response to elleng (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 08:24 PM

62. Might be good to remind him what he signed on for...

Don't know what it was, but it wasn't this OT line of reasoning.

That's a book that you can make sound like whatever you want to.

Hmm... very useful from the pupit or your favorite radio station.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 12:46 PM

4. Well, that's one way to make sure you

don't get deployed. A little drastic but probably effective.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 12:47 PM

6. It would've been easier

To just resign his commission

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 12:49 PM

7. I might be mistaken

but it sounds as if Sonny is the one who serves Satan.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 12:50 PM

8. Disgusting.

Assholes like this don't belong amongst heroes. Get rid of him.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 12:52 PM

9. He'll probably be invited to the National Prayer Breakfast now.

How utterly ignorant and offensive. Ugh, Christian Supremacists.

BTW, Chaplain, Buddhism likely influenced Jesus' worldview, since it proceeded him by 500 years. There's nothing anti-Christian about it.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 12:52 PM

10. the next sentence should read

Former U.S. Air Force Chaplain - what complete ass--hole and a slap in the face to 100,000s of men and women of other faiths that have served and will serve -

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 12:53 PM

11. Christians in the US Military

 

A recipe for trouble

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:02 PM

12. I know an ex-Air Force person...

Of fairly high rank.

He told us that the Air Force is chock full of personnel who are just like this guy.

Born Again, Evangelical narrow minded white Christian God-before-everything types.

I find that attitude very very disturbing, but hey, what else is new in the US?

I cannot help but ponder what would happen to these individuals, if somehow it was clear to them beyond a doubt that their God did not exist, and in fact was completely a creation of man.

I also cannot help but wonder how they can be so ignorant about reality on this planet, where there are religions like Hinduism that were well established thousands of years before Christ.

Oh, I forgot, creation is only 6,000 years old, so that is "fake news".

If only the good people of this earth could just leave all of this nonsense, hatred and disunity behind, and truly work for a better world for all, now.

This farcical pie-in-the-sky model sure is not working.

The wisdom of Tito (Terry) Francona, the coach of the fabulous Cleveland Indians, would go far in this world.

He basically always states that he coaches the team to not worry about the next game, they are here to play and win now.
The players always say this in interviews, and they are surely a marvelous team to know and watch.









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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:05 PM

13. Captain Sonny Hernandez apparently doesn't know that President Trump is

an unrepentant whoremonger, and -- read your Bible, Captain -- that puts America's security at risk.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:09 PM

14. The Air Force Academy

Has a history of this kind of BS. Would not be surprising if he is a product?

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:16 PM

15. Captain Hernandez has broken his oath of office supporting the Constitution.


Next stop: civilian life.

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Response to LudwigPastorius (Reply #15)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 11:17 AM

53. This. n/t

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:16 PM

16. The service members should chant in unison "Praise Satan" just to watch his head explode. nt

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:19 PM

17. The "Constitution" you say....

“Counterfeit Christians in the Armed forces will appeal to the Constitution, and not Christ..."

To which they swore an oath to uphold! I served as an officer in the Army and never met a Chaplain like this. Ever!

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #26)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:08 PM

36. Colorado Springs seems to be a hotbed of radical Christian churches.

I don't know what the church environment is like around West Point or Annapolis.

My Army chaplain was kept things generic and low-key, but that was fifty years ago.

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #26)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 09:14 PM

47. I was an officer in the US Army.

In 27 years of service, I never met a chaplain like this AND do not believe it would be tolerated.

Somebody watching this story should tell us how long the good chaplain continues to be a USAF officer.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:19 PM

18. That sad, little man.

Not that he ever would but I'd suggest that he get out into the world a little more, meet more people, read more books, study other religions and philosophies (since that seems to be his thing) and learn the histories of at least the major religions (for example, the writings of Huston Smith). This meme in Christianity about all other religions being "of Satan" is a little worn out in today's inter-connected world. Sadly, it still scares a lot of people and I've no doubt he likes that little power trip.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:29 PM

19. That nut job has no place being in uniform

That's not The oath he took as an officer either

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:32 PM

20. The article is quite frightening.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:32 PM

21. And once he's removed from his position

he'll be making the rounds complaining that he's been persecuted for his religious beliefs.

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Response to Zorro (Reply #21)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 09:45 PM

49. Yep, I'm sure he'll be on Fox News

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:41 PM

22. The Air Force is sure full of these types

I think it is as a result of the conjunction of the Academy and Colorado Springs. I guess he forgot he swore an oath to uphold the constitution and not to uphold the Bible.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:52 PM

23. Air Force academy equal planes + Jesus

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:59 PM

24. More of that old fashioned Christian tolerance we hear so much about!

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:59 PM

25. Counterfeit Christians..." he says

Many Protestants and Catholics consider the other to be false Christians.

He does not even have to consider other religions concerning his personal beliefs.

So much for the Judeo-Christian theory of our country's heritage?

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 02:03 PM

27. He can go fuck himself

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 02:07 PM

28. So, in WWII, Hernandez would have sided with Hitler?

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 02:10 PM

29. This bastard just spat on many of the grave in Arlington

many of which have stars of David or Crescents on them instead of crosses.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 02:11 PM

30. OMG! Religion truly is a mental illness.

Either that, or an inherent flaw in the human brain. If the latter then there's little hope that mankind will survive long enough to evolve beyond it.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 02:33 PM

31. there are wayyyyyy too many of these christofascist assholes in positions of authority

or command in the military. they need to be GONE.

Calling Michael Newdow

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 02:36 PM

32. This guy needs to be fired. n/t

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 02:47 PM

33. well, they serve Satan if they work for Trump ....

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:00 PM

34. He's not wrong.

The U.S. military, which defends pride, material success, carnal indulgence, and individual freedom, is The Great Satan.


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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:01 PM

35. What the H-E-double L kind of "chaplain" is he?

Get rid of him.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:12 PM

37. Oath on Enlistment

"I, (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;..."

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:37 PM

38. sharia lawish. a rose is a rose. flip side of the religion fundamentalists.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:43 PM

39. Mikey Weinstein

has been fighting this stuff in the Air Force for some time.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/air-force-sued-over-religion/

He started the following website for this purpose:

https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org

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Response to marked50 (Reply #39)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 11:35 AM

55. You dear marked50, spot on..Mikey Weinstein has been fighting

for years - exactly...

From his website...MRFF -

Mikey Weinstein is the undisputed leader of the national movement to restore the obliterated wall separating church and state in the most technologically lethal organization ever created by humankind: the United States armed forces.

When you do look him up there are so many hateful op-eds against him..and of course..coming in from the real xtians - don'tcha know..

Pathetic - this so called chaplain needs to be dismissed....

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:48 PM

40. So he is saying..

They should disavow the Constitution they have sworn an oath to protect,
and to not only believe in his invisible friend exclusively, but to also not tolerate any others from having their own invisible friends. And if you do tolerate this, you are in bed with his invisible monster.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:54 PM

41. **says the # of complaints have DOUBLED since trumps election!!...




.....MRFF founder Michael Weinstein, a retired Air Force officer, says the article is evidence of the trickle-down effect of President Donald Trump's relationship with the far fringes of the Christian right.

"America’s military members look to the president for direction and inspiration," Weinstein said. "Trump’s statements and actions have fully endorsed and validated this unbridled tidal wave of fundamentalist Christian persecution, which is now more inextricably intertwined into the very fabric of our Department of Defense than ever before."

Earlier this year, the MRFF told Newsweek that the number of complaints it has received from servicemen and -women in the Army, Air Force, Marines and other branches has doubled since Trump’s election.


Many of the recent charges are coming from members of minority religions, including Roman Catholics, Jews and Muslims, and from atheists. Among the complaints: military family and marital therapy programs are being infused with Protestant Christianity, which would violate the U.S. Constitution; open anti-Semitism; anti-LGBT statements, posters, symbols and bullying; openly anti-Muslim teachers and Islamophobic attacks; a rise in on-base evangelizing; and increased pressure on recruits or lower-level personnel and service members to convert to fundamentalist Christianity.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 05:37 PM

42. DOWN WITH GOD!!

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 05:59 PM

43. The fact that we, in a secular society, let people hold important government/military jobs...

...while saying shit like this, is unacceptable.

If this chaplain had said something like "black people are no good and don't belong in the army" he'd be canned.

And he should also lose his job for the statement he DID make.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 06:19 PM

45. He should be f*cking Fired

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 06:48 PM

46. Captain Sonny Hernandez..........

.....is a piece of shit!!! Good night

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 09:40 PM

48. Here's the article. It's worse than you think.

http://barbwire.com/2017/09/12/christian-service-members-avoid-supporting-accommodating-evil/

I think this chaplain wants to be the next Gordon Klingenschmitt.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #48)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 11:44 AM

56. "Do you appeal to the Holy Scripture, or the US Constitution as an ultimate standard?"

The asshole is a clear public menace, and yes, he's got higher ambitions




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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 11:11 AM

50. Bye-bye, Captain.

I can't see this being tolerated by an officer or someone who has much sway over people as a chaplain.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 11:15 AM

51. So, Jared Kushner won't be signing up?

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 11:16 AM

52. Out out, damn christofascist

This is America. The freaking Pilgrims came here to escape the freaking chistofascists of Europe. Get a freaking clue about E Pluribus Unum. And resign immediately. You have disgraced yourself and the Air Force.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 11:31 AM

54. NEXT: REAL Christians Serve Satan If They Tolerate Other Christian Brands

Accept no substitutes

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 11:47 AM

57. Dude! Just Resign your Commission if you no longer want to serve

There's no need to go through the whole Summary, General Court Martial process.

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Response to maxrandb (Reply #57)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 11:52 AM

58. He's using his position as a springboard for political office

and other money-making opportunities

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 12:39 PM

59. If he wants to see someone who is serving Satan all he has to do is look in a mirror.

Why does the Air Force tolerate this shit?

Seems to me the devil did take Sonny Hernandez up to the parapet of the temple, and that he failed the test. Those weren't the wigs of heavenly angels carrying him down.

Matthew 4:5

A lot of these Air Force jocks do fail that test.

If it were up to me, I'd severely prune back the entire military industrial complex, and then I'd dissolve the Air Force back into the Army, Navy, Marines, and Coast Guard, leaving out all the self-proclaimed right wing Christian nut jobs.

Guys like Hernandez and the higher ranks that defend them shouldn't be anywhere near nuclear weapons. The scary thing is that the radical right Christian wing of the Air Force probably has a few stashed away for their masturbatory Armageddon fantasies.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 01:29 PM

61. He is employed as a chaplain, not Christian in chief

If he is uncomfortable with other faiths, he has no business being an Air Force chaplain. A chaplain's job is to offer spiritual counsel, not for his personal beliefs and personal brand of Christianity on others.

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