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Goonch

(3,550 posts)
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 06:17 PM Apr 2020

Marine Corps Bans Public Display of Confederate Flag

Source: The New York Times

The commandant of the Marine Corps has banned the public display of the Confederate battle flag, a symbol that he said had the “power to inflame” division.

“I am mindful that many people believe that flag to be a symbol of heritage and regional pride,” Gen. David H. Berger said in a letter dated Monday and addressed to his fellow Marines. “But I am also mindful of the feelings of pain and rejection of those who inherited the cultural memory and present effects of the scourge of slavery in our country.”

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/us/marine-corps-confederate-flag.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

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Marine Corps Bans Public Display of Confederate Flag (Original Post) Goonch Apr 2020 OP
It's about fucking time! 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2020 #1
+100000000 DUar17 Apr 2020 #10
It is an ideological banner of slavery, racism and treason. Thomas Hurt Apr 2020 #2
Confederate flags were largely forgotten until the KKK revived them during the Civil Rights movement Major Nikon Apr 2020 #6
Good riddance. Jamastiene Apr 2020 #3
Confederate Flag ad from the time of LBJ. keithbvadu2 Apr 2020 #4
I see that LBJ like Obama was going to take all the bigots guns too.....LOL. Thomas Hurt Apr 2020 #8
Thunderbolt pins also. Seems like a White Supremacy rag of some kind. JDC Apr 2020 #16
He did in fact pass the 1969 Gun Control Act NickB79 Apr 2020 #27
This is from The Thunderbolt, right? klook Apr 2020 #14
+1. Southern heritage, my ass. dalton99a Apr 2020 #26
Shouldn't have taken this long to do the right thing. procon Apr 2020 #5
It doesn't. Aristus Apr 2020 #11
Same here. LuvNewcastle Apr 2020 #19
Damn, welcome to 2020 Ferrets are Cool Apr 2020 #7
I don't see anyone flying the British flag from the Revolution-- Lonestarblue Apr 2020 #9
If you gave your allegiance to the USA Marthe48 Apr 2020 #12
Loser Flag. The white flag of surrender is the true Confederate flag. TeamPooka Apr 2020 #13
Why the rush? The Confederacy only lost the war 155 years ago dlk Apr 2020 #15
How long before Trump either overrides the USMC commandant or requests his resignation? BadgerMom Apr 2020 #17
As far as I am concerned, it is the flag of the enemy of the United States and anyone who CTyankee Apr 2020 #18
The flag of the enemy of the United States? Iggo Apr 2020 #20
"But I am also mindful of the feelings of pain and rejection of those ... soldierant Apr 2020 #21
About damn time. paleotn Apr 2020 #22
Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard - your turn. TomSlick Apr 2020 #23
The Army banned that stuff in the nineties DashOneBravo Apr 2020 #33
Thanks. I should have known that. TomSlick Apr 2020 #35
Here is your heritage and regional pride: Marcuse Apr 2020 #24
I'm saving this so the next time a mouthbreather says to me the civil war wasn't about ... marble falls Apr 2020 #31
The only proper use for that treasonous rag... 47of74 Apr 2020 #25
Don't just ban "Public Display".... ban it outright groundloop Apr 2020 #28
K&R Blue Owl Apr 2020 #29
Good, strong words. Flying that rag isn't free speech, its an effort to intimidate and demean. marble falls Apr 2020 #30
Good sakabatou Apr 2020 #32
Oooo-rah! malthaussen Apr 2020 #34

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
2. It is an ideological banner of slavery, racism and treason.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 06:19 PM
Apr 2020

heritage and regional pride is the bee ess excuse given to cover up the truth.

Major Nikon

(36,814 posts)
6. Confederate flags were largely forgotten until the KKK revived them during the Civil Rights movement
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 06:31 PM
Apr 2020

The "heritage" they represent is pretty clear to anyone paying attention.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
3. Good riddance.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 06:22 PM
Apr 2020

It is not the flag of America. It is the flag of a nation that tried to destroy America. I'm surprised it has been allowed to be displayed this long.

keithbvadu2

(36,360 posts)
4. Confederate Flag ad from the time of LBJ.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 06:26 PM
Apr 2020

Confederate Flag ad from the time of LBJ.

"The Confederate Flag is no longer a sectional emblem. It is now the symbol of the White
race and White supremacy. Fly it on your car and house."

JDC

(10,081 posts)
16. Thunderbolt pins also. Seems like a White Supremacy rag of some kind.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 07:36 PM
Apr 2020

*edited to note the post below mine.

NickB79

(19,110 posts)
27. He did in fact pass the 1969 Gun Control Act
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 10:14 PM
Apr 2020

Which shut down the ability to buy guns through the mail like this ad said he would.

klook

(12,134 posts)
14. This is from The Thunderbolt, right?
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 07:33 PM
Apr 2020

Notorious neo-nazi rag published by National States Rights Party.

I always think of the Confederate flag as a public declaration that shouts "Dumbass and proud of it!"

procon

(15,805 posts)
5. Shouldn't have taken this long to do the right thing.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 06:31 PM
Apr 2020

Why does "regional pride" have any bearing on a symbol that glorifies traitors, racists and secessionists?

Now if the military could also get rid of the religious symbolism and it's links to racism, sexism, child abuse and greed, that would be great.

Aristus

(66,076 posts)
11. It doesn't.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 07:19 PM
Apr 2020

It's entirely about racism.

My heritage is entirely Southern, and that fucking flag does not now, nor has it ever, represented me or my family.

LuvNewcastle

(16,820 posts)
19. Same here.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 08:15 PM
Apr 2020

All of my family is from the South and I never encountered any of them with a Confederate battle flag. About the only time people would see those flags was at Ole Miss football games or maybe in the back window of some redneck's pickup.

Lonestarblue

(9,874 posts)
9. I don't see anyone flying the British flag from the Revolution--
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 07:10 PM
Apr 2020

and claiming that it’s a legitimate flag that we should honor. Why should we honor the flag of the losers? Put them in museums and leave them there.

Marthe48

(16,690 posts)
12. If you gave your allegiance to the USA
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 07:29 PM
Apr 2020

why the hell are you flying a traitor flag? My country. Its flag. We can't swear allegiance to one and fly the other.

dlk

(11,431 posts)
15. Why the rush? The Confederacy only lost the war 155 years ago
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 07:33 PM
Apr 2020

Treason and slavery are nothing to be proud of.

CTyankee

(63,768 posts)
18. As far as I am concerned, it is the flag of the enemy of the United States and anyone who
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 08:00 PM
Apr 2020

flies it is a traitor.

soldierant

(6,647 posts)
21. "But I am also mindful of the feelings of pain and rejection of those ...
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 08:35 PM
Apr 2020

“But I am also mindful of the feelings of pain and rejection of those who inherited the cultural memory and present effects of the scourge of slavery in our country.”

And then there are those of us who have one or more ancestors who served the Union during the Civil War. (I have one great-great-great-grandfather who was a first generation immigrant and served in the Union Army.) We have a few feelings ourselves.

I was in the Marines for ten years myself - I am proud that the Commandant is doing this, albeit late.

TomSlick

(11,032 posts)
23. Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard - your turn.
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 08:50 PM
Apr 2020

The Marines are making you look bad. Let's move out smartly here!

DashOneBravo

(2,679 posts)
33. The Army banned that stuff in the nineties
Fri Apr 24, 2020, 09:44 AM
Apr 2020

Because of Tim McVeigh and those racist cowards who killed two people in Fayetteville.

Not only public display but in the barracks rooms also.

Marcuse

(7,391 posts)
24. Here is your heritage and regional pride:
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 08:54 PM
Apr 2020
In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin. That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.[link:https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states|

marble falls

(56,358 posts)
31. I'm saving this so the next time a mouthbreather says to me the civil war wasn't about ...
Fri Apr 24, 2020, 01:18 AM
Apr 2020

slavery, I can point out the South sure thought it was.

groundloop

(11,486 posts)
28. Don't just ban "Public Display".... ban it outright
Thu Apr 23, 2020, 10:43 PM
Apr 2020

Any soldier seen displaying the treasonous flag should be dishonorably discharged, end of story.

malthaussen

(17,065 posts)
34. Oooo-rah!
Fri Apr 24, 2020, 10:50 AM
Apr 2020

Although someone will doubtless sue on 1st Amendment grounds and get the rule overturned.

-- Mal

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