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JoeOtterbein

(7,697 posts)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:24 PM Oct 2020

Judge orders USPS to reverse mail collection limits now

Source: Politico

A federal judge on Tuesday night ordered the U.S. Postal Service to reverse limitations on mail collection imposed by Trump-backed Postmaster General Louis DeJoy, giving the agency until Wednesday morning to inform workers of the court's changes as more mail-in ballots continue to flood in.

In a highly detailed order, Judge Emmet Sullivan of the District Court for the District of Columbia granted an emergency motion by plaintiffs against President Donald Trump to enforce and monitor compliance with Sullivan's previous injunction tied to USPS services.

No later than 9 a.m. Wednesday, the judge said, agency workers must be told that a USPS leader's July guidelines limiting late and extra trips to collect mail are rescinded.

"USPS personnel are instructed to perform late and extra trips to the maximum extent necessary to increase on-time mail deliveries, particularly for Election Mail," Sullivan wrote. "To be clear, late and extra trips should be performed to the same or greater degree than they were performed prior to July 2020 when doing so would increase on-time mail deliveries.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/27/postal-service-mail-collection-433112

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Judge orders USPS to reverse mail collection limits now (Original Post) JoeOtterbein Oct 2020 OP
Traitor postmaster general will just ignore judge Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #1
What's to stop good postal workers from following the judges orders and ignoring DeJoy? LiberalLovinLug Oct 2020 #33
DeJoy Newest Reality Oct 2020 #2
Agreed Karma13612 Oct 2020 #7
DeVos, Miller, Bannon, Erik Prince, to add but a few... Ford_Prefect Oct 2020 #21
Great list! Karma13612 Oct 2020 #32
'Lock 'em ALL up' Tommymac Oct 2020 #34
So true! Karma13612 Oct 2020 #35
Now there's some good news! Thekaspervote Oct 2020 #3
Judge Emmitt Sullivan. ..strikes again. jaysunb Oct 2020 #4
This is good news, Karma13612 Oct 2020 #5
There was a ruling at the state level. qwlauren35 Oct 2020 #8
Thanks for clearing that up for me! N/t Karma13612 Oct 2020 #31
Judge to DeJoy: Comply for real and do it now! Eugene Oct 2020 #9
But what about all the sorting machines that were destroyed???? groundloop Oct 2020 #6
He also ordered daily reports and daily teleconferences with him... Princess Turandot Oct 2020 #10
Thanks for adding! nt JoeOtterbein Oct 2020 #13
Excellent! Sherman A1 Oct 2020 #30
These Republican cheaters are so obvious! "We now declare you cannot make extra trips to Maraya1969 Oct 2020 #11
Does this mean my carrier will make more than one delivery per day? MichMan Oct 2020 #12
Doubtful...... I'm pretty sure this is mostly about mail freight trucks groundloop Oct 2020 #25
Judge Emmett Sullivan is my hero Hekate Oct 2020 #14
As I asked in the other thread about this ruling: scarletwoman Oct 2020 #15
They have to go to the judge with a report every day. He could charge them with contempt. n/t pnwmom Oct 2020 #16
And if they are charged with contempt, then what? scarletwoman Oct 2020 #18
Here's the order. pnwmom Oct 2020 #17
Any chance you could split that into paragraphs to make it readable? scarletwoman Oct 2020 #19
Judge Sullivan is one of the good guys Bayard Oct 2020 #20
Won't DeJoy just defy the order? Duppers Oct 2020 #22
Judge Sullivan second mistake was,,, Cryptoad Oct 2020 #23
It's appalling how many laws are being broken by the GOP in this election cycle. C Moon Oct 2020 #24
if we don't win, Given all the illegal obstacles, SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2020 #27
is there any outcry from the Democrats in Congress? SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2020 #26
This will be ignored without penalty. Or they'll "appeal" or demand a "stay" to prepare an appeal. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #28
So people get your damn ballots filled out and mailed NOW Bengus81 Oct 2020 #29

LiberalLovinLug

(14,153 posts)
33. What's to stop good postal workers from following the judges orders and ignoring DeJoy?
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 01:20 PM
Oct 2020

I suppose someone in authority who backs Trump can lock the door. But I'd like to see some workers at least try to defy their boss. Let him try and fire them for following the judges orders.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
2. DeJoy
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:33 PM
Oct 2020

DeJoy needs to be removed, investigated, indicted, prosecuted.

It is very obvious that he has committed a federal offense and may even have been told it all would be overlooked by the Trump Administration.

When we take back the White House and bring back law and order, that's another thing on the list to do.

Karma13612

(4,527 posts)
7. Agreed
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:53 PM
Oct 2020

And no more of this conciliatory nonsense about not looking back.

Been there, done that.

Obama was treated like crap, stonewalled and gas lighted for 8 years. He wanted to look ahead and not back.

This time, we kick @$$, and take names. I see nothing wrong with taking action on past SERIOUS offenses while we still look ahead and make meaningful change.

American voters want action and we need to deliver.
But, we need to make sure those who were egregious in their actions be brought to justice.
Otherwise our laws are useless and we lose the confidence of voters who put us in office.

DeJoy, Barr, Trump, Mnuchin, Pompeo, et al.

And we need to offer those who were fired without cause for political reasons, their jobs back. I’m speaking of those who testified and told their stories about the corruption within the Trump administration. Give them promotions and show that America values service and loyalty.





Ford_Prefect

(7,817 posts)
21. DeVos, Miller, Bannon, Erik Prince, to add but a few...
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:53 PM
Oct 2020

Along with Ryan Zinke, David Bernhardt, Kenneth Weinstein, Kris Kobach and Mark Meadows.

If I recall correctly there are roughly 230-odd individuals who might fit this list of Trump's corrupt and corrosive appointees who are doing or have done dirty by their sworn oaths and public obligation.

Of course this also raises the question of what to do with McConnell, Nunes, and the other Putin Stooges in congress. I seem to recall that some of those islands with rising tides are for sale quite cheap.

Karma13612

(4,527 posts)
5. This is good news,
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:40 PM
Oct 2020

But I must have been mistaken.

I thought there had already been a ruling in the last few weeks ordering DeJoy and the USPS to reverse all the policies instituted since DeJoy took office. Meaning that they were ALREADY supposed to be following Pre-July deadlines and delivery practices.

Or was that order appealed?

Gosh, I can’t keep track of all this anymore.

Glad that Sullivan made this ruling. We have one week left to get the mail in time.

Eugene

(61,592 posts)
9. Judge to DeJoy: Comply for real and do it now!
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:02 PM
Oct 2020

The USPS agreed to comply with the injunction, but the USPS has slowed down again.

The new order especially covers easy to fix procedural changes like allowing overtime pickups and handling election mail promptly.

The order is to put things back the way they were before DeJoy's sabotage.

groundloop

(11,486 posts)
6. But what about all the sorting machines that were destroyed????
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:46 PM
Oct 2020

I've read of one or two of these machines that were put back into operation by enterprising maintenance personnel, but by and large that isn't going to be happening on a widespread basis as these machines are fairly complex.

Princess Turandot

(4,784 posts)
10. He also ordered daily reports and daily teleconferences with him...
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:03 PM
Oct 2020
It is
FURTHER ORDERED that beginning October 28, 2020 and until further order of the Court,
Defendants shall file with the Court by 10:00 AM each day: (1) updated data on the number of
extra and late trips performed the preceding day, at the Nation, Area, and District level, including
any available data that is specific to Election Mail, to the maximum extent feasible; (2) updated
data on the percentage of on-time deliveries at the Nation, Area, and District level, including any
available data that is specific to Election Mail to the maximum extent feasible; and (3) any other
reports generated after the date of this Order and produced to Congress, other courts, or other
litigants.

It is FURTHER ORDERED that beginning October 28, 2020 and until further order of
the Court, the Court schedules a daily status conference at 3:00 PM via VIDEO
TELECONFERENCE. The parties shall contact Mr. Mark Coates, the Courtroom Deputy Clerk,
for the dial-in information.

Signed by Judge Emmet G. Sullivan on 10/27/2020


Full order: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000175-6ced-d665-a1ff-eeed21e30000

Maraya1969

(22,441 posts)
11. These Republican cheaters are so obvious! "We now declare you cannot make extra trips to
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:08 PM
Oct 2020

move the mail" right when they want to stop as much mail as they possibly can.

They don't even have any shame.

I hope Dejoy is prosecuted and goes to jail.

MichMan

(11,780 posts)
12. Does this mean my carrier will make more than one delivery per day?
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:19 PM
Oct 2020

My mail normally gets delivered around noon every day. Does this ruling mean that if more mail comes to my post office in the afternoon that my carrier is required to make a second delivery to my house rather than holding it until the next day?

groundloop

(11,486 posts)
25. Doubtful...... I'm pretty sure this is mostly about mail freight trucks
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 01:13 AM
Oct 2020

DeJoy had ordered trucks to leave on time regardless of whether they were loaded yet or not, and as a result many trucks were travelling from one hub to another nearly empty while mail sat piling up at freight facilities.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
18. And if they are charged with contempt, then what?
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:37 PM
Oct 2020

I'm not trying to be a downer, it's just that there have already been 2 or 3 court rulings over the past couple months which have basically been either ignored, or just half-assedly complied with.

I simply don't trust that this latest ruling is going to make any difference.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
17. Here's the order.
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:32 PM
Oct 2020

MINUTE ORDER granting emergency motion to enforce and monitor compliance with preliminary injunction. It is hereby ORDERED that by no later than 9:00 AM on October 28, 2020, Defendants shall issue a one-page notice to Area Vice Presidents, Managers of Operations Support, and any other United States Postal Service "USPS" personnel who were previously informed about the guidelines issued on July 14, 2020, by USPS Vice President of Logistics, Robert Cintron, regarding the use of late and extra trips: (1) "The guidelines issued on July 14, 2020, by USPS Vice President of Logistics, Robert Cintron, regarding the use of late and extra trips are rescinded;" and (2) "USPS personnel are instructed to perform late and extra trips to the maximum extent necessary to increase on-time mail deliveries, particularly for Election Mail. To be clear, late and extra trips should be performed to the same or greater degree than they were performed prior to July 2020 when doing so would increase on-time mail deliveries. Any prior communication that is inconsistent with this instruction should be disregarded." It is FURTHER ORDERED that by no later than 9:00 AM on October 29, 2020, Defendants shall issue a one-page notice to, or deliver a Stand-Up Talk to, all USPS personnel who may have job responsibilities related in any way to late and extra trips, stating that: "Late and extra trips will be approved to the maximum extent necessary to increase on-time mail deliveries, particularly for Election Mail. Any prior communication that is inconsistent with this should be disregarded. To be clear, late and extra trips will be approved to the same or greater degree than they were performed prior to July 2020 when doing so would increase on-time mail deliveries." It is FURTHER ORDERED that by no later than 9:00 AM on October 29, 2020, Defendants shall distribute, in the same form and to the same individuals who were previously advised about the need to "ensure that completed ballots reach the appropriate election official by the state's designated deadline," a list of state-specific statutory ballot receipt deadlines, so that USPS managers and employees can implement the Election Mail guidance that Defendants have recently issued. The parties shall confer and agree on the form and substance of the list. It is FURTHER ORDERED that beginning October 28, 2020 and until further order of the Court, Defendants shall file with the Court by 10:00 AM each day: (1) updated data on the number of extra and late trips performed the preceding day, at the Nation, Area, and District level, including any available data that is specific to Election Mail, to the maximum extent feasible; (2) updated data on the percentage of on-time deliveries at the Nation, Area, and District level, including any available data that is specific to Election Mail to the maximum extent feasible; and (3) any other reports generated after the date of this Order and produced to Congress, other courts, or other litigants. It is FURTHER ORDERED that beginning October 28, 2020 and until further order of the Court, the Court schedules a daily status conference at 3:00 PM via VIDEO TELECONFERENCE. The parties shall contact Mr. Mark Coates, the Courtroom Deputy Clerk, for the dial-in information. Signed by Judge Emmet G. Sullivan on 10/27/2020. (lcegs3)

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17461792/national-association-for-the-advancement-of-colored-people-v-united-states/

C Moon

(12,188 posts)
24. It's appalling how many laws are being broken by the GOP in this election cycle.
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 01:06 AM
Oct 2020

God I hope we win. This time we need to bring the hammer down hard on these bastards!

SleeplessinSoCal

(8,992 posts)
27. if we don't win, Given all the illegal obstacles,
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 01:16 AM
Oct 2020

We cannot accept defeat without a major outcry of fraud and theft. We cannot become Russia.

SleeplessinSoCal

(8,992 posts)
26. is there any outcry from the Democrats in Congress?
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 01:14 AM
Oct 2020

This monstrous regime is recklessly committing murder - democracy as well as people - in order to keep control.

It is unfreakinbelieveable.

Bengus81

(6,907 posts)
29. So people get your damn ballots filled out and mailed NOW
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 07:55 AM
Oct 2020

Crap...mine would have made it there the next morning if I would have mailed it. Instead I put it in one our close by County election boxes, it was there a week ago. We have six days to go. Hell fill it out and mail it at the airport if you can and if you don't have election collection boxes nearby.



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