Judge freezes voting machines in three Georgia counties
Source: Politico
The suit is one of two cases filed in federal courts last week by Sidney Powell, an outspoken Texas attorney.
By JOSH GERSTEIN
11/30/2020 08:20 AM EST
A judge assigned to a Republican-led lawsuit alleging widespread fraud in the presidential election in Georgia issued an order late Sunday night blocking plans to wipe or reset voting machines used in three counties in the state.
U.S. District Judge Timothy Batten Sr. revealed in his four-page directive that he held a hearing via Zoom Sunday evening on the suit one of two cases filed in federal courts last week by Sidney Powell, an outspoken Texas attorney who joined President Donald Trumps legal team earlier this month only to be dismissed from it a few days later.
The hearing was not announced on the courts docket and appears not to have been open to the press or public. It seems to have focused on claims that the election results in Georgia were wildly inaccurate due to use of machines from a leading vendor of voting equipment Dominion Election Systems.
Powell has alleged, based on scant evidence, that the firms foreign ties allowed hostile governments to meddle in the U.S. election via a conspiracy that involved both Democratic and Republican U.S. officials.
Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/30/judge-freezes-voting-machines-georgia-counties-441342
truthisfreedom
(23,113 posts)It will all fall on the repukes from a great height.
Muriel
(16 posts)exboyfil
(17,857 posts)Maybe we need to kick the tires on all the voting machines throughout the country.
KS Toronado
(16,918 posts)48 for Biden, 48 for donnie, and 2 no votes, and then check the machines printout.
Believe we'll find they favor repugs.
LisaL
(44,962 posts)Jeez.
lostnfound
(16,139 posts)"there was no inventory management present for the USB sticks";
"permitting the easy substitution of USB sticks containing malware";
He said he observed repeated human errors while many workers were texting and making phone calls while working.
Although the state has described the software upgrade as routine, Hursti says its much more than that.
"This is really a comparison of, if you are moving a little bit of furniture in your living room? Or you are moving load-bearing walls? This is a change moving load-bearing walls," Hursti said. "These kind of changes would need to be tested thoroughly. And he says with early voting starting Monday, that cant happen..
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/politics/elections/voting-machines-critics/85-e6f50404-3e60-43be-b194-4899f4e8309c
Election Day-
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/04/georgia-election-machine-glitch-434065
https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/politics/elections/tech-issue-causes-voting-machines-in-spalding-county-to-go-down/85-1aa7d660-a2e3-441a-ab56-1ffeebc5adcf
IsItJustMe
(7,012 posts)oldsoftie
(12,410 posts)IsItJustMe
(7,012 posts)KS Toronado
(16,918 posts)to insure they weren't tampered with during the election.
We know repugs have cheating down to an art form.
LisaL
(44,962 posts)All righty then.
KS Toronado
(16,918 posts)Have no idea what you're reading into my words, please curb your imagination a little.
LisaL
(44,962 posts)She wants to have her experts to examine the machines.
LiberalArkie
(15,686 posts)oldsoftie
(12,410 posts)Biden got over 100k more votes than Osoff i believe. The trumpers say THATS the evidence of tampering; I say its evidence of just how bad people wanted trump GONE. Republicans voting for Biden but GOP down ballot.
LiberalArkie
(15,686 posts)I see no problem with Trump loosing Georgia 5 or 10 more times.
dsc
(52,130 posts)He outperformed our Senate candidate by around 30k in his loss in NC (we are one CD smaller than GA).
Trueblue Texan
(2,372 posts)Let's ban electronic voting machines and go back to paper ballots.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)thucythucy
(7,986 posts)What could be the justification for keeping such a hearing secret?
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)patricia92243
(12,590 posts)"The hearing was not announced on the courts docket and appears not to have been open to the press or public."
Now THAT actually seems like something crooked is going on.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,632 posts)The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)LisaL
(44,962 posts)Run off elections are coming up, and early voting starts in two weeks.
Pobeka
(4,999 posts)wnylib
(21,146 posts)the Republican candidates in the runoff. Hope Stacey Abrams is on this.
getagrip_already
(14,255 posts)If the election can't be held before the terms expire, kemp could appoint senators to fill out the terms.
Who'd a thunk they would pull that one?
wnylib
(21,146 posts)them when there is no limit to the crap they will come up with. There must be some way to fight this latest move.
Mr.Bill
(24,104 posts)They'll just close some polling places in Democratic areas.
wiggs
(7,788 posts)so fraud can be claimed. Don't know if Georgia is it...but smells.
lostnfound
(16,139 posts)karynnj
(59,475 posts)One question I had, not answered by the article is how long the machines must be frozen. My mind immediately thought if 2004 where Ohio suppressed the vote by having very few voting machines in the major cities.
This seems to apply to 3 counties, two of which are Democratic. The third is a small Republican one. My question is whether they will all get a fair number of voting machines if theirs are still frozen.
LisaL
(44,962 posts)I really doubt they could get another set of voting machines in time.
karynnj
(59,475 posts)to a point where the machines could be cleaned and programmed for the run off.
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)Theres only the two senate races ,right?
Nitram
(22,671 posts)machines. How could blocking the wipe of data from the voting machines be viewed as a bad thing at this point? Sometime before the next election would make more sense. New machines or an alternate voting procedure can be used instead for elections that are coming very soon.
LisaL
(44,962 posts)What do you propose they use to vote? Who is going to pay for the new voting machines?
Why is attorney from TX allowed to file a suit (she has no standing in GA elections, does she?)
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,539 posts)The attorney, however, must be admitted to the bar of the state the action has been filed in. To remedy that, out-of-state attorneys will add a member of the appropriate state bar to their legal team.
It also has to do with whether the person bringing the lawsuit has a tangible relationship with the cause of action. For example, someone who didn't register to vote might be found by the court to lack standing to bring an action which affects only the actual vote.
getagrip_already
(14,255 posts)Remove the drives, make forensic copies, and have the fbi examine them.
Then simply put new drives into the machines and load new software. No impacts.
The machines themselves aren't magical, and it doesn't seem like they are under order. Just the drives/software.
Even if they want to impound the mainboards, the vendor should be able to replace those in quantity. Again, nothing magical in a computer operated voting machine.
Nitram
(22,671 posts)patricia92243
(12,590 posts)karynnj
(59,475 posts)From his comments and that of the GA (Republican) SOS, with this machine, you vote on a paper ballot that is then processed by the Dominion voting machine. The hand count that they had before the Trump requested recount found no big differences between from the original count.
Years ago, many of us were concerned about black box ( ie their process is proprietary and not available to be evaluated) voting machines with no paper trail intentionally distorting the results. There is a huge difference from that concern years ago and the completely baseless Powell claims.
The HAND RECOUNT of the paper votes IS the check that we wanted so many years ago. It has already been done.
Nitram
(22,671 posts)about the possibility of hacking or tampering with electronic voting machines, and was relieved that many states solved the problem by establishing a clear paper documentation of every vote.
oldsoftie
(12,410 posts)I'm still waiting to see proof of that.
Also, a friend said SHE knew 3 people who received ballots they didnt request & 2 dead who voted. Again, no proof to show. She said "they reported it". If THATS the case, then it seems like that would be news somewhere. And again, I've seen or heard nothing
Let Sidney & Lin & whoever have their day in court. And when they bring jack squat proof with them, toss 'em out on their asses and make a public report on their failures
bucolic_frolic
(42,681 posts)Foreign meddling? How about all the importing of meddling DJT?
Nitram
(22,671 posts)external factors including voter suppression in red states, FBI's Comey re-opening his investigation two weeks before the election, voter fraud of various kinds (such as that prosecuted in North Carolina), and Russian interference.
still_one
(91,968 posts)thenelm1
(844 posts)does she have standing to continue to file lawsuits on his behalf?
still_one
(91,968 posts)judesedit
(4,437 posts)Ilsa
(61,676 posts)Fulton, Cobb, & DeKalb?
RainCaster
(10,691 posts)They can whine all they like, but having a paper record will be indisputable. Recount it as many times as you like, there can be no dispute.
c-rational
(2,581 posts)mail-in.
halfulglas
(1,654 posts)If they test machines and find - guess what - actually votes changing in favor of Republicans, can it change the down ballot voting that was for republican representatives was originally a vote for the dem?
LizBeth
(9,946 posts)won't the follow up paper verify a Trump vote? So how can anyone see if there are flips going on. I remember before it was said have paper receipts. Now I hear 92% of the machines have paper receipts. But, I do not see how that would prove one way or another.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)I don't get it. Vote on a computer, get a print-out like maybe an ATM receipt?, then give the receipt to?, and it's able to be hand-counted if necessary?
but this is encouraging....
(November 20, 2020) Georgias successful hand count marks a watershed for trustworthy elections in the state and nationally, said Mark Lindeman, interim co-director. Using Georgias new paper-based voting system, voters can check their ballots, and then election officials can review some or all of the ballots to confirm or correct the results. These practices let Georgia voters have greater confidence that their votes count. Verified Voting has advocated for secure and verifiable elections since our inception in 2004 and we will continue working to make our elections more resilient.
This comprehensive review of five million ballots constitutes the largest hand count in recent U.S. history. The work was a mammoth undertaking, especially after implementing a new statewide voting system during a pandemic. Verified Voting salutes Georgia election officials and everyone who took part in the audit for their service to Georgia voters. The audit underscores our advice to Georgia voters: check your ballots carefully election officials will rely on them as the definitive record of your votes.
Verified Voting assisted the Georgia secretary of states office and VotingWorks in planning the audit, and provided direct technical and procedural support for county election officials. The full hand count was a form of a risk-limiting audit. Ordinarily, risk-limiting audits entail manually reviewing a random sample of paper ballots, and are designed to provide strong statistical evidence that a full hand count would not change a reported election outcome. The size of the sample largely depends on the margin and the audit method. In Georgia, given the extreme closeness of the presidential election, it was more practical to hand-count all ballots than to audit a very large sample. This circumstance is unusual even in competitive elections.
The audit totals closely resemble the reported totals. The audit uncovered some isolated errors in the initial results, which are to be expected in the auditing process. Further evaluation of the audit will inform recommendations for process improvements for future elections and audits in Georgia.
https://verifiedvoting.org/statement-georgia-audit-comple
LizBeth
(9,946 posts)we chose. We do not get the r4eceipt. They say paper because they can print a paper on the votes thru out the night. And if that matches what machine says, then thumbs up?
This is it. This is what we need. Like Or, all thru the way I have easy verification of registered, the whole process thru received. That is very comforting. But yes, to be able to verify who the vote went to would let me, let this go. And I am all for letting go one of the many issues we have in this country. Lol. Thanks.
Grimelle
(219 posts)Which by the way republicans believe will be the end of the GOP.
iluvtennis
(19,758 posts)before then. If not, then they will be disenfranchising voters in these counties.
Some smells here.
LisaL
(44,962 posts)NT
UCmeNdc
(9,589 posts)Just paper ballots for everyone. (Mail In ballots and in person voting ballots.)
LisaL
(44,962 posts)Which are then scanned.
yankeepants
(1,979 posts)this is a State issue not a under federal jurisdiction.
LisaL
(44,962 posts)This article has the timeline.
"On November 29, Judge Timothy Batten Sr. released a court order against the wiping or altering of any Dominion software or data by local board of elections. The ruling appeared to apply to all 159 Georgia counties. A few hours later, he rescinded that order; then, at 10 p.m., Batten issued another order that prohibited destroying any software data in Cobb, Gwinnett, or Cherokee counties for ten days. The third order states that the defendants argued the secretary of State has no lawful authority over local elections officials. Defendants changed their request only to include Cobb, Gwinnett, and Cherokee."
https://fetchyournews.com/state-national/georgia-election-lawsuits-no-data-destruction/