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swag

(26,485 posts)
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 02:29 AM Jan 2021

House Democrats Briefed On 3 Terrifying Plots To Overthrow Government

Source: Huffington Post

By Matt Fuller

WASHINGTON ― Capitol Police briefed Democrats on Monday night about three more potentially gruesome demonstrations planned in the coming days, with one plot to encircle the U.S. Capitol and assassinate Democrats and some Republicans.

On a private call Monday night, new leaders of the Capitol Police told House Democrats they were closely monitoring three separate plans that could pose serious threats to members of Congress as Washington prepares for Democrat Joe Biden’s presidential inauguration on Jan. 20.

The first is a demonstration billed as the “largest armed protest ever to take place on American soil.”

Another is a protest in honor of Ashli Babbitt, the woman killed while trying to climb into the Speaker’s Lobby during Wednesday’s pro-Trump siege of the Capitol.


Read more: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/democrats-briefed-plot-overthrow-government_n_5ffd29a4c5b691806c4bf199

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House Democrats Briefed On 3 Terrifying Plots To Overthrow Government (Original Post) swag Jan 2021 OP
Omg SheltieLover Jan 2021 #1
Yes. You beat me to punch. Speechless except for that one expression. OMG! emmaverybo Jan 2021 #3
Terrifying! SheltieLover Jan 2021 #8
It's not over NBachers Jan 2021 #2
No it isn't.. the thing is to be ready & Cha Jan 2021 #12
Gotta love Trump Dan Jan 2021 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2021 #5
These people are terrorists, no different than procon Jan 2021 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2021 #7
Bingo. SergeStorms Jan 2021 #23
what makes you think any of that has been approved? getagrip_already Jan 2021 #42
The Secret Service... SergeStorms Jan 2021 #48
the ss is not an army..... getagrip_already Jan 2021 #50
Absolutely correct! Wuddles440 Jan 2021 #51
And didn't I include the National Guard? SergeStorms Jan 2021 #57
my point is that ng is still under dod/trump control...... getagrip_already Jan 2021 #58
Trump is in charge of nothing anymore. SergeStorms Jan 2021 #59
He's still instigating and no amount of security will make a public inaugural safe. ucrdem Jan 2021 #60
Yes. This. No mercy. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #38
I really hope they move it inside. ucrdem Jan 2021 #9
General McCaffrey strongly advised that tonight on MSNBC. He also mentioned drones or lasers. mackdaddy Jan 2021 #20
Too bad that the orange fascist wnylib Jan 2021 #22
When I heard that trump wasn't going, christx30 Jan 2021 #26
I was just thinking about the wnylib Jan 2021 #29
I worry about something they've missed - failed to think of bucolic_frolic Jan 2021 #40
I wouldn't rule out any form of insanity. ucrdem Jan 2021 #47
Looks like a big party Clearly fogged in Jan 2021 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2021 #13
going wherever they're not. Clearly fogged in Jan 2021 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2021 #15
Like an all hands working party. all day. again. Clearly fogged in Jan 2021 #16
This is deadly serious. Saying "Looks like a big party" is part of the problem. No joking matter. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #32
I read the article before making comment. Clearly fogged in Jan 2021 #44
I am sorry for my comments Clearly fogged in Jan 2021 #63
You are forgiven. It wasn't the best post but certainly not the worst post. Return any time. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #64
Had to come back after taking my cranky-nap Clearly fogged in Feb 2021 #65
Putin and his billionaires aren't done. C Moon Jan 2021 #11
They want to face off against units of the National Guard? NotASurfer Jan 2021 #17
Are All These Plots Really "Trump's Last Hope" To Keep His Job?..... global1 Jan 2021 #18
won't happen monkeyman1 Jan 2021 #21
Yep and DC laws pretty clear. They don't tolerate guns and such soothsayer Jan 2021 #30
That's their plan as far as I can see. wnylib Jan 2021 #24
been thinking along the same lines, that the PLANNED demonstrations are distractions for wiggs Jan 2021 #46
I don't know about the riots being wnylib Jan 2021 #52
Yes. And I will get hidden if I say it. marble falls Jan 2021 #36
So the coup has just started Kablooie Jan 2021 #19
30 years of right-wing hate radio and television have come home to roost mdbl Jan 2021 #25
Exactly right Marrah_Goodman Jan 2021 #56
THIS ⬆⬆ Duppers Jan 2021 #62
Time for trump and his family to all be indicted and charged, duforsure Jan 2021 #27
I have a feeling that others besides Ashli Babbitt will die if there are armed protests yuiyoshida Jan 2021 #28
As crazy as it seems, we should be alright with that.They are forcing the resolution. marble falls Jan 2021 #35
Been saying since I got here..... Swamp Country Po Boy Jan 2021 #31
Third-world country. Lock him up. Jan 2021 #33
That's why Trump's been quiet - not losing his social platforms - keeping this all under his hat. marble falls Jan 2021 #34
I'd expect some inflammatory rhetoric from his trip to Harker Jan 2021 #43
According to the White House, he's not going to THE Alamo,... LudwigPastorius Jan 2021 #54
Thanks! Harker Jan 2021 #55
A true insurrection means shooting back. sinkingfeeling Jan 2021 #37
"Unity" equals a "plot to encircle the U.S. Capitol and assassinate Democrats and some Republicans." Ramsey Barner Jan 2021 #39
"...three separate plans that could pose serious threats to members of Congress..." myohmy2 Jan 2021 #41
Follow The Money! Adelson, Mercer and Putin aren't the only sources of cash in this. Ford_Prefect Jan 2021 #45
Pres Elect Joe needs to cancel his Train Trip Tommymac Jan 2021 #49
Really, really, REALLY Bayard Jan 2021 #53
The rightys aren't all that dangerous.. Maxheader Jan 2021 #61

Response to swag (Original post)

procon

(15,805 posts)
6. These people are terrorists, no different than
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 02:41 AM
Jan 2021

if we had been invaded by ISIS, and they should be treated no differently.

I'm scared for my country, for the Capital, President Biden and the Dems.

Response to procon (Reply #6)

SergeStorms

(19,186 posts)
23. Bingo.
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 05:39 AM
Jan 2021

This has the appearance of a psy-ops plan with the main goal of instilling fear in Democratic legislators and disrupting the inauguration. These domestic terrorists are not that coordinated, nor are they foolish enough to face the might of the entire United States security apparatus and the National Guard. There will be more Secret Service snipers on rooftops than there were Capitol Police at last weekend's insurrection. Then there are ground forces to contend with, along with various artillery installations. These terrorists aren't that well equipped to take on that degree of resistance. I don't believe they're suicidal, just boastful and stupid.
That said, it's best to prepare for anything these mangy mongrels might try to throw at the military installations and inaugural guests. They'd be severely outnumbered and under equipped for such an undertaking. Theres no way they could muster the 10,000 man number mentioned. I have every confidence in the Secret Service and National Guard to handle anything thrown at them. Like I said, this is more psy-ops than any actual attack plan. That's my opinion anyway.

getagrip_already

(14,618 posts)
42. what makes you think any of that has been approved?
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 09:38 AM
Jan 2021

What makes you think the civilian leaders at the dod will behave any differently than on 1/6? What makes you think resources will be deployed and not held back?

Biden won't have control for at least a week. Certainly he will have zero control as he is being sworn in.

NOTHING has changed. Two or three heads of the capitol police have been replaced, but not the person they reported to. Not the people at dod who approve national guard deployments. and not trump.

SergeStorms

(19,186 posts)
48. The Secret Service...
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 12:41 PM
Jan 2021

is in control of security for the inauguration. This will not be controlled by Capitol Police or DC Police. The Secret Service plans for EVERY contingency, and there will be redundancy built in. That's why President-elect Biden sald he wasn't afraid to have the inauguration outside. He knows the extent to which the Secret Service prepares for any such event. I think the general public has to relax a bit to DEF-CON 3. The sky is not falling, and the United States Secret Service has got this. This is not their first rodeo.

getagrip_already

(14,618 posts)
50. the ss is not an army.....
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 12:49 PM
Jan 2021

They are a security and logistics agency. They could easily be overwhelmed, and rely on support from other agencies for backup and first line defenses.

They don't have any magic wands, and they won't actually report to biden until he is sworn in, and only then after he takes control with his own appointments.

The national guard is an important first line of defense here. If they aren't there, nothing else works.

Wuddles440

(1,119 posts)
51. Absolutely correct!
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 01:43 PM
Jan 2021

It's naive to believe that these terrorist groups are not organized and their efforts are not being coordinated. Many of their members are current/former LEOs and military. Also, it's become apparent that they've infiltrated many law enforcement/security organizations including the USSS. Hopefully, when called upon to aggressively suppress these insurrectionists, most security personnel will honor their oaths to uphold the laws to protect the law abiding public, the nation, and its institutions.

SergeStorms

(19,186 posts)
57. And didn't I include the National Guard?
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 05:29 PM
Jan 2021

Good lord, get a grip, getagrip_already! Right now these domestic terrorist groups are on the run. They are in disarray. Theres no way a 10,000 man domestic terrorist army is going to surround Washington DC and start a war with the United States government. The media is blowing this way out of proportion, as usual.

Should we be vigilant and take precautions? Of course, but the things everyone is clutching their pearls about have about a 2% chance of occurring. If that. If you're going to start a covert war you don't advertise it. I'm totally confident that the Secret Service, the National Guard, local and federal law enforcement have this covered. If you don't, we'll just have to agree to disagree. We're all in this together, alright?

getagrip_already

(14,618 posts)
58. my point is that ng is still under dod/trump control......
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 06:15 PM
Jan 2021

my good stormy, that IS the point. Without the cavalry, the ss has no real defense against a rushing crowd.

If they get ordered to the barracks again, there is no protection.

What part of that is over the top?

SergeStorms

(19,186 posts)
59. Trump is in charge of nothing anymore.
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 06:39 PM
Jan 2021

He's abdicated all presidential responsibilities. For all intents and purposes Mike Pence is the commander in chief right now. DoD has been reorganized again, and Trump's figureheads have been ordered to stand down. The organization that was in place a week ago is no longer in place.

Let me ask you this: After 9/11 when was it safest to fly again? Right after the FAA cleared air travel again. Remember everyone clapping and cheering when their aircraft touched down? In relation to last weekend's events, this is now that time.

Everything is going to be alright. Is it right to be concerned in light of last week's events? Of course, but believe me, they got this. I'm done here, but have a pleasant evening.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
60. He's still instigating and no amount of security will make a public inaugural safe.
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 08:00 PM
Jan 2021

But we need it to go forward. Frankly the situation could not be more dangerous. I would much prefer a peaceful, televised, indoor inaugural than watching any kind of disruption unfold on live TV on Jan. 20.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
9. I really hope they move it inside.
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 02:52 AM
Jan 2021

Even if he's protected the whole thing fails if there's a gunbattle somewhere or choppers buzzing around in the airspace. And the last thing we need is Biden being grabbed by SS and dragged off camera for his own safety.

Do it inside and invite the cameras and a few friends. That would be plenty.

mackdaddy

(1,522 posts)
20. General McCaffrey strongly advised that tonight on MSNBC. He also mentioned drones or lasers.
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 03:55 AM
Jan 2021

Both of those I had never heard of, but both could be a big problem in little packages.

If the ceremony were indoors it would also maybe foil the bad guys planning.

I finally heard a story of why the 17th. "Q" is the 17th letter.

I worry about how many of our troops have been radicalized. I hate having to be concerned if your unit really has your back. Looks like there were maybe 5% bad in the Cap Police.

Last rumor. One of the reasons that they did not call out the guard before hand was that basically with any "provocation" Trump could declare an insurrection and take direct command of them. He could the use them to halt congress, or even order Democrats arrested. He could still be a big problem if a true armed insurrection starts. Who do the troops listen to?

God I will be glad when this SOB is gone for good.

wnylib

(21,340 posts)
22. Too bad that the orange fascist
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 05:29 AM
Jan 2021

will probably be out of town when this happens, to protect his own skin. Or maybe in his bunker.

It would be poetic justice if he and his inner circle got caught in the crossfire and hit by their own people.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
26. When I heard that trump wasn't going,
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 06:12 AM
Jan 2021

I thought about GoT, and Cersei destroying the Sept of Baelor, and with it, all of her enemies.
I’m very worried about the 17th through the 25th and beyond. They are going to have to lock that city down. I’m glad don’t live there.

wnylib

(21,340 posts)
29. I was just thinking about the
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 06:30 AM
Jan 2021

residents of the city. I hope some of them are ready and able to handle their own defense since all military and law enforcement will be preoccupied. And that they have stocked up on supplies so they don't need to go out.

A large part of DC's population is Black or of other non white minority groups and the militias are racists. The rest of the country might need to take them in if they can get away.

bucolic_frolic

(43,045 posts)
40. I worry about something they've missed - failed to think of
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 08:53 AM
Jan 2021

Such as operatives already in place, hiding in some air duct or ceiling or sewer. But maybe I've watched too many Jason Bourne movies.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
47. I wouldn't rule out any form of insanity.
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 11:25 AM
Jan 2021

And if anything happens anywhere, the helicopters swoop in and the guys in dark glasses whisk Joe, Kamala, and the rest to safety. All good, but it would be game over for Biden. It happened during the 2015 Paris attack and that was the end of François Hollande, who was helicoptered out of a soccer stadium where he was watching a match. He had other setbacks, but he became so unpopular that he didn't bother running for a second term the following year.

Response to Clearly fogged in (Reply #10)

Response to Clearly fogged in (Reply #14)

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,957 posts)
32. This is deadly serious. Saying "Looks like a big party" is part of the problem. No joking matter.
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 07:35 AM
Jan 2021

Nooses, pipe bombs, home made napalm, attempted kidnapping, mobs trampling people to death were all part of the last "big party" on Wednesday. People died January 6 because the people in charge did not take it seriously, either ignorantly or on purpose.

I'm sorry you think Officer Sicknick died for "a big party".

The insurrectionists were hunting Nancy Pelosi and any other targets they could find.

Stop. Delete your post. What the hell are you thinking?

Clearly fogged in

(1,896 posts)
44. I read the article before making comment.
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 09:49 AM
Jan 2021

It seems to me that having to write an article to explain things to people on a level so basic is no more or less effective than asking where's the party. If anyone, one person more, comments that they too miss my point I will self delete. Otherwise not.

Clearly fogged in

(1,896 posts)
63. I am sorry for my comments
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:31 AM
Jan 2021

I had a few days of unexplainable behaviors and questioning of my own perceptions. I resign.

NotASurfer

(2,146 posts)
17. They want to face off against units of the National Guard?
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 03:10 AM
Jan 2021

Let's see...better trained, better organized, better equipped, better disciplined, and better shots.

Maybe the whole plot hinges on air superiority...what does the Confederate Air Force fly again?

global1

(25,224 posts)
18. Are All These Plots Really "Trump's Last Hope" To Keep His Job?.....
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 03:31 AM
Jan 2021

Is Trump sitting in the Oval hoping that violence breaks out in D.C. or around the country to the extent that he can institute 'martial law' and maintain the presidency?

Is this Trump's Last Stand?

One was to get the Electoral College to help him maintain the presidency.

Two was to incite an insurrection.

I see Three as hope violence breaks out across the country to the level of being able to justify declaring 'martial law'.

Any thoughts about this?

 

monkeyman1

(5,109 posts)
21. won't happen
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 04:40 AM
Jan 2021

every state has has national guard unit's. they already on stand-by & mobilizing ! they will be locked & loaded with real ammo. won't play games & won't get surprised this time.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
30. Yep and DC laws pretty clear. They don't tolerate guns and such
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 07:18 AM
Jan 2021

It’s a non starter in DC at least. Only those on a suicide mission need attend.

wnylib

(21,340 posts)
24. That's their plan as far as I can see.
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 05:46 AM
Jan 2021

Surround the nation's capital, take over the seat of government, assassinate the opposition, and provoke insurrection across the country in each state.

I don't think the attacks in each state will be limited to the capitals. There are hate groups and militias in every state, usually based in rural areas, but with followers in towns and cities.

This is too stratigically planned to be the work only of homemade terrorists. There is the hand of foreign infiltration and undercover foreign agents in this.

I have also heard that there are plans to disrupt communications systems. This is not just terrorism. It is war.

wiggs

(7,810 posts)
46. been thinking along the same lines, that the PLANNED demonstrations are distractions for
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 11:17 AM
Jan 2021

something else.

Domestic and/or foreign chaos? And remember, with Trump: cruelty, revenge, and 'getting over' are always the goals...and now they are the goals of the mob.

wnylib

(21,340 posts)
52. I don't know about the riots being
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 01:44 PM
Jan 2021

a distraction for something else. There might have been "something else" activities going on in the attack on the Capitol since offices were ransacked and a laptop was stolen. Looking for useful info, maybe.

But I believe the main goal really is to keep Trump installed in the White House as right wing (fascist) dictator. Trump and Republican politicians would benefit. So would Russia and other nations with hard right leaders/dictators.

In the end, I believe that anti fascist supporters of American democracy will win. Quickly I hope, although realistically, it will take time to crush both the insurrection and the fascist movement. At this point, there are not enough supporters of American fascism for it to succeed, but those numbers will grow if it is not defeated and totally crushed right now.

The really bad thing is that they are showing how insurrections can be done through media propaganda and strategic planning. We need a cultural resurgence of commitment to democracy and better informed understanding among our citizens of how the democratic system works.

Kablooie

(18,610 posts)
19. So the coup has just started
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 03:46 AM
Jan 2021

We've got our very own Homegrown ISIS
How long will this go on I wonder?
Could this be years on end?
Wow.

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
25. 30 years of right-wing hate radio and television have come home to roost
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 06:10 AM
Jan 2021

I am sure the a-holes are all proud of themselves.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
62. THIS ⬆⬆
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 08:17 PM
Jan 2021

TY

We must address the root cause of the sickness of tRumpism. The media cannot continue to feed racism & klanism.

Bring back The Fairness Doctrine.

duforsure

(11,884 posts)
27. Time for trump and his family to all be indicted and charged,
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 06:19 AM
Jan 2021

Then refuse bail . Then round up the major players involved.

yuiyoshida

(41,818 posts)
28. I have a feeling that others besides Ashli Babbitt will die if there are armed protests
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 06:20 AM
Jan 2021

on the other hand, we already have 7,000 dying a day from Covid.

marble falls

(57,010 posts)
34. That's why Trump's been quiet - not losing his social platforms - keeping this all under his hat.
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 08:09 AM
Jan 2021

I hope they aren't briefing Donnie and Mikey.

Harker

(13,976 posts)
43. I'd expect some inflammatory rhetoric from his trip to
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 09:46 AM
Jan 2021

The Alamo.

Ham handed symbolism.

Fight on, heroes, til death... etc.

LudwigPastorius

(9,104 posts)
54. According to the White House, he's not going to THE Alamo,...
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 04:02 PM
Jan 2021

he's going to the town of Alamo.

The mission is in San Antonio, 239 miles to the north.

Understandable to get them confused though. I'm not even sure that Trump knows that he is going to the border town and not the UNESCO World Heritage site.

Ramsey Barner

(349 posts)
39. "Unity" equals a "plot to encircle the U.S. Capitol and assassinate Democrats and some Republicans."
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 08:34 AM
Jan 2021

Clearly a time for more unity, Republican thugs. (Sarcasm)

myohmy2

(3,139 posts)
41. "...three separate plans that could pose serious threats to members of Congress..."
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 09:00 AM
Jan 2021

...you would think there would be laws against threatening and killing members of Congress...

...if not, there should be...

Ford_Prefect

(7,870 posts)
45. Follow The Money! Adelson, Mercer and Putin aren't the only sources of cash in this.
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 11:08 AM
Jan 2021

Neither is Virginia Lamp although she looks a likely suspect.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
49. Pres Elect Joe needs to cancel his Train Trip
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 12:48 PM
Jan 2021

Too dangerous. Trains have to follow the tracks and too many ways to sabotage it.

Nice gesture but not worth the risk.

Maxheader

(4,370 posts)
61. The rightys aren't all that dangerous..
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 08:15 PM
Jan 2021



unless they have a large crowd...And our military should be able to prevent that...
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