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sarchasm

(1,009 posts)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 04:34 AM Feb 2021

Tennessee Lawmakers Introduce Bill To Allow Fathers To Veto Abortions

Source: HuffPost

A bill introduced in the Tennessee General Assembly this week would allow a man who gets a woman pregnant to request an injunction barring her from having an abortion.

The legislation, SB0494 in the Senate and HB1079 in the House, would require a court hearing to be held within 14 days of a petition being filed by the individual seeking an injunction.

At the hearing, if the man can prove that he is the biological father and that there is a “reasonable probability” that the woman would obtain an abortion, the court shall issue an injunction prohibiting her from terminating the pregnancy. Proof of parenthood requires only that the petitioner acknowledges paternity. A DNA test is not required.

If the woman violates the injunction by obtaining an abortion, the court may hold her in civil or criminal contempt. There are no exceptions for rape or incest.

Read more: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tennessee-lawmakers-introduce-bill-allow-fathers-veto-abortions_n_6025ae58c5b6f88289fa797a



...no exceptions for rape or incest. ?!?! WTAF?!! Who are these legislators working for?
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Tennessee Lawmakers Introduce Bill To Allow Fathers To Veto Abortions (Original Post) sarchasm Feb 2021 OP
And the father can support & raise the child 100% himself, if he doesn't have a record of violence, judesedit Feb 2021 #1
That part's just as bad. No woman who was forced by a man to bear a child pnwmom Feb 2021 #5
I hear what you're saying ... nebby70 Feb 2021 #8
The law would force women to bear babies for men, pnwmom Feb 2021 #11
Such is the right's contempt for the Constitution. J_William_Ryan Feb 2021 #2
A reasonable unbiased SCOTUS should throw the law out should it even get passed. cstanleytech Feb 2021 #3
So they are willing to post BlueMTexpat Feb 2021 #4
Too sad for words. Wrong on so many counts. Alwaysna Feb 2021 #6
On Purpose mezame Feb 2021 #7
ouch ... nebby70 Feb 2021 #9
It'll Get Better... mezame Feb 2021 #10
Women will just stop telling avebury Feb 2021 #12
I would hope so! Glad to see your post. Thank you. I hadn't thought of that. ⭐️ Judi Lynn Feb 2021 #15
Keep in mind that this is Tennessee Scalded Nun Feb 2021 #26
They won't tell and then will go to Illinois or New York on a "vacation". roamer65 Feb 2021 #33
If it is surgically possible... mwooldri Feb 2021 #13
Bingo. safeinOhio Feb 2021 #14
Proof of biological fatherhood, in vitro? bucolic_frolic Feb 2021 #16
I seem to recall papa3times Feb 2021 #17
Could this be a stepping stone, gab13by13 Feb 2021 #18
They know the law is illegal. Lonestarblue Feb 2021 #19
Maybe there's an element of projection and cya here. ananda Feb 2021 #20
Bad medical practice, bad legal practice, and terrible moral practice. Ford_Prefect Feb 2021 #21
Is he ordered to pay for all medical expenses and the equivalent of sinkingfeeling Feb 2021 #22
Democrats need to attach a rider to the bill that triples taxes on all male residents. Efilroft Sul Feb 2021 #23
No Surprise But Disturbing colsohlibgal Feb 2021 #24
So IOW, rapists get to pick the mother of their children. I swear, all of these bullwinkle428 Feb 2021 #25
they keep pushing this nonsense on us and the courts say no. AllaN01Bear Feb 2021 #27
And the WAR ON WOMEN continues apace. Would you consider cross-posting this in Women's niyad Feb 2021 #28
done! sarchasm Feb 2021 #30
Thank you so much! niyad Feb 2021 #32
A DNA test is not required. July Feb 2021 #29
Lonestarblue has it right IMO... sarchasm Feb 2021 #31
This is what they really want, patriarchal control Warpy Feb 2021 #34
Injunction to be granted ONLY after he has a watermelon seed implanted in his arse - NotANeocon Feb 2021 #35
Maybe she can donate the fertilized egg? Griefbird Feb 2021 #36
How about a law requiring a court order thucythucy Feb 2021 #37
This is ghoulish. kimmylavin Feb 2021 #38
No one i would date Marthe48 Feb 2021 #41
So what if the woman doesn't declare the father? mdbl Feb 2021 #39
can someone pass a law where mother gets to ban the pregnancy? Marthe48 Feb 2021 #40
How many of these right to life CRK7376 Feb 2021 #42

judesedit

(4,437 posts)
1. And the father can support & raise the child 100% himself, if he doesn't have a record of violence,
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 04:46 AM
Feb 2021

child pornography or molestation. Funny how they never mention that part. It should go hand in hand automatically, if these types of laws are passed. And if he does have that type of record, he shouldn't have a say at all.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
5. That part's just as bad. No woman who was forced by a man to bear a child
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 05:59 AM
Feb 2021

would want to go through a whole pregnancy in order to hand it over to him.

nebby70

(471 posts)
8. I hear what you're saying ...
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 06:26 AM
Feb 2021

... but judesedit has a totally great point ...
... the onus of raising/funding must be there for men ....
... if only men had half an idea of responsibility ...
(of course, the men here at DU are not included in this statement - but the kind of guy who wants to subjugate women stink)

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
11. The law would force women to bear babies for men,
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 06:44 AM
Feb 2021

as long as the men were willing to pay for it.

J_William_Ryan

(1,736 posts)
2. Such is the right's contempt for the Constitution.
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 04:51 AM
Feb 2021

The Supreme Court has previously ruled that such legislation is un-Constitutional in Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

cstanleytech

(26,087 posts)
3. A reasonable unbiased SCOTUS should throw the law out should it even get passed.
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 05:01 AM
Feb 2021

Unfortunately considering the makeup of the current SCOTUS I would not be willing to wager that they will be reasonable and unbiased.

BlueMTexpat

(15,350 posts)
4. So they are willing to post
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 05:42 AM
Feb 2021

enough bond that will feed, clothe, nurture and educate that child through his/her college education?

No, their only concern stops at birth!

Enough of these assaults on women!

mezame

(295 posts)
7. On Purpose
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 06:17 AM
Feb 2021

Arkansas, now TN, losing track honestly, but in addition to the hundreds of voter suppression and redistricting bills, the GQP is intentionally clogging the courts with garp on purpose. They KNOW this shit is Unconstitutional. Classic redirection tactic to keep us busy fighting on all fronts. But this Religious Liberty mindfuck should be used to strip medical qualifications from doctors who swore their Hippocratic Oath. But from what they've seen in the Senate Chamber yesterday, they're certainly emboldened to disregard oaths entirely.

nebby70

(471 posts)
9. ouch ...
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 06:30 AM
Feb 2021

... spot on, but ouch ...
hadn't thought of it in that light... but you're most likely correct ...
.... sigh..... when does it get better?

.

avebury

(10,946 posts)
12. Women will just stop telling
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 07:26 AM
Feb 2021

their partner and obtain an abortion. No doctor, I don't know who the father is.

roamer65

(36,739 posts)
33. They won't tell and then will go to Illinois or New York on a "vacation".
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 01:35 PM
Feb 2021

Women have full rights to their bodies and this crap law won’t stop it.

mwooldri

(10,291 posts)
13. If it is surgically possible...
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 07:33 AM
Feb 2021

... for an embryo or foetus to be transferred from a mother to a father for the father to carry to term, give birth to, and care for... Then at that time we can discuss fathers having the right to "veto" abortions. Until then... Just nope. Unconstitutional.

bucolic_frolic

(42,681 posts)
16. Proof of biological fatherhood, in vitro?
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:02 AM
Feb 2021

I see some holes there. The woman must consent to DNA testing, the in vitro technology must exist, and all this must occur quickly. Or the woman must swear he is the father, and if he drags you into court to force you to have his child, things are not going so well, are they? So the woman would say, 'you can bet your sweet ass you're not the father'. i think this whole legislation is destined to an epic fail.

papa3times

(150 posts)
17. I seem to recall
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:16 AM
Feb 2021

a case many years ago that went to the Supreme Court where some guy tried to keep his wife or girlfriend from getting an abortion and the case ruled in favor of the woman?

Lonestarblue

(9,881 posts)
19. They know the law is illegal.
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:56 AM
Feb 2021

The goal is probably an attempt to get another case before the SC to give them an excuse to overturn Roe. I don’t think this would be a case the SC would accept if a lower court blocks it because it so clearly violates a woman’s rights and the only proof of paternity required is the man’s word. I can easily see some anti-abortion men hanging around Planned Parenthood and then claiming they’re the father to prevent abortions. And if the woman denies she even knows the man, what proof does the court have if it’s just his word against hers? What a stupid law.

Ford_Prefect

(7,830 posts)
21. Bad medical practice, bad legal practice, and terrible moral practice.
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:19 AM
Feb 2021

The courts would see it from that view. The law makes a special subjugated class of pregnant women, and disallows their receiving correct and proper medical care to the favor of those men who claim presumed fatherhood.

In another view any man who makes any woman pregnant effectively owns her body and her life for at least 9 months. That seems to be slavery by impregnation or rape, which I think is covered under the treaties and international war crimes laws we are party to.

In either case this is a repeat of what we have seen before: dominating women's lives through absurd and unconstitutional legislation as a part of the larger distraction.

It is inaccurate to say these legislators do not care about the effect on women. They are quite passionate about having women as servants to childbearing and raising. They treat women as cattle to be bred and as comfort agents to be used for a purpose. They are equally passionate about women owing men a duty to service them and bear children. It seems to me what they are most consistently passionate about is that women exist as a sub-set of male owned society. They are also certain that women should accept this position and indeed vote for it.

I'm full of contempt for men like these, and for women who support their abusive actions and bad lawmaking. The institution formerly known as the Republican party has now gone backwards once more and are being well paid to do so.

sinkingfeeling

(51,280 posts)
22. Is he ordered to pay for all medical expenses and the equivalent of
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:25 AM
Feb 2021

her salary for all nine months? Is he required to show the court he is financially able to pay for child support, all insurance needs for the child, and all necessary child care for 18 years?
Those should be conditions before he's even allowed to petition the court.

Efilroft Sul

(3,573 posts)
23. Democrats need to attach a rider to the bill that triples taxes on all male residents.
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:27 AM
Feb 2021

No exceptions for religion or party affiliation.

Tennessee doesn't have a state income tax, but the rider should triple taxes on men for municipal items such as first responder services, infrastructure, roads, schools, etc. Let's see how long they support this bill when taxes are involved.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
24. No Surprise But Disturbing
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:42 AM
Feb 2021

As I think Rosie O’Donnell said if men were the ones having the babies Abortion Clinics would be on every Street corner in the Country like McDonalds.

bullwinkle428

(20,627 posts)
25. So IOW, rapists get to pick the mother of their children. I swear, all of these
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:43 AM
Feb 2021

red states are competing to see who is the biggest shit-show. Iowa is pushing another "bathroom bill", along with an effort to prevent anything related to the 1619 Project from being taught in the classroom.

AllaN01Bear

(17,384 posts)
27. they keep pushing this nonsense on us and the courts say no.
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:51 AM
Feb 2021

and yet they still do it. how does this pave roads . pay for schools and ballance the budget?

niyad

(112,440 posts)
28. And the WAR ON WOMEN continues apace. Would you consider cross-posting this in Women's
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 10:03 AM
Feb 2021

Rights And Issues? Thanks in advance.

July

(4,750 posts)
29. A DNA test is not required.
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 10:35 AM
Feb 2021

WTAF?

So what is to stop a malicious anti-abortion male from claiming paternity even if he is not the potential father, just to halt or delay an abortion?

This cannot be constitutional.

sarchasm

(1,009 posts)
31. Lonestarblue has it right IMO...
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 12:22 PM
Feb 2021

Perhaps, knowing it would be challenged, most likely a ruse to get it before the SC.

Warpy

(110,913 posts)
34. This is what they really want, patriarchal control
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 03:18 PM
Feb 2021

They obviously don't give a flying fuck about women or children. What they do want is absolute control over all of it.

NotANeocon

(423 posts)
35. Injunction to be granted ONLY after he has a watermelon seed implanted in his arse -
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 03:42 PM
Feb 2021

- and then has his arse sewn shut until the watermelon is brought "to term" and delivery is completed by episiotomy (cut the opening to about 6&quot without anaesthestic.

He must also have created a trust account containing enough money to maintain and educate a child to the age of 25 and enough to support the human incubator for another 60 years or until death since the fetal blood will attack her immune system that long.

thucythucy

(7,986 posts)
37. How about a law requiring a court order
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 06:05 PM
Feb 2021

before a dead beat dad can ever have sex with any woman again after his first missed child support payment?

And every time thereafter?

kimmylavin

(2,284 posts)
38. This is ghoulish.
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 07:05 PM
Feb 2021

And I completely understand the calls to force the man to be able to pay, or prove he can pay for a child.

But please step back.
That view is - once again - erasing the pregnant person from this picture.

This is forced birth, at the direction of someone who - due to the inevitable legal issues that would come from a man forcing a woman in to court to have his baby - would not have the best interests of the woman in mind.

Women DIE during pregnancy, and during childbirth.
Pregnancy takes an enormous toll on our bodies.
Not to mention the mental strain that comes from a pregnancy, no matter what outcome you're planning for.
That's why decisions about pregnancy should only include the pregnant person and their doctor - with any asked-for input from a partner or family member.

This bill is disgusting, and clearly ripe for abuse.
Reproductive coercion is already a major problem - this would just trap people!

Who ARE these people, devoting so much time and energy to controlling others?

Marthe48

(16,696 posts)
41. No one i would date
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 07:58 PM
Feb 2021

that's for damn sure. Not when I was young and not now. While I'm out of the running for women's rights to affect my life, I'll never stop supporting women's rights and encouraging women to take and use what they already have.


CRK7376

(2,190 posts)
42. How many of these right to life
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:45 PM
Feb 2021

impregnators are going to pay the bills and raise the children once the child leaves the womb..., bet they try to add something to that bill that would force the women into financial responsibility too.....

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