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Judi Lynn

(160,211 posts)
Thu May 13, 2021, 07:21 AM May 2021

McConnell privately assures GOP that Kyrsten Sinema will kill Biden's tax hike: report

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Source: Salon


Igor Derysh 52 mins ago

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has privately assured his Republican colleagues that centrist Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Ariz., is likely to block President Joe Biden's proposed tax hikes on the wealthy and corporations, according to The Washington Post.

Biden has introduced a $2.3 trillion infrastructure plan that would be paid for with tax increases on corporations and a $1.8 trillion "American Families Plan" that would be funded with higher taxes on the wealthy and investors and increased IRS enforcement. Republicans are pushing a much smaller infrastructure counterproposal that would shift the tax burden from corporations to workers, and have loudly objected to the proposed tax increases. McConnell, however, does not seem worried about the hikes clearing the 50-50 Senate where a single Democrat can block any party-line vote.

McConnell has privately "reassured allies of Democrats' long odds in approving tax hikes, pointing in particular to the voting record of Sen. Kyrsten Sinema," according to the Post.

That suggests McConnell sees Sinema as a bigger impediment to Biden's proposals than Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., who has called for raising taxes to pay for an infrastructure proposal as large as $4 trillion but wants a smaller increase on corporate taxes. Manchin has also rejected gas taxes and user fees proposed by Republicans as a tax on workers and commuters.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mcconnell-privately-assures-gop-that-kyrsten-sinema-will-kill-bidens-tax-hike-report/ar-BB1gGXhn?li=BBnb7Kz

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McConnell privately assures GOP that Kyrsten Sinema will kill Biden's tax hike: report (Original Post) Judi Lynn May 2021 OP
Pass it without the tax hikes. speak easy May 2021 #1
Doesn't work that way. LiberalFighter May 2021 #30
It's very disturbing that sinema is so close to mcconnell. mucifer May 2021 #2
Curious as well bucolic_frolic May 2021 #4
We do not know that! True Blue American May 2021 #5
I was watching a vote on CSPAN and she was hanging with mitch talking with him not with dems mucifer May 2021 #7
That is equally disturbing PatSeg May 2021 #20
She's all about winning. Wants power and is self-dealing. Texin May 2021 #22
Oh okay, that explains a bit PatSeg May 2021 #32
She can also turn on a dime. True Blue American May 2021 #25
There's no indication of that Deminpenn May 2021 #21
Is she a Republican plant? ananda May 2021 #24
I don't think she is. I really doubt the "veracity" of this story. George II May 2021 #35
Then bring to the floor a bill to raise taxes True Blue American May 2021 #3
This is what I can't figure out moose65 May 2021 #18
Why is she Rebl2 May 2021 #27
I think that is what it is PatSeg May 2021 #33
No. Mark Kelly is serving the remainder of John McCain's term amb123 May 2021 #36
She was elected in 2018 nt AZSkiffyGeek May 2021 #42
This will come in handy for whoever runs against her Fullduplexxx May 2021 #6
It may. Hopefully. However....... jaxexpat May 2021 #11
I think McConnell is trolling libs ArizonaLib May 2021 #8
If true, Sen. Sienna will enjoy a single term. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #9
That is true if they even understand what taxes really are in the first place. jaxexpat May 2021 #16
The American Pie - Americans have no idea how few crumbs they actually get. CrispyQ May 2021 #23
Friend of mine volunteers in Habitat for Humanity... Kid Berwyn May 2021 #44
Beware of leaks especially from the GOPs. . .. Lovie777 May 2021 #10
I wonder if there's any chance Senator Mark Kelly's (D-Arizona) identical brother Scott would LaMouffette May 2021 #12
I think he's in Texas? nt AZSkiffyGeek May 2021 #43
Sinema has proven to be a person of low character but I wouldn't trust a word out of ... Botany May 2021 #13
With or without curtsy?..I wonder. FalloutShelter May 2021 #14
If this is accurate, then Sen. Sinema has changed a lot. She was a Nader supporter JohnSJ May 2021 #15
What happened to her? UCmeNdc May 2021 #28
It is such a dramatic shift. I would like to think she can be reasoned with why the tax increases JohnSJ May 2021 #29
JFC...I need a drink and its only 9:00 AM..... turbinetree May 2021 #17
So McConnell Has The Inside Track On Sinema.... global1 May 2021 #19
Biden met with her 1 on 1 on Tuesday. Nt Fiendish Thingy May 2021 #39
Manchin is folding, yes on a lower number but he is folding. That would leave just her PortTack May 2021 #26
Have any Dems asked Sinema? IronLionZion May 2021 #31
Time to sit down with the two DINOs and negotiate Warpy May 2021 #34
And if that doesn't work- end their careers as anti-democracy disruptors. Nt Fiendish Thingy May 2021 #38
Blue Dogs are always vulnerable in elections Warpy May 2021 #40
Time for billboards and media ads in AZ to hold Sinema accountable. Nt Fiendish Thingy May 2021 #37
so sickening if true--- arrgghhh!!!! LymphocyteLover May 2021 #41
After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING Omaha Steve May 2021 #45

speak easy

(9,097 posts)
1. Pass it without the tax hikes.
Thu May 13, 2021, 07:24 AM
May 2021

Get the spending program on the books. Start working hard on the midterms.

LiberalFighter

(50,477 posts)
30. Doesn't work that way.
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:40 AM
May 2021

Spending bills must have a way to pay for them.

mucifer

(23,371 posts)
2. It's very disturbing that sinema is so close to mcconnell.
Thu May 13, 2021, 07:26 AM
May 2021

bucolic_frolic

(42,659 posts)
4. Curious as well
Thu May 13, 2021, 07:31 AM
May 2021

He's got her ear on re-election? Or he has some pressure point.

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
5. We do not know that!
Thu May 13, 2021, 07:32 AM
May 2021

Mitch bluff? He has nothing else left. Whistling in the dark!

mucifer

(23,371 posts)
7. I was watching a vote on CSPAN and she was hanging with mitch talking with him not with dems
Thu May 13, 2021, 07:55 AM
May 2021

PatSeg

(46,773 posts)
20. That is equally disturbing
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:38 AM
May 2021

Is she really a Democrat?

Texin

(2,585 posts)
22. She's all about winning. Wants power and is self-dealing.
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:47 AM
May 2021

Her only reason for affiliating as a Dem is all about her bisexuality and her support of LGBTQ rights. At one time she described herself as a libertarian.

PatSeg

(46,773 posts)
32. Oh okay, that explains a bit
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:55 AM
May 2021

"Libertarian"? She possibly thought she'd do better running as a Democrat in the current political climate. She did win, but I wonder if she can hold on to that seat.

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
25. She can also turn on a dime.
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:21 AM
May 2021

Deminpenn

(15,246 posts)
21. There's no indication of that
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:46 AM
May 2021

The article refers to McConnell pointing out her voting record on taxes, not to any specific conversations he's had with her.

ananda

(28,780 posts)
24. Is she a Republican plant?
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:12 AM
May 2021

???

George II

(67,782 posts)
35. I don't think she is. I really doubt the "veracity" of this story.
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:38 AM
May 2021

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
3. Then bring to the floor a bill to raise taxes
Thu May 13, 2021, 07:30 AM
May 2021

Let Sinema vote no! Throw her out of the Senate, get a decent Democrat in.

Mitch is grasping at any straw to hang on. He tried the block speech. Biden laughed at him, said he did that before!

Biden has been around longer than Mitch. That is why he is inviting Republicans in. Mitch is now brain dead.

moose65

(3,164 posts)
18. This is what I can't figure out
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:20 AM
May 2021

Both Sinema and Manchin won't be up for reelection until 2024. That's 3.5 years away, and it's an eternity in politics. By that point, all of this will be ancient history. Voters generally don't care what a politician did 3 years ago. Whatever they vote on now will be long forgotten by then. No one remembers individual votes, really.

Rebl2

(13,301 posts)
27. Why is she
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:22 AM
May 2021

up for re-election in 2024. Shouldn’t it be 2026? Is she finishing out the term of McCain?

PatSeg

(46,773 posts)
33. I think that is what it is
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:56 AM
May 2021

I didn't realize that.

amb123

(1,576 posts)
36. No. Mark Kelly is serving the remainder of John McCain's term
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:42 AM
May 2021

and is up for election for a full six-year term in 2022. Sinema defeated Martha McSally for a full six-year term and is up for re-election in 2024.

AZSkiffyGeek

(10,787 posts)
42. She was elected in 2018 nt
Thu May 13, 2021, 12:14 PM
May 2021

Fullduplexxx

(7,818 posts)
6. This will come in handy for whoever runs against her
Thu May 13, 2021, 07:44 AM
May 2021

jaxexpat

(6,700 posts)
11. It may. Hopefully. However.......
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:11 AM
May 2021

There is still the unknown of: is Arizona's demographic susceptible to societal shifts in political temperament? That goes for every red or purple state and we won't know the truth until the ballots are counted for the 2022 election.

So many, even in Arizona, have been told they're "conservatives" for so long that they actually believe it. It's ALL they believe in and for some, how many?, there has been no awakening to the new world order. The one where wall-to-wall lies and self-delusion are just not palatable.

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
8. I think McConnell is trolling libs
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:05 AM
May 2021

She has been a little timid, as a Dem in a red state. I work and grew up in her old house district and it is the former college townish more liberal area of the south valley in Phoenix Metro. She needs a couple or at least one more election cycle to settle in. The headlines bother me, but if she ran as Republican, elections would be easier for but she runs as a Democrat. The purpling and bluing of the state almost requires she play it safe to keep it safe for Dems - for now. The more the state turns away from voting auto red, the more liberal she will message and of course, vote.

Manchin is frustrating, but he knows what he needs to run on in typical elections. The question is - is there such thing as a typical election or does he need to run on liberal working class messaging and voting records?

Kid Berwyn

(14,642 posts)
9. If true, Sen. Sienna will enjoy a single term.
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:06 AM
May 2021

Not even a majority of Republicans like seeing the wealthy escape untaxed.

jaxexpat

(6,700 posts)
16. That is true if they even understand what taxes really are in the first place.
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:47 AM
May 2021

They have been Pavlovially programmed to think that taxes on the wealthy are "job killers" and "death taxes". Their understanding is framed in the concept that taxes on wealthy are an unfair punishment for success. That's the only way they can conceptualize it and since they have no chance of associating, much less identifying, with wealthy people, they have no opportunity for insight to disabuse their misunderstanding. Most of them THINK they're already upper middle class which means, to their thinking, they're only a small step below "rich".

They do not know or accept the fact that virtually ALL the wealthy in America today connect that status to inherited, unearned, attributes. For instance: multi-generational investment and property assets, environmental experience of exposure to wealth and familial traditions of financial education and political influence, the fortunes of genetic selection such as health and IQ.

But, lets be honest, it's mostly inheriting so much that you simply couldn't squander it all in a single generation if you tried. Fact, Donald Trump was never really "wealthy". First and second generations of criminal "empires" rarely ever are.

CrispyQ

(36,221 posts)
23. The American Pie - Americans have no idea how few crumbs they actually get.
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:04 AM
May 2021

The good part starts about 50 seconds in.

Kid Berwyn

(14,642 posts)
44. Friend of mine volunteers in Habitat for Humanity...
Thu May 13, 2021, 01:00 PM
May 2021

She explained an important part of their work has to do with developing financial literacy, helping people understand the importance of home ownership and family wealth. I learned that people who receive support from the organization usually have to pay for the home, or at least contribute a sizable percentage of its cost. It helps to pay for materials, but also demonstrates how the home holds wealth. People want to keep up their home and protect their investment. And passing it on to the children is the cornerstone for building wealth long term.

Who else helps the poor own a piece of the action? People are locked in poverty for generations because that helps “keep them in their place.” Meanwhile, landlords like Fred the Klansman and Donny NAZI get wealthier and wealthier. And Congress — and jurists like Clarence Thomas — work for them who can pay.

Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

Lovie777

(11,986 posts)
10. Beware of leaks especially from the GOPs. . ..
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:09 AM
May 2021

LaMouffette

(2,009 posts)
12. I wonder if there's any chance Senator Mark Kelly's (D-Arizona) identical brother Scott would
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:12 AM
May 2021

run for the Senate. I don't know if he lives in Arizona, but that would be great if Scott Kelly ran and beat Sinema. And they're both retired astronauts, too. How cool is that? I'm assuming Scott is a Democrat, which I probably shouldn't do, but if he is, that'd be awesome if they were both in the Senate.

AZSkiffyGeek

(10,787 posts)
43. I think he's in Texas? nt
Thu May 13, 2021, 12:35 PM
May 2021

Botany

(70,281 posts)
13. Sinema has proven to be a person of low character but I wouldn't trust a word out of ...
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:12 AM
May 2021

... McConnell's mouth.

FalloutShelter

(11,747 posts)
14. With or without curtsy?..I wonder.
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:14 AM
May 2021

JohnSJ

(91,937 posts)
15. If this is accurate, then Sen. Sinema has changed a lot. She was a Nader supporter
Thu May 13, 2021, 08:36 AM
May 2021

previously:

"Sinema began her political career in the Arizona Green Party before joining the Arizona Democratic Party in 2004.

In 2000, Sinema worked on Ralph Nader's presidential campaign.[29] In 2001 and 2002, she ran for local elected offices as an independent and lost.[24] In 2002, The Arizona Republic published a letter from Sinema criticizing capitalism. "Until the average American realizes that capitalism damages her livelihood while augmenting the livelihoods of the wealthy, the Almighty Dollar will continue to rule", she wrote.[30]

While in the Green Party, Sinema was its local spokesperson, working to repeal the death penalty and organizing antiwar protests.[31] She had organized 15 antiwar rallies by the time the Iraq War began.[24] She also opposed the war in Afghanistan.[24] During a February 15, 2003 protest in Patriot's Square Park in Phoenix, a group led by Sinema distributed flyers portraying a U.S. servicemember as a skeleton "inflicting 'U.S. terror' in Iraq and the Middle East".[24] (A representative of Sinema has said that Sinema did not "approve or design" the flyers.[32]) In a 2003 opinion piece, Sinema declared that Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush were "the real Saddam and Osama lovers".[32] When asked on a local radio show whether she would oppose someone joining the Taliban and fighting on its behalf, Sinema responded, "Fine ... I don't care if you want to do that, go ahead."[24] During 2005 and 2006, Sinema co-hosted a radio show with 9/11 truther Jeff Farias.[24]"

and today:

"Following her election to Congress, Sinema shifted toward the political center, joining the conservative Democratic Blue Dog Coalition and the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus and amassing a "reliably moderate-Democratic" voting record.[77] Sinema worked for the adoption of the DREAM Act,[78] even hiring DREAM Act advocate Erika Andiola as a district outreach staffer.[79]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrsten_Sinema#Early_political_involvement

If these accounts are accurate, it appears to me that Sen. Sinema is more interesting in getting attention then actually helping people

UCmeNdc

(9,589 posts)
28. What happened to her?
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:23 AM
May 2021

JohnSJ

(91,937 posts)
29. It is such a dramatic shift. I would like to think she can be reasoned with why the tax increases
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:32 AM
May 2021

are necessary on those most able to afford it to help pay for the infrastructure bill


turbinetree

(24,631 posts)
17. JFC...I need a drink and its only 9:00 AM.....
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:06 AM
May 2021

global1

(25,166 posts)
19. So McConnell Has The Inside Track On Sinema....
Thu May 13, 2021, 09:20 AM
May 2021

Has Schumer sat down and talked with Sinema?

Fiendish Thingy

(15,361 posts)
39. Biden met with her 1 on 1 on Tuesday. Nt
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:49 AM
May 2021

PortTack

(32,605 posts)
26. Manchin is folding, yes on a lower number but he is folding. That would leave just her
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:22 AM
May 2021

She will fold

IronLionZion

(45,252 posts)
31. Have any Dems asked Sinema?
Thu May 13, 2021, 10:41 AM
May 2021

McConnell could be full of it

Warpy

(110,900 posts)
34. Time to sit down with the two DINOs and negotiate
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:31 AM
May 2021

and if that doesn't work, twist their arms.

The government needs to increase revenue thanks to Dumdum's reckless tax cuts in combination with the Covid disaster. They can raise taxes on the rich and corporate, or they can raise wages at the bottom and increase tax revenues that way. Ideally, they need to do both, but those two DINOs will never accept that.

It's what you do with balky toddlers, you offer them two bad choices and let them choose (bath time or bed time?).

Fiendish Thingy

(15,361 posts)
38. And if that doesn't work- end their careers as anti-democracy disruptors. Nt
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:48 AM
May 2021

Warpy

(110,900 posts)
40. Blue Dogs are always vulnerable in elections
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:53 AM
May 2021

as their constituents decide to vote for the real thing and replace them with Republicans. Only rarely does a progressive run in those states and win, although it has happened in the past. Mostly, state parties are afraid to let them run.

I don't know enough about Sinama's votes to make much of a determination, but Manchin had a 53% progressive rating last year, putting him far ahead of the "moderate" Murkowski, who clocked in at 20%. He's marginally better than a GOP.

https://www.progressivepunch.org/ is a great site to track votes and ratings.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,361 posts)
37. Time for billboards and media ads in AZ to hold Sinema accountable. Nt
Thu May 13, 2021, 11:47 AM
May 2021

LymphocyteLover

(5,601 posts)
41. so sickening if true--- arrgghhh!!!!
Thu May 13, 2021, 12:11 PM
May 2021

WTF happened to once far lefty Sinema???

Omaha Steve

(99,056 posts)
45. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING
Thu May 13, 2021, 01:16 PM
May 2021

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