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Fri Apr 1, 2022, 01:17 PM

Democrats see hope for a clean energy bill, but Manchin is adding a new hurdle: More funding for fos

Source: CNN

Democrats see hope for a clean energy bill, but Manchin is adding a new hurdle: More funding for fossil fuels

(CNN)Congressional Democrats are cautiously optimistic to see Sen. Joe Manchin back at the table on the clean energy bill he previously declared "dead." The senator has been engaging with the White House on measures that could be included in a new package, and recently met with US Climate Envoy John Kerry over dinner in Paris.

But there's a new potential roadblock: Manchin now wants to include funding for more fossil fuel infrastructure in the US, in part because of the energy crisis in Europe.

"You have to," Manchin told CNN earlier this week. "You want to be Europe? You can't leave yourself vulnerable. The US has to be energy independent. You have to have infrastructure to do that, and you can't just shut them down or kill them with a thousand cuts."

Exactly how much money Manchin wants to dedicate to fossil fuels compared to investments in clean energy is so far unclear, as his conversations with the White House continue.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/01/politics/climate-clean-energy-bill-fossil-fuels-manchin/index.html

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Reply Democrats see hope for a clean energy bill, but Manchin is adding a new hurdle: More funding for fos (Original post)
Polybius Apr 2022 OP
exboyfil Apr 2022 #1
Fiendish Thingy Apr 2022 #2
Polybius Apr 2022 #4
FBaggins Apr 2022 #7
Fiendish Thingy Apr 2022 #10
FBaggins Apr 2022 #11
BlueJac Apr 2022 #3
pandr32 Apr 2022 #8
gab13by13 Apr 2022 #5
elleng Apr 2022 #6
Warpy Apr 2022 #9
ificandream Apr 2022 #12
TiberiusB Apr 2022 #13
sakabatou Apr 2022 #14
BlueIdaho Apr 2022 #15
GB_RN Apr 2022 #16
colorado_ufo Apr 2022 #17

Response to Polybius (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2022, 01:19 PM

1. So you can destroy more of your beautiful state

Makes sense to me.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2022, 01:20 PM

2. Can't congress pass the bill with Manchin's language, and then Biden issue a signing statement

That he won’t implement that section of the bill?

BushII issued signing statements declining to implement sections of bills all the time…

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 1, 2022, 01:37 PM

4. That would require a line-item veto

It was ruled unconstitutional in 1996, and rightly so.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/supcourt/stories/wp062698.htm

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 1, 2022, 01:54 PM

7. Obama issued signing statements too

As did Trump and as has Biden (though only three that I know of so far).

The problem is that it can't be "I don't like this part". Signing statements are essentially the president's belief that one or more parts of a bill are unconstitutional and thus cannot be enforced (or trample on some executive power - which is much the same thing). It would be pretty difficult to pretend that a line funding some oil infrastructure project was unconstitutional.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 1, 2022, 02:27 PM

10. Unless...a certain senator had a financial interest in that portion of the bill...

I can dream can’t I?

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 1, 2022, 02:31 PM

11. You may certainly dream

But a senator having a financial interest in part of a bill would have no impact on the constitutionality of the bill. It's the kind of thing you put in campaign ads, it isn't something that undoes the passage of the bill (let along individual segments of a bill).

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2022, 01:33 PM

3. I am so sick of Joe Manchin...

Always getting in the way of good legislation, that he must poison to get it passed! Total Bullshit!

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Response to BlueJac (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 1, 2022, 02:01 PM

8. Fossil Fuels are his bread and butter

Until we firmly draw a line between investments and legislation he will continue to protect his interests.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2022, 01:39 PM

5. Over 50 years ago our president, Nixon,

gave a speech proclaiming that the United States must not be held hostage by fossil fuel countries, we must wean ourselves from fossil fuels and become energy independent.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2022, 01:43 PM

6. 'in part because of the energy crisis in Europe.' is his excuse.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2022, 02:21 PM

9. If that man isn't making enough money on fossil fuels NOW

with the Russians being shut out of the market, then he never will.

This kind of naked greed, in a Congress full of Republicans, is just mind boggling.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2022, 03:20 PM

12. Being energy independent doesn't mean more coal, Joe Boy.

Coal is dying. And the sooner the better for the health of the nation.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2022, 03:20 PM

13. He is, of course, lying

The U.S. is a net exporter of oil and gas. If oil wasn't simply dumped into the world market and held for domestic use, we would have enough. None of which helps alleviate the environmental damage being done.

Manchin's gonna Manchin. It's all theater.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2022, 03:25 PM

14. Of course Manchin would help his own buddies.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2022, 03:35 PM

15. There is no hope as long as ManChin obstructs our agenda.

Let’s work to increase our Senate majority so we can ignore Maserati Man.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Sat Apr 2, 2022, 10:28 AM

16. If This Is what We Have To Do...

To get what we want right now, toss the dog his bone. Otherwise, we’ll get nothing done and the GOPQ will have a talking point for the election about how the Democrats did nothing for two years, regardless of how true it may/not have been. Public perception is the reality.

We can go back and pull that money later, if we have more (real) Democrats who are actually on board with the agenda.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Sat Apr 2, 2022, 07:16 PM

17. Why do we subsidize fossil fuels that are making record profits?

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