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Lasher

(27,500 posts)
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 02:56 PM Jul 2022

Sinema indicates she may want to change Schumer-Manchin deal

Source: Axios

Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) had a message for her Democratic colleagues before she flew home to Arizona for the weekend: She's preserving her options.

Why it matters: Sinema has leverage and she knows it. Any potential modification to the Democrat's climate and deficit reduction package — like knocking out the $14 billion provision on carried interest — could cause the fragile deal to collapse.

Her posture is causing something between angst and fear in the Democratic caucus as senators wait for her to render a verdict on the secret deal announced by Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Sen. Joe Manchin last Thursday.

Driving the news: Sinema has given no assurances to colleagues that she’ll vote along party lines in the so-called “vote-a-rama” for the $740 billion bill next week, according to people familiar with the matter.

Read more: https://www.axios.com/2022/07/30/sinema-schumer-manchin-deal-democrats



We might have celebrated too soon.
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Sinema indicates she may want to change Schumer-Manchin deal (Original Post) Lasher Jul 2022 OP
I hope she's enjoyed... SergeStorms Jul 2022 #1
yeah she's always been in this to sell her votes and line up the lobbying job afterwards Takket Jul 2022 #3
Agreed. Talk about not living up to the office. She's made a... brush Jul 2022 #6
As a Senator, has Sinema ever STOOD FOR ANYTHING? Eyeball_Kid Jul 2022 #14
Changing to year round DST AZLD4Candidate Jul 2022 #24
We in AZ are going to primary her ass as soon as we can! AZLD4Candidate Jul 2022 #23
I hope so! FakeNoose Jul 2022 #32
I just hope republicans don't play games and change registration and vote for her jimfields33 Jul 2022 #68
Who is Rebl2 Jul 2022 #52
Raul Grijalva has been asked to run by many in AZ. vsrazdem Jul 2022 #63
Try 7 figure bermudat Jul 2022 #83
That ONE phucking person can literally kill democracy has got to phucking STOP NotHardly Jul 2022 #86
Restore democracy -- abolish the filibuster. n/t LastLiberal in PalmSprings Aug 2022 #89
Here we go. durablend Jul 2022 #2
I don't understand why she wasn't included in the Schumer/Manchin talks. femmedem Jul 2022 #7
I have no confidence that she would bargain in good faith if included. Mister Ed Jul 2022 #8
Then why even try to make a deal?!! What's the mucifer Jul 2022 #11
Who knows? Mister Ed Jul 2022 #16
Just need one billionaire to pay her off mucifer Jul 2022 #41
Frankly, given his recent past, Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #27
No one was included. Sinema would have run to turtle and spilled the beans causing the CHIPS PortTack Jul 2022 #12
That's probably the answer right there. n/t Mister Ed Jul 2022 #17
Yep duckworth969 Jul 2022 #44
I think you're right. femmedem Jul 2022 #45
Yup... 2naSalit Jul 2022 #77
it's pretty clear qazplm135 Jul 2022 #28
Agree with your analysis. nt BootinUp Jul 2022 #46
Yes, I think you are correct. femmedem Jul 2022 #47
Because she and manchin are playing a game quakerboy Jul 2022 #88
I hate her. I knew she would do this . Someone is paying her off greedy and evil mucifer Jul 2022 #4
I may be a little too optimistic but agingdem Jul 2022 #42
You might be right. Manchin really is a much more competent comradebillyboy Jul 2022 #48
Manchin has been a "red line" drawer since Biden became president. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2022 #53
Without those two Democratic senators Mitch McConnel would comradebillyboy Jul 2022 #54
I agree... agingdem Jul 2022 #65
No need to go there. intheflow Jul 2022 #81
Hating someone is like drinking poison tavernier Jul 2022 #60
Will gladly donate to Raul Grijalva's campaign to primary Sinema. aeromanKC Jul 2022 #5
fuck sinema markie Jul 2022 #9
I am so effing sick of these two wryter2000 Jul 2022 #10
Only if we keep the house mucifer Jul 2022 #13
Very true about getting anything done wryter2000 Jul 2022 #19
There's Lucy grabbing the football again IronLionZion Jul 2022 #15
☝🏾THIS☝🏾 Eugene Jul 2022 #38
This is why we need a +2 Democratic controlled Senate. sarcasmo Jul 2022 #18
We can do it wryter2000 Jul 2022 #20
Sinema is a middle school mean girl... agingdem Jul 2022 #21
Definitely out of her league Mme. Defarge Jul 2022 #25
Literally nobody expects anything from this Congress greenjar_01 Jul 2022 #22
She is jealous that Manchin is the hero!! riversedge Jul 2022 #26
Why won't 1 R step up so we don't have to deal with this yoyo RANDYWILDMAN Jul 2022 #29
Drama Queens crave drama. jalan48 Jul 2022 #30
Of course. LudwigPastorius Jul 2022 #31
The thing this clip doesn't show is her tapping McConnell on the shoulder to get him to watch her wackadoo wabbit Jul 2022 #72
Make. Her. Vote. CincyDem Jul 2022 #33
bad Dem, bad Dem Marthe48 Jul 2022 #34
"Former Mormon" absolutely wouldn't shit in the punch bowl. She promises with a crossed heart. czarjak Jul 2022 #35
she doesn't represent the people of Arizona YoshidaYui Jul 2022 #36
Ugh... druidity33 Jul 2022 #37
She's an evil piece of crap. Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #39
When was this ever not going to happen? nt prodigitalson Jul 2022 #40
No sh*t, sherlock. elleng Jul 2022 #43
Entirely predictable. Not happy with Schumer. Raven123 Jul 2022 #49
As with the passing of Obamacare, FoxNewsSucks Jul 2022 #50
Figures Rebl2 Jul 2022 #51
So maybe a couple of Republicans will break for it? Not sure who. ancianita Jul 2022 #55
I just can't. I just fucking CAN'T! dchill Jul 2022 #56
+ 1 RamblingRose Jul 2022 #59
Oh no 867-5309. Jul 2022 #57
after talking to her lobbyists pals for the last few days, now she finally speaks Mr. Sparkle Jul 2022 #58
Kyrsten, we hardly knew ye. Marcuse Jul 2022 #61
Gee whiz--Whenever she starts preserving her options, Dems wind up in somebody else's Backseat Driver Jul 2022 #62
Hey Sinema, there are millions of seniors on Medicare, do you know how many there are in turbinetree Jul 2022 #64
She should be flat out told that if she tanks this bill dsc Jul 2022 #66
I think she's 'Mental'.. n/t TeamProg Jul 2022 #67
The perfect word to call her Karma13612 Jul 2022 #69
Sigh. Holding my tongue. Joinfortmill Jul 2022 #70
She wants to be relevant for the last time she ever will be. ColinC Jul 2022 #71
Exactly Demovictory9 Aug 2022 #95
someone's check just cleared the bank. ZonkerHarris Jul 2022 #73
This was predictable. live love laugh Jul 2022 #74
What group tilts her power or re-election? Who buys her votes? CountMyVote4Reality Jul 2022 #75
I love how nowadays you can can be so openly bought off and corrupt. No need to even Carlitos Brigante Jul 2022 #76
We want to celebrate her change to civilian life Historic NY Jul 2022 #78
She has already lost her seat to an unnamed Democrat Roisin Ni Fiachra Jul 2022 #79
Not getting enough attention Kyrsten? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2022 #80
I'm just gonna say it: Paul Eeez Jul 2022 #84
sure... myohmy2 Jul 2022 #82
Who gives her permission to "rule" the country? SuperCoder Jul 2022 #85
Any bets The Wizard Jul 2022 #87
Sinema Ladythatvotesblue Aug 2022 #90
The Biden hating democratic senator said what? newdayneeded Aug 2022 #91
Cluster B Nightmare NoodleyAppendage Aug 2022 #92
She was invited to discussions but decided not to join. Kablooie Aug 2022 #93
Axios and Politico ought to be designated as Retrumplican propaganda maxrandb Aug 2022 #94
As a human being, I resent her. dchill Aug 2022 #96
I think it gets done Johnny2X2X Aug 2022 #97

SergeStorms

(18,883 posts)
1. I hope she's enjoyed...
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:01 PM
Jul 2022

her one any only term as a Senator.

She doesn't really care though. She probably has a nice 6 figure job all lined up with the pharmaceutical industry, her benefactors.

Takket

(21,424 posts)
3. yeah she's always been in this to sell her votes and line up the lobbying job afterwards
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:04 PM
Jul 2022

when she's voted out she'll be laughing all the way to the bank

brush

(53,467 posts)
6. Agreed. Talk about not living up to the office. She's made a...
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:08 PM
Jul 2022

complete, hot mess of her one term in office. I can't imagine or remember anyone on the Dem side handling it worst.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,410 posts)
14. As a Senator, has Sinema ever STOOD FOR ANYTHING?
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:18 PM
Jul 2022

The only image I have of her is her obstruction her pandering to wealth.

jimfields33

(15,457 posts)
68. I just hope republicans don't play games and change registration and vote for her
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 08:20 PM
Jul 2022

That’s why I hate Wyoming doing this. It’s not good. Let each candidate win or lose on their own.

NotHardly

(1,062 posts)
86. That ONE phucking person can literally kill democracy has got to phucking STOP
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 03:09 PM
Jul 2022
When one can power over the many, that is not, I repeat, that is NOT a democracy.

femmedem

(8,187 posts)
7. I don't understand why she wasn't included in the Schumer/Manchin talks.
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:10 PM
Jul 2022

Especially since the deal includes something she's already publicly opposed.

Mister Ed

(5,896 posts)
8. I have no confidence that she would bargain in good faith if included.
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:15 PM
Jul 2022

Perhaps those in the Senate, who know her best, have the same feeling.

Mister Ed

(5,896 posts)
16. Who knows?
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:21 PM
Jul 2022

Who knows what gets discussed in the back rooms and the cloakrooms of the Senate? I sure don't.

They must've thought there was some way to pressure her or corner her or bribe her or cajole her into going along. And maybe there is. Who knows?

Mr.Bill

(24,103 posts)
27. Frankly, given his recent past,
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:41 PM
Jul 2022

I have doubts Manchin is bargaining in good faith. He has a long way to go for me to have faith his negotiations.

PortTack

(32,606 posts)
12. No one was included. Sinema would have run to turtle and spilled the beans causing the CHIPS
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:17 PM
Jul 2022

Bill to possibly fail as well as this one

2naSalit

(86,048 posts)
77. Yup...
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 08:19 AM
Jul 2022

She's more dangerous inside negotiations because she can't be trusted not to rat out the whole thing.

Maybe she's been snubbed while trying to sabotage negotiations because she was found out. Maybe she's having a mad over it. Maybe she'll just quietly vote with the rest of the party in the end. She is a drama queen but maybe she sees that everybody hates her for her actions. Maybe a repug or two will vote for it.



qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
28. it's pretty clear
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:44 PM
Jul 2022

1. Manchin is firm on carried interest (and it's a popular provision).
2. Sinema is against it so any negotiation that involved them both would have led to nothing.
3. So Schumer decided to get Manchin on board alone. Manchin is in WV and faces no leftward pressure at all. Manchin can afford to simply say no with zero consequences in his state.
4. OTOH Sinema has real leftward pressure in her next primary. It's not so easy to say no IF re-election matters to her (it may not).
5. To this point, Sinema has never been the one and only Senator blocking something, she's always had Manchin for cover. Now she's alone.

I'm guessing Schumer decided to put her on an island. It's a lot easier to say no behind closed doors during negotiations than it is when this is a deal that the media is more or less selling positively, the entire caucus is behind, climate activists are even saying the climate stuff is actually decent, and even Manchin is on board with adding in that not passing it means huge healthcare increases and by the way, we don't have much time left to pass anything.

That's an awful lot for a first term Senator to say no to.

There's also the fact that Sinema is notoriously hard to pin down.

Bottom line, if she's really going to torpedo this over carried interest for a handful of rich people...then she's not a Democrat and she was never going to agree to anything anyways.

femmedem

(8,187 posts)
47. Yes, I think you are correct.
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:23 PM
Jul 2022

I hope it pays off. And on further reflection, this probably was the only possible path forward.

quakerboy

(13,901 posts)
88. Because she and manchin are playing a game
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 11:33 PM
Jul 2022

Manchin gets "concessions" to get it done (not incidentally incensing/depressing liberals with the losses) , then Synema torpedoes the deal. So then she gets concessions (not incidentally incensing and breaking trust of youth and moderates with the sacrifices), and he can torpedo it.

In the end they will both get far more from private/right wing interests for obstructing and simultaneously convincing Democrats to break trust with voters on our policy promises than anything they are likely to get in negotiations

agingdem

(7,754 posts)
42. I may be a little too optimistic but
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:16 PM
Jul 2022

I have a sneaking suspicion Manchin and Sinema are about to have serious chat..this is Manchin's moment and I don't think he's going to allow Cruella/Betty Boop to crater his deal and steal his glory

comradebillyboy

(10,119 posts)
48. You might be right. Manchin really is a much more competent
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:26 PM
Jul 2022

politician than Sinema. I suspect he can be pretty persuasive when he needs to be. He won't let Sinema ruin his moment of glory.

53. Manchin has been a "red line" drawer since Biden became president.
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:53 PM
Jul 2022

Just like the SCOTUS is remaking society into its warped view of what we should be doing (as opposed to the 70% that support abortion), Manchin has been reordering the economic foundations of the financial sector to resemble the GQP's goals of keeping taxpayers money in the pockets of the rich and corporations.

As for Sinema, during her last campaign she said over and over again she would work to bring down drug prices. Now she's taking the opposite position. Who would have known that she could be bought off by large donations by the pharmaceutical sector.

It's turning out that the biggest obstacles to producing the results that the majority of Americans want are in the Democratic Party. Sheesh! Just think of how much good we could be doing without these two miscreants blocking nearly every Biden proposal.

comradebillyboy

(10,119 posts)
54. Without those two Democratic senators Mitch McConnel would
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:57 PM
Jul 2022

be Senate Majority Leader. And none of Biden's agenda would have been passed. And none of Biden's judicial appointments would have been approved.

Would that make you happy?

agingdem

(7,754 posts)
65. I agree...
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 06:38 PM
Jul 2022

I can't stand Manchin or Sinema but I appreciate their designated "D" presence in the Senate, and their vote..most of the time

intheflow

(28,406 posts)
81. No need to go there.
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 10:17 AM
Jul 2022

The poster you’re replying to isn’t saying they want Repukes in M&S’s seats, just saying they wish the miscreants weren’t there. I read it as not wanting these DINOs, and also assumed they want actual Democrats in those seats.

tavernier

(12,322 posts)
60. Hating someone is like drinking poison
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 05:38 PM
Jul 2022

and then waiting for them to die.

You’re better off using your energy on something positive.

wryter2000

(46,016 posts)
19. Very true about getting anything done
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:28 PM
Jul 2022

But even if we lost the House, these two would still be irrelevant. Not much comfort.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
22. Literally nobody expects anything from this Congress
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:29 PM
Jul 2022

Celebrate what?



If anything decent gets passed ever, it's pretty much like found money. The default is bullshit and inaction.

LudwigPastorius

(8,943 posts)
31. Of course.
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:54 PM
Jul 2022

Let me guess...she wants to nix the whole Medicare-being-able-to-negotiate-lower-prescription-costs thing.

wackadoo wabbit

(1,160 posts)
72. The thing this clip doesn't show is her tapping McConnell on the shoulder to get him to watch her
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 09:55 PM
Jul 2022

When she entered the chamber to vote, she tapped McConnell on the shoulder so that he'd turn around and watch her as she performed her little act. FWIW, he didn't turn around and watch her.

Sinema, he's just not that into you.

CincyDem

(6,281 posts)
33. Make. Her. Vote.
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:55 PM
Jul 2022

Don’t go changing everything over a threat. Make her take a stand and then deal with it. All this tacit bs is getting us nowhere.

Make.

Her.

Vote.

YoshidaYui

(41,759 posts)
36. she doesn't represent the people of Arizona
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:04 PM
Jul 2022

she is only in it to make money, its all a moneygame for her. I bet they could bribe her and she would take it.

Raven123

(4,714 posts)
49. Entirely predictable. Not happy with Schumer.
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:34 PM
Jul 2022

This should have been resolved before the announcement.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,375 posts)
50. As with the passing of Obamacare,
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:44 PM
Jul 2022

there's a tag-team of Democrats taking turns shooting down the things we want.

It's just her turn

Backseat Driver

(4,336 posts)
62. Gee whiz--Whenever she starts preserving her options, Dems wind up in somebody else's
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 05:59 PM
Jul 2022

jam. Go with the flow, girl!

turbinetree

(24,632 posts)
64. Hey Sinema, there are millions of seniors on Medicare, do you know how many there are in
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 06:16 PM
Jul 2022

Last edited Sat Jul 30, 2022, 06:56 PM - Edit history (1)

Arizona? 2.5 million over the age of 50

I know two of them very personally.........and they know a lot of people in there retirement home / community and they / all are very politically active...... and if your "aides' have any clue on the Political make-up here, here is a refresher......

As of January 1, 2022, Arizona's registered voters include 1,501,302 Republicans (34.5%), 1,364,178 Democrats (31.4%), 36,249 Libertarians (0.8%), and 1,449,711 "Other" (33.3%).......

dsc

(52,129 posts)
66. She should be flat out told that if she tanks this bill
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 07:32 PM
Jul 2022

and the Senate is anything other than 50/50 she will have no committee assignments, she will not be permitted to co sponsor any bill upon authored by a Democrat, and no Democrat will co sponsor a bill which she authors. Finally, every single solitary Democratic senator will endorse her primary opponent and campaign repeatedly for them.

Karma13612

(4,527 posts)
69. The perfect word to call her
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 08:22 PM
Jul 2022

Would get me banned. Back in 2016, I was flagged to delete my comment that contained this word.

OK, I did, no sweat.

But, today, I am going to use a phrase that I hope is equally poignant.


She is a DISGUSTING ADULT MEAN-GIRL BRAT.



75. What group tilts her power or re-election? Who buys her votes?
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 01:49 AM
Jul 2022

Dems? Inds? Reps? Reps/Corps?

That nasty word will nasty word nasty word any nasty word for the money.

Carlitos Brigante

(26,481 posts)
76. I love how nowadays you can can be so openly bought off and corrupt. No need to even
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 02:45 AM
Jul 2022

pretend. Good for her!

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
79. She has already lost her seat to an unnamed Democrat
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 09:07 AM
Jul 2022

in 2024.

I would not be surprised to see her wreak as much destruction on our party and country as she possibly can until then.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,063 posts)
80. Not getting enough attention Kyrsten?
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 09:26 AM
Jul 2022

It's not about you. It's about your constituents. Try to remember that.

myohmy2

(3,118 posts)
82. sure...
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 10:30 AM
Jul 2022

...why not?

...and some pick on Bernie for not being a Dem...

...I'm not sure what it means...

 

SuperCoder

(300 posts)
85. Who gives her permission to "rule" the country?
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 01:24 PM
Jul 2022

Last I heard Joe Biden is our duly elected President. Not Kyrsten Sinema.

NoodleyAppendage

(4,619 posts)
92. Cluster B Nightmare
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 02:12 PM
Aug 2022

Sinema is a raging walking cluster B personality disorder. This is the worst possible outcome for her to be the pivotal vote for the legislation. She LOVES the attention this brings and possibly even the negative attention it might generate. Those around her with half-a-brain will seek to influence her by playing to her narcissism and histrionics.

Kablooie

(18,571 posts)
93. She was invited to discussions but decided not to join.
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 02:28 PM
Aug 2022

Now that everyone agrees she wants to get involved and change things to please her billionaire corporate donors.

She is a total asshole!

maxrandb

(15,188 posts)
94. Axios and Politico ought to be designated as Retrumplican propaganda
Tue Aug 2, 2022, 10:44 AM
Aug 2022

So many "Dems in disarray" reporting from those outlets.

I think I will wait to see what happens, but even if it does pass, Axios and Politico will ignore it, except to highlight all the missing ponies "some Dems wanted".

Even when you win, you lose with this media

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