Oath Keepers founder sentenced to 18 years in Jan. 6 seditious conspiracy case
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Source: NBC News
WASHINGTON The founder of the far-right Oath Keepers has been sentenced to 18 years in federal prison in connection with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol following his conviction on seditious conspiracy. The sentence for Stewart Rhodes is the longest imposed on a Jan. 6 defendant to date.
In a politically-charged speech in the courtroom just before his sentencing, he called himself a "political prisoner" and said that when he talked about "regime change" in a phone call with supporters earlier this week, he meant he hopes that former President Donald Trump will win in 2024. The judge disagreed that Rhodes had been locked up for politics, saying it was his actions that led to his criminal convictions. You, sir, present an ongoing threat and a peril to this country and to the republic and to the very fabric of this democracy," Judge Amit Mehta said before handing down the sentence.
Rhodes was convicted of seditious conspiracy in November along with Kelly Meggs, a fellow Oath Keepers member. "They won't fear us until we come with rifles in hand," Rhodes wrote in a message ahead of the Jan. 6 attack. After the attack, in a recording that was played in court during his trial, he said his only regret was that they should have brought rifles.
Wearing an orange prison jumpsuit Thursday, Rhodes said he believes the only crime he committed was opposing those who are destroying our country. Mehta told Rhodes that he was found guilty of seditious conspiracy not because of your beliefs, not because you supported the other guy, not because Joe Biden is president right now, but because of the facts of the case, and his actions before, during and after Jan. 6. You are not a political prisoner, Mr. Rhodes, he said.
Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/oath-keepers-founder-sentenced-18-years-jan-6-seditious-conspiracy-cas-rcna85852
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The sentence for Stewart Rhodes is the longest imposed on a Jan. 6 defendant to date. In a politically-charged speech in the courtroom just before his sentencing, Rhodes called himself a "political prisoner" and said that when he talked about "regime change" in a phone call with supporters earlier this week, he meant he hopes that former President Donald Trump will win in 2024.
The judge disagreed that Rhodes had been locked up for politics, saying it was his actions that led to his criminal convictions. "You, sir, present an ongoing threat and a peril to this country and to the republic and to the very fabric of this democracy," Judge Amit Mehta said before handing down the sentence.
Rhodes was convicted of seditious conspiracy in November along with Kelly Meggs, a fellow Oath Keepers member who will be sentenced later Thursday afternoon. "They won't fear us until we come with rifles in hand," Rhodes wrote in a message ahead of the Jan. 6 attack. After the attack, in a recording that was played in court during his trial, he said his only regret was that they "should have brought rifles."
Rhodes was convicted of seditious conspiracy in November along with Kelly Meggs, a fellow Oath Keepers member who will be sentenced later Thursday afternoon. "They won't fear us until we come with rifles in hand," Rhodes wrote in a message ahead of the Jan. 6 attack. After the attack, in a recording that was played in court during his trial, he said his only regret was that they "should have brought rifles."
When given the chance to speak before sentencing, Rhodes, wearing an orange prison jumpsuit, called himself a "political prisoner" and said he believes the only crime he committed was opposing those who are "destroying our country." He added that he hopes former President Donald Trump wins in 2024.
Mehta told Rhodes that he was found guilty of seditious conspiracy "not because of your beliefs, not because you supported the other guy, not because Joe Biden is president right now," but because of the facts of the case, and his actions before, during and after Jan. 6. "You are not a political prisoner, Mr. Rhodes," Mehta said.
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The sentence for Stewart Rhodes is the longest imposed on a Jan. 6 defendant to date. "You, sir, present an ongoing threat and a peril to this country and to the republic and to the very fabric of this democracy," Judge Amit Mehta said before handing down the sentence. Rhodes was convicted of seditious conspiracy in November along with Kelly Meggs, a fellow Oath Keepers member who will be sentenced later Thursday afternoon.
"They won't fear us until we come with rifles in hand," Rhodes wrote in a message ahead of the Jan. 6 attack. After the attack, in a recording that was played in court during his trial, he said his only regret was that they "should have brought rifles."
Rhodes and Meggs were put on trial alongside Jessica Watkins, Kenneth Harrelson and Thomas Caldwell, fellow Oath Keepers who were convicted of obstruction of an official proceeding and aiding and abetting, but not seditious conspiracy. Watkins and Harrelson will be sentenced on Friday.
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peppertree
(22,672 posts)JohnSJ
(95,170 posts)peppertree
(22,672 posts)Perish the thought.
lamp_shade
(15,057 posts)JohnSJ
(95,170 posts)Botany
(71,994 posts).... that time. 57 + 14.4 years = 71.4 years old.
obamanut2012
(27,517 posts)OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)Uncle_Remus
(31 posts)ADX Florence. That will do nicely.
OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)LoisB
(8,187 posts)Bayard
(23,767 posts)And trump should be right there with him for prodding these people into it.
Scottie Mom
(5,812 posts)TY!
KS Toronado
(18,887 posts)onetexan
(13,669 posts)Torchlight
(4,186 posts)There are far better methods, Mr. Rhodes. Take a look at Pres. Carter's career as well as his retirement for constructive ideas.
mahatmakanejeeves
(60,096 posts)They updated a preliminary story from 6:00 a.m.
Oath Keepers leader Rhodes sentenced to 18 years for Jan. 6 seditious conspiracy
Stewart Rhodes and others are set to receive the first punishments for far-right extremist group members convicted of seditious conspiracy
By Spencer S. Hsu, Tom Jackman and Rachel Weiner
Updated May 25, 2023 at 1:00 p.m. EDT | Published May 25, 2023 at 6:00 a.m. EDT
{snip}
orleans
(34,675 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,629 posts)The government was asking for 25 which was the middle.
From what Ive read, 21 was the low end.
Judges keep sending messages that these clowns will get the lightest touch when they should be doing the exact opposite.
LoisB
(8,187 posts)Beastly Boy
(10,855 posts)Not more than 20 years
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384
Elmer got an extra year for his good looks, I guess
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,629 posts)Bengus81
(7,312 posts)This wasn't some candy ass crime. He should have got the absolute MAX.
C_U_L8R
(45,460 posts)"You, sir, present an ongoing threat and a peril to this country, the republic and the very fabric of democracy."
ancianita
(37,876 posts)Staying tuned in the popcorn room.
BumRushDaShow
(139,031 posts)I figured it wouldn't be the recommended "25 years" but would be closer to "20 years".
However when it comes time for Tarrio (and the Proud Boys), I expect his will be less, but still substantial since he wasn't physically there.
ancianita
(37,876 posts)I'm a believer.
I'll gladly wait for the full extent of the law to probably be appropriately applied at Trump's sentencing.
Paladin
(28,651 posts)AllaN01Bear
(22,587 posts)SouthernDem4ever
(6,618 posts)they love fascism, yet in the days of fascism, they would have been beheaded for their crimes against their nation. Democracy is the only reason they still have their lives.
riversedge
(72,242 posts)Well, big mouth, you will have years to think about what you said.
.........Rhodes was convicted of seditious conspiracy in November along with Kelly Meggs, a fellow Oath Keepers member who will be sentenced later Thursday afternoon. "They won't fear us until we come with rifles in hand," Rhodes wrote in a message ahead of the Jan. 6 attack. After the attack, in a recording that was played in court during his trial, he said his only regret was that they should have brought rifles.
When given the chance to speak before sentencing, Rhodes, wearing an orange prison jumpsuit, called himself a "political prisoner" and said he believes the only crime he committed was opposing those who are destroying our country. He added that he hopes former President Donald Trump wins in 2024.
Mehta told Rhodes that he was found guilty of seditious conspiracy not because of your beliefs, not because you supported the other guy, not because Joe Biden is president right now, but because of the facts of the case, and his actions before, during and after Jan. 6. You are not a political prisoner, Mr. Rhodes, Mehta said.
Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/oath-keepers-founder-sentenced-18-years-jan-6-seditious-conspiracy-cas-rcna85852
Marthe48
(18,488 posts)are scared to death.
I hope I live to see the day all of the traitors are arrested, tried, found guilty and get sentences like this.
Traildogbob
(9,715 posts)He sleep with one eye open for the whole sentence. Is he a tenor or alto? This is gonna be the largest choir in history. When is the next number one single coming out?
Bengus81
(7,312 posts)I've seen a couple of statements she's made about her former "husband".
Hekate
(93,838 posts)Kennah
(14,451 posts)nowforever
(382 posts)Should get 25 years. Garland wake up and show us something. If someone tells another person to set fire and it kills people, the person who instructed the firesetter is charged with homicide.
Hekate
(93,838 posts)forgotmylogin
(7,658 posts)It's been repeatedly proven he's tried to assume government office through machinations other than being duly elected, and maintains he will continue these behaviors.
liberal N proud
(60,851 posts)He will look good in orange.
lastlib
(24,498 posts)Let's just say he'll look his best. He will still look like shit, because he IS shit.
liberal N proud
(60,851 posts)calimary
(83,624 posts)Bastard still got off too easy. He should be down-on-his/knees grateful that I wasnt the presiding judge in his case. Hed never see the outside of a jail cell again.
kairos12
(13,176 posts)LudwigPastorius
(10,483 posts)DJ Porkchop
(582 posts)Now do Meadows.
Botany
(71,994 posts)Last edited Fri May 26, 2023, 08:38 AM - Edit history (1)
(This is all speculation @ this point but Jack Smith flat out "has the goods" on Meadows.
But Meadows has to be asking himself if he wants to die in prison for Trump. see story
@ the bottom of my post)
Donald Trump would be in serious legal trouble if speculation that his former chief of staff, Mark Meadows, is co-operating with Special Counsel Jack Smith's investigation turned out to be correct, a legal expert has said.
Former Defense Department special counsel Ryan Goodman was reacting to a CNN report on how Meadows is continuing to work his influence in Washington D.C., including by advising GOP lawmakers on the ongoing debt-ceiling negotiation.
The report adds that Meadows is no longer in communication with the former president, even though he is considered a key figure in Smith's criminal probe into Trump's attempt to overturn the 2020 election results.
snip
Meadows was with Trump on January 6 as the insurrection was unfolding and he was said to be a key figure in the post-2020 election events.
Meadows was also said to have been in direct communication with organizers of "stop the steal" protest, which took place in D.C. on January 6 in 2021, prior to the riot.
https://www.newsweek.com/mark-meadows-trump-special-counsel-jan6-1802571
*******
Meadows burned papers after meeting with Scott Perry, Jan. 6 panel told
The unusual move came after a meeting between then-President Donald Trumps then-chief of staff and the Pennsylvania Republican, according to recent testimony.
Then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows burned papers in his office after meeting with a House Republican who was working to challenge the 2020 election, according to testimony the Jan. 6 select committee has heard from one of his former aides.
Cassidy Hutchinson, who worked under Meadows when he was former President Donald Trumps chief of staff, told the panel investigating the Capitol attack that she saw Meadows incinerate documents after a meeting in his office with Rep. Scott Perry (R-Pa.). A person familiar with the testimony described it on condition of anonymity.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/26/meadows-burned-papers-meeting-scott-perry-00035411
3catwoman3
(25,170 posts)FAFO.
electric_blue68
(17,065 posts)SouthernDem4ever
(6,618 posts)outta the system for a while.
ancianita
(37,876 posts)For the reasons set forth above, the government recommends that the Court impose a lengthy sentence of imprisonment on each defendant. Specifically, Stewart Rhodes should serve 25 years in prison; Kelly Meggs, 21 years; Jessica Watkins, 18 years; Roberto Minuta, 17 years; Edward Vallejo, 17 years; Kenneth Harrelson, 15 years; Thomas Caldwell, 14 years; Joseph Hackett, 12 years; and David Moerschel, 10 years.
Respectfully submitted,
MATTHEW M. GRAVES United States Attorney D.C. Bar No. 481052
By: /s/ Jeffrey S. Nestler
Assistant United States Attorney D.C. Bar No. 978296
Troy A. Edwards, Jr.
Alexandra Hughes
Louis Manzo
Kathryn Rakoczy
Assistant United States Attorneys
U.S. Attorneys Office for the District of Columbia 601 D Street NW
Washington, D.C. 20530
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23801119/rhodesetalsentmem050523.pdf
BumRushDaShow
(139,031 posts)LOL
Thanks for posting! And there is Matthew Graves. Busiest guy in D.C.
I think there is a statutory limit of 20 years for "seditious conspiracy". But the "extra time" over the 20 years guideline would be through an "enhancement" ( "administration of justice" ), to tack on the additional time.
ancianita
(37,876 posts)Yep, Matt Graves is The Man in the Criminal Division. I think I read in a recent report on the sentencing that he did add a terrorism enhancement in the memo. Checking page one, the 183 pages seem like a good read, but I'm not especially interested in digging to find out. I prefer reading my new Stacey Abrams novel.
Rhiannon12866
(218,264 posts)A spokesman on MSNBC earlier tonight said that 18 years wasn't nearly enough for Rhodes, that the penalty for sedition has previously been death...
Novara
(6,071 posts)republianmushroom
(16,836 posts)now for the elected representatives who supported this insurrection, how about 10 years minimum.
OneCrazyDiamond
(2,043 posts)Take your friends too.
niyad
(118,436 posts)orangecrush
(21,120 posts)RainCaster
(11,377 posts)In his prison? He may find that his ideas are not welcome by the many minority groups present there.
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