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Judi Lynn

(160,219 posts)
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 12:43 AM Sep 2014

India puts satellite into Mars orbit

Source: Associated Press

India puts satellite into Mars orbit
September 24, 2014, 12:29 AM

NEW DELHI -- India triumphed in its first interplanetary mission, placing a satellite into orbit around Mars on Wednesday morning and catapulting the country into an elite club of deep-space explorers.

Scientists broke into wild cheers as the orbiter's engines completed 24 minutes of burn time and maneuvered into its designated place around the Red Planet.

"We have gone beyond the boundaries of human enterprise and innovation," Prime Minister Narendra Modi said, standing alongside scientists with the Indian Space and Research Organization at their command center in the southern city of Bangalore.

"We have navigated our craft through a route known to very few," Modi said, congratulating both the scientists and "all my fellow Indians on this historic occasion."




Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/india-puts-satellite-into-mars-orbit/

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India puts satellite into Mars orbit (Original Post) Judi Lynn Sep 2014 OP
where women are 3rd class citizens, births out of control, gays illegal. congrats india nt msongs Sep 2014 #1
Who makes up the '2nd class citizen' I ponder? eom Purveyor Sep 2014 #5
Like minorities and women were doing great here in the US when we landed on the moon. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #14
and what rights did Americans have when America was making advances in Space JI7 Sep 2014 #16
Who decides what you deserve? IronLionZion Sep 2014 #21
Only on DU as expected cosmicone Sep 2014 #2
Yes it would seem so. dipsydoodle Sep 2014 #6
the hatred or anger towards India's achievements come out everytime India has a new accomplishment samsingh Sep 2014 #7
It's straight up racism Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2014 #9
Not to mention the fact that India loses jobs to other countries too Recursion Sep 2014 #13
When US IT workers lose their jobs to Indians brentspeak Sep 2014 #28
Northern White workers protested when Blacks workers moved up from the South in the Great Migration. pampango Sep 2014 #34
Are overseas Indians and guest worker Indians African-Americans? brentspeak Sep 2014 #42
And India sending a probe to Mars has what to do with "reverse-racism" on the Help Desk? Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2014 #41
i didn't want to say it but i believe you are completely correct samsingh Sep 2014 #36
The person making the first comment can only kindly be described as ornery Renew Deal Sep 2014 #27
Truly pathetic and disgusting, and smacks of racism. smitra Sep 2014 #20
that's what surprises me as well samsingh Sep 2014 #37
Congratulations India! cheapdate Sep 2014 #3
It would be cool for Brazil to be next. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #15
And Hillary Clinton sent a congratulatory text to Prime Minister Modi Sopkoviak Sep 2014 #4
Some folks are really proud of their racism. CBGLuthier Sep 2014 #25
Just remember rock Sep 2014 #29
Oh give her a break Sopkoviak Sep 2014 #32
I was thinking of a Uranus joke davidpdx Sep 2014 #8
I think what people are really trying to express is that hedgehog Sep 2014 #10
they aren't living in poverty because of lack of resources , it's usually a cultural problem JI7 Sep 2014 #17
I don't think you are giving the Indians living near or at poverty hedgehog Sep 2014 #19
Those people should really learn their place IronLionZion Sep 2014 #22
India's wealth inequality if much better than the US and on a par with Canada. pampango Sep 2014 #35
Congrats to ISRO and NASA Recursion Sep 2014 #11
Congratulations to India. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #12
Well, thank god we're spending our money on important stuff like bombs and bullets Scootaloo Sep 2014 #18
Any "civilized" people know its better to waste lives on large middle eastern ground wars IronLionZion Sep 2014 #23
Good job, India Android3.14 Sep 2014 #24
very cool! & the cost was ~90% lower than other recent launches. Sunlei Sep 2014 #26
if handled by a call center is prob is really just orbiting above nebraska dembotoz Sep 2014 #30
This is a highly commendable expression of human ingenuity and talent. hunter Sep 2014 #31
Congratulations to the world's largest democracy on this tremendous achievement! bananas Sep 2014 #33
Good thing satellites don't poop or pee Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #38
It will be fascinating to see what Aerows Sep 2014 #39
India’s Mars mission could be a giant leap Judi Lynn Sep 2014 #40

IronLionZion

(45,261 posts)
21. Who decides what you deserve?
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 06:48 AM
Sep 2014


Since "those people" clearly don't deserve to put a satellite into orbit. Does their satellite affect you in some way or do you just want to keep those uppity people in their place?

samsingh

(17,571 posts)
7. the hatred or anger towards India's achievements come out everytime India has a new accomplishment
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 01:42 AM
Sep 2014

as if none of those issues exist here or in Europe.

it's like saying India has no right to advance unless it gets rid of poverty, etc. And yet this standard is not applied to other countries.

Instead of being happy for India congratulating the country for advancing despite the incredible problems they face, there is always this 'yeah but they should take care of the poor first'. I guess they want India to be a socialist country instead of a capitalistic powerhouse.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
9. It's straight up racism
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 02:26 AM
Sep 2014

Born out of the perception that India's every accomplishment is taking food out of hard working white 'murican mouths. When "outsourcing" doesn't represent 1% of Indian GDP.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
13. Not to mention the fact that India loses jobs to other countries too
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 02:35 AM
Sep 2014

My neighborhood in Mumbai used to be textile mills; they're all abandoned now. Why? The factories got a better deal from Indonesia.a

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
28. When US IT workers lose their jobs to Indians
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 08:57 AM
Sep 2014

and are forced to train their Indian replacements beforehand, accusations of "straight up racism" become laughable. And actually, American IT workers, here on US soil, have found themselves the victims of reverse-racism in newly Indian-dominated IT workplaces.

No one really cares about what percentage IT outsourcing makes up India's total GDP. In the context of lost jobs and declining wages here in the US, the citation of a statistic like that falls firmly under the category of "how to lie with statistics".

pampango

(24,692 posts)
34. Northern White workers protested when Blacks workers moved up from the South in the Great Migration.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 12:38 PM
Sep 2014
In 1900, about 90 percent of blacks still lived in Southern states.

Between 1910 and 1930, the African-American population increased by about forty percent in Northern states as a result of the migration, mostly in the major cities.

While the Great Migration helped educated African Americans obtain jobs, eventually enabling a measure of class mobility, the migrants encountered significant forms of discrimination. Because so many people migrated in a short period of time, the African-American migrants were often resented by the urban European-American working class (often themselves recent immigrants); fearing their ability to negotiate rates of pay or secure employment, they felt threatened by the influx of new labor competition. Sometimes those who were most fearful or resentful were the last immigrants of the 19th and new immigrants of the 20th century. In many cities, working classes tried to defend what they saw as "their" territories.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_(African_American)

The White working class saw the Black migrants as a threat to their jobs and wages. Was that racism? People of one color see their jobs and wages threatened by an influx of people of another color. Or is the IT industry problem more one of nationality rather than color?

victims of reverse-racism

The right is always crying about 'reverse racism'.

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
42. Are overseas Indians and guest worker Indians African-Americans?
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 10:56 PM
Sep 2014

Furthermore, the last I looked, of the two groups, only African-Americans are US citizens. Pathetic attempt at a false analogy.

"The right is always crying about 'reverse racism'"

Actually, the "right" has corporate shills posting on liberal boards such as this one, posing as "liberals", promulgating job-sucking immigration and "free trade" policies.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
41. And India sending a probe to Mars has what to do with "reverse-racism" on the Help Desk?
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 06:18 PM
Sep 2014

It isn't lying with statistics. Outsourcing could go away tomorrow and the needle on the Indian economy wouldn't even jitter.

Renew Deal

(81,802 posts)
27. The person making the first comment can only kindly be described as ornery
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 08:37 AM
Sep 2014

There are less kind descriptions.

smitra

(290 posts)
20. Truly pathetic and disgusting, and smacks of racism.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 06:37 AM
Sep 2014

How can a country with "dirty brown people" accomplish what we "clean white people" could not do at the first attempt? Though not said directly, this is what is in mind.

This is the reason why although I read DU regularly for US political news, I rarely post here.

And this is supposedly a "liberal" board....

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
3. Congratulations India!
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 01:07 AM
Sep 2014

I believe there are now 5 spacecraft orbiting Mars. Three from the U.S., one from Europe, and now one from India.

 

Sopkoviak

(357 posts)
4. And Hillary Clinton sent a congratulatory text to Prime Minister Modi
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 01:14 AM
Sep 2014

Saying that this is wonderful news and that Mars will be needing gas station managers someday soon.


Reference
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https://www.indiacurrents.com/articles/2007/05/12/clerical-errors

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
25. Some folks are really proud of their racism.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 08:06 AM
Sep 2014

I guess when you don't have much you have to be proud of the little shitty things you do have.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
10. I think what people are really trying to express is that
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 02:30 AM
Sep 2014

this achievement exemplifies the massive wealth inequality in India - that there are resources and skills to accomplish this when so many are living on pennies a day.

FWIW -This is not just a problem for India - I watched the moon landing on a B&W set while volunteering a week helping migrant workers' children.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
17. they aren't living in poverty because of lack of resources , it's usually a cultural problem
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 03:24 AM
Sep 2014

such as parents refusing to send their kids to school even though it's free and they get fed. because of backwards areas where they always did things a certain way.

just look at the reports about places getting free toilets put in and some still refuse to use them.

the idiots who give their money to some religious scam artists instead of taking advantage of social services and many other things.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
19. I don't think you are giving the Indians living near or at poverty
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 05:50 AM
Sep 2014

level enough credit.

My understanding is that the government supplied latrines that were basically a hole in the ground with a brick wall around it for privacy. Some may have been attached to the homes. What happened is that these latrines smelled bad and attracted flies. People didn't want to live next to that, so they continued using the fields.

There is certainly a demand for good alternatives.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2014/06/09/319529037/indias-rape-uproar-ignites-demand-to-end-open-defecation

IronLionZion

(45,261 posts)
22. Those people should really learn their place
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 06:51 AM
Sep 2014

The US should probably increase its defense budget and cut more social programs to keep up.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
35. India's wealth inequality if much better than the US and on a par with Canada.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 12:47 PM
Sep 2014

Obviously it is a much poorer country than Canada or the US, but it is not bad in terms of equality.

List of countries by income equality-GINI coefficient

Canada...........32.6
China.............47.0
India..............33.4
US.................48.0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality#OECD_countries
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
18. Well, thank god we're spending our money on important stuff like bombs and bullets
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 03:35 AM
Sep 2014

Boy, those Indians are going to have egg on their face when all they have to show for their spending is scientific progress instead of a wasted field strewn with blasted corpses and shrapnel. heh. Nerds.

IronLionZion

(45,261 posts)
23. Any "civilized" people know its better to waste lives on large middle eastern ground wars
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 06:53 AM
Sep 2014

obviously....

hunter

(38,264 posts)
31. This is a highly commendable expression of human ingenuity and talent.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 10:39 AM
Sep 2014

Congratulations, India!

I honestly don't know why people piss on the brighter achievements of others.

Every culture, just as every individual human, has both positive features and negative.

Developing the technology to explore our world and our universe is a positive feature of humanity.

Pissing on the achievements of others, or worse, going to war over ideologies and the brute force control of natural resources, is a negative feature of humanity.

India is a democracy very similar to our own, corrupted by a very wealthy ruling class, a place where progress is often impeded by maladaptive conservative traditions.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
38. Good thing satellites don't poop or pee
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 01:28 PM
Sep 2014

Otherwise India might have had to develop plumbing inside it. They haven't advanced that far.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
39. It will be fascinating to see what
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 01:33 PM
Sep 2014

data is collected by having an additional satellite in orbit. More data and more parties studying that data is a good thing. You never know what might be found!

Judi Lynn

(160,219 posts)
40. India’s Mars mission could be a giant leap
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 04:06 PM
Sep 2014

India’s Mars mission could be a giant leap

Critics say India has too much poverty for such an endeavour. But space exploration should not be the preserve of the rich west

Priyamvada Gopal
The Guardian, Wednesday 24 September 2014 15.44 EDT

After a journey of 300 days and 420 million miles, an Indian satellite has arrived in orbit around Mars. To have done so on an economy ticket – at $74m “the cheapest interplanetary mission ever to be undertaken by the world”, according to the mission’s leader – only adds to the significance of the event.

India’s space agency – the Indian Space Research Organisation – is a late entrant to the space race, and the success of Mangalyaan (“Mars craft” in Hindi) makes the country an Asian leader in space exploration, if not yet a global one. The mission has been received with delight on India’s social media and across its political spectrum, where “national pride” is the watchword.

To reach a distant world, where others have failed, might have had special significance for Narendra Modi, India’s prime minister, as he finally heads off to the United States for an official visit, having been denied a visa in the past because of doubts over his role in the 2002 Gujarat bloodshed. Modi and his ministers have been quick to assert collective pride in Mangalyaan as part of their vision of a globally ascendant India, ignoring the fact that the mission was actually fostered by their predecessors.

But questions are being asked. The Economist, not a known advocate of the poor or of government spending on social welfare, demanded to know – not only of India but of Sri Lanka, Belarus, Bolivia and Nigeria, all “minnows” with fledgling space aspirations: “How can poor countries afford space programmes?” Cut aid to such over-reaching parvenus, some in Britain have suggested. The criticism seems partly directed at the fact that the mission was not privately funded, as research in the west increasingly is; state money was channelled towards it without any marketable product emerging.

More:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/24/india-mars-mission-poverty-space-exploration

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