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Turborama

(22,109 posts)
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 03:25 AM Sep 2014

More Than 100 [Prominent] Muslim Clerics Sign Letter Condemning ISIS

Source: Fiscal Times via Yahoo News

Top Muslim leaders in the United States on Wednesday released a detailed refutation of claims by the terrorist group ISIS that its actions in Iraq and Syria are in keeping with Islamic law. The letter, signed by 111 prominent clerics from around the world, lists dozens of ways in which the clerics assert that ISIS has consistently violated Islamic law.

It urges ISIS leader and their followers to “Reconsider all your actions; desist from them; repent from them; cease harming others and return to the religion of mercy.”

Nihad Awad, the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said in a presentation at the National Press Club in Washington that the purpose of the letter is to “debunk and expose the falsity” of the claim that ISIS is operating within the dictates of the Islamic religion.

The letter is written in classical Arabic, but an English translation was provided to reporters. Addressed to ISIS leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi and to “The fighters and followers of the self-declared ‘Islamic State,’” it addresses 24 different statements or actions by ISIS and its members that the signatories say are specific violations of Islamic law. The violations cited stem from the obvious – murder, torture, desecration of corpses, and forced conversions – to more obscure violations, such as the illegal declaration of a caliphate and the issuance of fatwas (binding religious rulings) without the proper authority.

“These are 24 points, and point-by-point, their ideology has been rejected,” said Muzammil H. Siddiqi, chairman of the Fiqh Council of North America, the most senior Islamic jurisprudential body in the U.S.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/more-100-muslim-clerics-sign-215700310.html

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More Than 100 [Prominent] Muslim Clerics Sign Letter Condemning ISIS (Original Post) Turborama Sep 2014 OP
Hey... Turbo! defacto7 Sep 2014 #1
LOL, I know it's necessary as I have been posting in here for 6 years. DU is being very glitchy... Turborama Sep 2014 #4
Yeah, every once in a while defacto7 Sep 2014 #7
Thanks! defacto7 Sep 2014 #5
You're most welcome. Thanks for the heads up! Turborama Sep 2014 #9
The "hilarious" thing is? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #2
Too true. Did you see the reactions to the Saudi clerics' declaration? Turborama Sep 2014 #6
CNN just about a week or 2 ago had a segment discussing whether Muslims JI7 Sep 2014 #8
I agree that there is far more of a prejudice that 'Muslims support extremism' than for other groups LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #10
Absolute BS oberliner Sep 2014 #11
Yes. Thank you. 840high Sep 2014 #14
I think you misunderstood Scootaloo Sep 2014 #21
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #16
Also in UK LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #3
Good dipsydoodle Sep 2014 #12
Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #13
Faux news inspired toxic BS! --- Mich. Muslim leaders call Islamic State 'crazy criminals' Turborama Sep 2014 #15
Grand mufti of Australia condemns Isis 'horrors conducted overseas' Violet_Crumble Sep 2014 #17
“The noble Qur’an states clearly that whoever kills a person..." oberliner Sep 2014 #19
It doesn't matter what someone thinks the Qur'an says TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #22
And translations are never right Paulie Sep 2014 #23
Exactly oberliner Sep 2014 #24
Now if they'd just condemn flamingdem Sep 2014 #18
Freepers will quibble about this being a forgery, translation errors, closeupready Sep 2014 #20

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
4. LOL, I know it's necessary as I have been posting in here for 6 years. DU is being very glitchy...
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 03:35 AM
Sep 2014

... for me at the moment. I had added it but for some reason it's not showing up. I would write to the admins but last time I did they said they couldn't see the problem. Might have to buy a star to see if that fixes it.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
7. Yeah, every once in a while
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 03:39 AM
Sep 2014

I come up with some software or text glitch on the site. Power for the course I guess. Found one yesterday.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
2. The "hilarious" thing is?
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 03:30 AM
Sep 2014

Muslims are the only group we demand do this. The only one. You don't see demands for Jews to stride forth to condemn israel's actions, even though Israel makes every effort possible to claim it acts on behalf of the Jewish people and is itself the absolute core of Judaism itself. don't see demands that Eastern orthodox ride out to condemn Russia's actions in Ukraine and its religious-themed suppression in Russia, nor demands that protestants and Catholics gather together for a big condemnation of Ugandan "Sodomy" laws.

No, only Muslims have this expectation hanging over their heads.

And then when they do so, there are two reactions. First, it's called "a good start" - I.e., no matter what, it's never enough. And then second, the fact that they ever did so is completely forgotten, so the next time we demand such obeisance, we can again say "well, it's a good start..." all over again.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
8. CNN just about a week or 2 ago had a segment discussing whether Muslims
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 03:40 AM
Sep 2014

should condemn ISIS. by this time almost all muslims had already been condemning isis. even before the west got notice of what was going on in iraq.

yet cnn had a panel with no muslims discussing this and nobody mentioned how they had already been doing it.

and they showed a clip of some idiot brits and aussies who supported ISIS as proof. but nothing from any scholars, muslim organizations, mosques etc. just some random guys who look like that rapper and could mention nothing about the religion itself.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
11. Absolute BS
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 04:40 AM
Sep 2014

American Jewish organizations condemn murder of Arab teen

The murder of a Palestinian teenager allegedly by Jewish extremists has drawn widespread condemnations from across the ideological spectrum of the organized Jewish world.

Jewish groups ranging from the Union for Reform Judaism to the haredi Orthodox Agudath Israel, and including erstwhile rivals J Street and AIPAC, all issued strongly worded statements forcefully denouncing the July 2 murder of 16-year old Muhammad Abu Khdeir.

http://www.jta.org/2014/07/07/news-opinion/united-states/american-jewish-organizations-condemn-murder-of-arab-teen#ixzz3EJZlUbTC

Catholics Condemn Uganda’s Anti-Gay Law As Discrimination Intensifies

“Those of us who are Christian have to add to and embolden these voices with our own. Christians should make sure that their churches, friends and denominational leaders have a chance to meet and talk to LGBT people and understand how being targeted by these laws makes us feel. Christians should take to their own Facebook pages and other social media and stand with LGBT people.

http://newwaysministryblog.wordpress.com/2014/02/26/catholics-condemn-ugandas-anti-gay-law-as-discrimination-intensifies/

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
21. I think you misunderstood
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 02:33 PM
Sep 2014

I know that such condemnations do come.

But they're rarely, if ever demanded, and never dismissed.

Response to Scootaloo (Reply #2)

Response to Turborama (Original post)

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
15. Faux news inspired toxic BS! --- Mich. Muslim leaders call Islamic State 'crazy criminals'
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 08:59 AM
Sep 2014

DEARBORN, Mich. — Muslim leaders gathered Monday on the steps of Dearborn City Hall to strongly condemn the Islamic State or ISIS, saying the militant group in Iraq and Syria doesn't represent Islam or Muslims.

ISIS members are "crazy criminals who are abusing our religion," said Imam Mohammed Elahi of the Islamic House of Wisdom in Dearborn Heights. "You're a bunch of gangsters ... you're not Islamic."

Organized by imams with the Michigan Muslim Community Council, the speakers included both Shiite and Sunni leaders of different ethnicities and races, all united in saying ISIS doesn't speak for them.

"The beheading of James Foley ... is a clear violation of the holy Quran and the teachings of Prophet Mohammed," said Imam Mustapha Elturk, who cochairs along with Elahi the Imams Council of the Michigan Muslim Community Council. "ISIS neither represents Islam nor Muslims."

More: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/26/michigan-muslim-leaders-call-isis-crazy-criminals/14608335/

Violet_Crumble

(35,954 posts)
17. Grand mufti of Australia condemns Isis 'horrors conducted overseas'
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:16 AM
Sep 2014
The grand mufti of Australia has called for calm in the Australian community and condemned the “horrors conducted overseas” by extremist groups.

The address by Dr Ibrahim Abu Mohammed comes amid a heightened security environment in Australia, a major push for greater law enforcement and intelligence-gathering powers, and a series of threats made against Muslims.

The comments also follow the shooting of 18-year-old Abdul Numan Haider by police on Tuesday night in Melbourne, after he reportedly attacked two officers with a knife. Both officers sustained injuries, and Haider was shot dead.

Mohammed made a public address in Sydney on Wednesday in Arabic alongside several other senior Muslim leaders. His remarks were translated by sheikh Yahya Safi, executive member of the Australian National Imams Council.

The statement said: “As we have repeatedly preached in private and in public in Arabic and in English, the horrors conducted overseas in the name of religion are crimes against humanity and sins against God.

“The recent so-called fatwa from overseas, making reference to Australia as a target, has no religious authority and must be rejected.

“The noble Qur’an states clearly that whoever kills a person it is as if he has killed all of humanity. And whoever saves the life of a person is as if he save all of humanity.”

The grand mufti also called for calm in the community, and said the sanctity of life was paramount in Islam.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/24/grand-mufti-of-australia-condemns-isis-horrors-conducted-overseas
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
19. “The noble Qur’an states clearly that whoever kills a person..."
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 12:46 PM
Sep 2014

That passage seems to generate a lot of debate among Muslims.

"That if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or to spread corruption in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind."

http://www.faithinallah.org/ibn-kathir-whoever-kills-a-life-unjustly-is-as-if-he-has-killed-all-mankind/

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
22. It doesn't matter what someone thinks the Qur'an says
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 06:12 PM
Sep 2014

There are thousands of sects of Christians who can't agree on doctrine.

Hint: they're all still Christians (although those who don't believe in a trinitarian doctrine generally aren't considered so by all the other Christians).

I mean...what the heck does "corruption" mean in the passage you quoted? I'm sure plenty of folks could argue over that.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
24. Exactly
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 05:16 AM
Sep 2014

One can use passages in the Koran, Bible, etc. to justify pretty much whatever one wants to justify.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
20. Freepers will quibble about this being a forgery, translation errors,
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 01:35 PM
Sep 2014

they will - overwhelmingly xtian - deny that the Koran condemns this, or failing all that, they will simply squint and say, 'huh? can't hear you.'

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