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Trump's Remarks in Press Briefing; September 23, 2020
STATEMENTS & RELEASES
Remarks by President Trump in Press Briefing
HEALTHCARE
Issued on: September 23, 2020
James S. Brady Press Briefing Room
6:16 P.M. EDT
THE PRESIDENT: Hello. Thank you very much. Thank you. Today, Johnson & Johnson announced that their vaccine candidate has reached the final stage of clinical trials. This is record time. This is the fourth vaccine candidate in the United States to reach the final stage of trial. So we have four candidates already at a very late date. Late being a very positive word, in this case.
{snip}
Months ago, we increased our nations procurement of the flu vaccine by 66 percent, and we ask Americans to go get their annual flu shot as early as possible. Its possible, I would imagine, Scott, that the flu can get mixed up with the virus, and people can think its the virus when actually its another flu season coming on. I dont know, its I hope they can keep them separate. Can they keep them separate?
DR. ATLAS: We hope so.
THE PRESIDENT: Huh? I doubt they will. Its going to be a very interesting time.
But we have a flu season coming up. Weve had some flu seasons, which are really massive over the years over many years. And we have some that are much less so. But its still significant, so I hope they can separate them, because its its pretty close.
{snip}
Weve created the fastest economic recovery in American history. You are witnessing it. You are a part of it.
Our approach is pro-science. Bidens approach is anti-science. If you look, its I dont think they know what their approach is, although a lot of its copied from what weve done.
Biden opposed the China travel ban and the Europe travel ban. And the strategy that they have was just never-ending lockdowns. Were not locking down. Were actually growing at a rate that weve never experienced before. But theyre talking about if you have a question, just lock it down. Were not doing that, and you cant do that.
Our plan will crush the virus. And actually, Bidens plan will crush America, if you think about it. You cant lock down. Again, were growing at levels that nobody has ever seen before. Our plan is unleashing a rapid recovery. Our opponents plan would hurt America very badly. It would send us into a depression.
And with all of that being said, we are going to be having a very exciting Saturday at five oclock in the Rose Garden, where Ill be putting forth my nominee for Supreme Court Justice. And I think it will be a great nominee, a brilliant nominee. As you know, its a woman. We brought it down to five women. Its time for a woman to to be chosen, with everything thats happened and with Justice Ginsburgs passing.
We are going to go sometime tomorrow morning, as I understand it, to pay our respects. And well be over there, and I guess they probably put that announcement out. But thatll be done tomorrow morning. The Vice President was there today.
And so, if you have any questions, well take a few questions. Yeah.
Q Mr. President, real quickly: Win, lose, or draw in this election, will you commit here, today, for a peaceful transferal of power after the election? And there has been rioting in Louisville. Theres been rioting in many cities across this country red and your so-called red and blue states. Will you commit to making sure that there is a peaceful transferal of power after the election?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, were going to have to see what happens. You know that. Ive been complaining very strongly about the ballots. And the ballots are a disaster. And and
Q I understand that, but people are rioting. Do you commit to making sure that
THE PRESIDENT: Oh, I know. I know. Yeah, no, we want
Q theres a peaceful transferal of power?
THE PRESIDENT: We want to have get rid of the ballots and youll have a very trans- well have a very peaceful there wont be a transfer, frankly; therell be a continuation.
The ballots are out of control. You know it. And you know who knows it better than
Q No, sir. I dont know that.
THE PRESIDENT: anybody else? The Democrats know it better than anybody else.
Go ahead.
Q No, sir. Mr. President, the second question is, will you also
Q Thank you. Will you
THE PRESIDENT: Please, go ahead. Please, go ahead.
Q Why wont you commit why wont you
THE PRESIDENT: You asked a question.
Go ahead, please.
Q Mr. President, why wont you
Q Mr. President, do you plan to
THE PRESIDENT: Say it.
Q Mr. President, do you plan to meet with Barbara Lagoa at the White House?
THE PRESIDENT: Can you you I cannot hear you through your mask.
Q Im sorry. Do you plan to meet with Barbara Lagoa in Washington? And is she still on your shortlist?
THE PRESIDENT: She is on my list. I dont have a meeting planned, but she is on my list.
Q Do you do you have a
THE PRESIDENT: But I dont really talk about the meetings planned. I I speak to people. I talk to people. But I dont have a meeting planned. No.
{snip}
Q Thank you, Mr. President. Prince Harry and Meghan Markle chimed in on the U.S. election and essentially encouraged people to vote for Joe Biden. I wanted to get your reaction to that.
THE PRESIDENT: Im not a fan of hers. And I would say this and she has probably has heard that but, I wish a lot of luck to Harry because hes going to need it.
Yeah, please. Go ahead.
Q Mr. President, the FDA is reportedly considering stricter guidelines for the emergency authorization of a COVID vaccine. Are you okay with that?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, Ill tell you what, were looking at that, and that has to be approved by the White House. We may or may not approve it. That sounds like a political move, because when you have Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, Moderna, these great companies coming up with these the vaccines, and theyve done testing and everything else, Im saying, Why would they have to be, you know, adding great length to the process?
We want to have people not get sick. The vaccine is very important. Its the final step. I believe its going to be the final step. And no, were looking at that, but I think its I think that was a political move more than anything else.
{snip}
Q Are you amending
THE PRESIDENT: It sounded to me it sounded extremely political. Why would they do this when we come back with these great results? And I think you will have those great results, because why would we
Q Well, when do you expect this vaccine?
THE PRESIDENT: Why would we be delaying it? But were going to look at it. Were going to take a look at it. And ultimately, the White House has to approve it. And maybe we will, and maybe we wont. But well be taking
Look, I have to leave for an emergency phone call. Im going to let Scott and Larry finish up. Larry is going to talk about the economy.
Q Mr. President, just one more question on Breonna Taylor, if I can?
Q Whats the emergency phone call about?
THE PRESIDENT: So Ill be Ill be back. I will see you tomorrow. A big day.
Q Mr. President, if you can, just one more question on Breonna Taylor.
THE PRESIDENT: Excuse me. Excuse me.
Q Were at a time right now where Americans
Q Whos the call?
Q feel like we are on this carousel
THE PRESIDENT: Say it?
Q Whos the call?
THE PRESIDENT: I have a a big call. A very big call.
Q Mr. President, just one more question, if I can, on Breonna Taylor?
THE PRESIDENT: So Ill let you take over.
Q People are protesting in the streets. What is your message to them? People feel like we are on this carousel where another black life is being taken.
MS. MCENANY: So, here we have Dr. Scott Atlas and Larry Kudlow. I encourage you all to be respectful and show a little bit of decorum here as they take your questions.
{snip}
Q Dr. Atlas
DR. ATLAS: Yes.
Q Dr. Redfield today said that more than 90 percent of the population remains susceptible to coronavirus. Do you agree with that assessment?
DR. ATLAS: Yeah, I think that Dr. Redfield misstated something there. And the rea-
Q So he misstated last time and today?
DR. ATLAS: Im going to answer your question if youll let me finish.
Q Okay, please.
DR. ATLAS: The data on the susceptible that he was talking about was his surveillance data that showed that roughly 9 percent of the country has antibodies. But when you look at the CDC data state by state, much of that data is old. Some of it goes back to March or April, before many of these states had the cases. Thats point number one.
Point number two is that the immunity to the infection is not solely determined by the percent of people who have antibodies. If you look at the research and theres been about 24 papers at least on the immunity from T-cells thats a different type of immunity than antibodies. And without being boring, the reality is that according to the papers from Sweden, Singapore, and elsewhere there is cross-immunity, highly likely from other infections, and there is also T-cell immunity. And the combination of those makes the antibodies a small fraction of the people that have immunity.
So the answer is no, it is not 90 percent of people that are susceptible to the infection.
Q So I guess my question is for Im not a doctor; I defer to your expertise on this and to his. But so, Americans hear one thing from the CDC Director and another thing from you. Who are we to believe?
DR. ATLAS: Youre supposed to believe the science, and Im telling you the science.
Q So hes not telling us science?
DR. ATLAS: Im telling you the science, and thats the answer. And if you want to look up all the data, youre free to. You can also talk to the following epidemiologists
Q I guess, why is he still going out before Congress and speaking if you say hes misstated it today and the President said he misstated last time? Americans are looking for the best information right now.
DR. ATLAS: Yeah. And Im giving you the best information, and its confirmed by people like Martin Kulldorff, whos a Harvard epidemiologist at Harvard Medical School
Q So should we now
DR. ATLAS: Let me finish, please.
Q Please. Please.
DR. ATLAS: Jay Bhattacharya and John Ioannides, both epidemiologists at Stanford; Professor Gupta, University of Oxford. These are people who know the latest data on the immunology and whats happening. And I just recited it to you.
(Crosstalk.)
MR. KUDLOW: Im going to give Im going to give Scott a little time off. Im just going to give Scott a little time off.
I want to reinforce some of the things that President Trump said about the economy because thats very much a key part of this story. Weve got some new numbers out late last week and this week, and I wanted to underscore that.
If we can get the charts back up, I want to show you some more examples of the V-shaped recovery. I actually, I can jump in here.
This is from the Census Bureau Report: change in the number of people living in poverty. During President Trumps first three years, pre-pandemic, 6.6 million fewer people 6.6 million fewer people are living in poverty.
Q Whats the number post-pandemic?
MR. KUDLOW: And the
Q Whats the number post-pandemic?
MR. KUDLOW: Well, well have to wait and see on that. Were just beginning
Q Well, wouldnt that be more accurate wouldnt that be a more accurate chart?
MR. KUDLOW: Let me go to the under the Obama years, 787,000 people moved into poverty, so thats a problem.
And we have the second chart
Q Isnt that an old chart, though?
MR. KUDLOW: if we get no, this a brand-new this stuff just came out late last week.
Q But when you look
Q It says through 2019.
MR. KUDLOW: If I if I may, okay?
Q I just like accurate information.
MR. KUDLOW: This is the accurate information. This is
Q Its not 2020.
Q Doesnt it say through 2019, Larry?
MR. KUDLOW: This is from the Census Bureau, and it just
Q Its not 2020. Its like right now.
MR. KUDLOW: came back.
{snip}
So I just want to say, we have more work to do with respect to the to the recovery and return to economic health. We have more work to do. There is still hardship, and there is still heartbreak.
Q Do you know how many Americans
MR. KUDLOW: But the numbers coming in
Q Do you know how many Americans are living in poverty, right now, today?
MR. KUDLOW: The numbers actually, that wont be reported
Q Do you know the answer to that question?
MR. KUDLOW: That wont be reported
Q Do you know the answer to that question?
MR. KUDLOW: I can only wait until the Census Bureau I dont know if you cover this beat or not.
Q The most recent number of the number of Americans living in poverty right now do you happen to know that answer?
MR. KUDLOW: No.
Q Because were getting a you dont know that?
MR. KUDLOW: I will wait
Q Youre an economic adviser and you dont know that?
MR. KUDLOW: Yes, right. If youll just stop nitpicking, and let me explain to you.
Q Its not nitpicking.
MR. KUDLOW: These numbers
Q I dont want a history lesson; I want to know whats happening today.
MR. KUDLOW: Well, you should have a history lesson, too. It would help you understand.
Q (Inaudible.)
MR. KUDLOW: But Im going to say to you: These are Census Bureau numbers. The most accurate, comprehensive they are not out yet. So Im giving you the ones that were released late last week; they are the most up-to-date numbers.
{snip}
Yes, sir.
Q Today, in California, the governor issued an executive order designed to move the state to the point where there will be no gas-powered vehicles sold by 2035. What do you make of this move thats taking place in California? Do you expect it to spread around the country? What are the poli- the economic ramifications?
MR. KUDLOW: I dont expect it to spread, with respect to Governor Newsom, whom I know. It just seems like a very extreme position. I dont know how you get there.
Ill have a look at the proposal. If theres more detail and meat on the bones. I dont see this happening elsewhere. I dont think we should be taking any steps to get rid of fossil fuels, for example. And, by the way, there should be consumer choice for all automobiles, and that includes electric automobiles.
But Id have to look at the governors proposal. It just sounds very extreme to me. I dont know how you do it.
Yes.
{snip}
Im just saying: Lets be smart about some of these assistance measures. Thank you very much.
END 6:49 P.M. EDT
Remarks by President Trump in Press Briefing
HEALTHCARE
Issued on: September 23, 2020
James S. Brady Press Briefing Room
6:16 P.M. EDT
THE PRESIDENT: Hello. Thank you very much. Thank you. Today, Johnson & Johnson announced that their vaccine candidate has reached the final stage of clinical trials. This is record time. This is the fourth vaccine candidate in the United States to reach the final stage of trial. So we have four candidates already at a very late date. Late being a very positive word, in this case.
{snip}
Months ago, we increased our nations procurement of the flu vaccine by 66 percent, and we ask Americans to go get their annual flu shot as early as possible. Its possible, I would imagine, Scott, that the flu can get mixed up with the virus, and people can think its the virus when actually its another flu season coming on. I dont know, its I hope they can keep them separate. Can they keep them separate?
DR. ATLAS: We hope so.
THE PRESIDENT: Huh? I doubt they will. Its going to be a very interesting time.
But we have a flu season coming up. Weve had some flu seasons, which are really massive over the years over many years. And we have some that are much less so. But its still significant, so I hope they can separate them, because its its pretty close.
{snip}
Weve created the fastest economic recovery in American history. You are witnessing it. You are a part of it.
Our approach is pro-science. Bidens approach is anti-science. If you look, its I dont think they know what their approach is, although a lot of its copied from what weve done.
Biden opposed the China travel ban and the Europe travel ban. And the strategy that they have was just never-ending lockdowns. Were not locking down. Were actually growing at a rate that weve never experienced before. But theyre talking about if you have a question, just lock it down. Were not doing that, and you cant do that.
Our plan will crush the virus. And actually, Bidens plan will crush America, if you think about it. You cant lock down. Again, were growing at levels that nobody has ever seen before. Our plan is unleashing a rapid recovery. Our opponents plan would hurt America very badly. It would send us into a depression.
And with all of that being said, we are going to be having a very exciting Saturday at five oclock in the Rose Garden, where Ill be putting forth my nominee for Supreme Court Justice. And I think it will be a great nominee, a brilliant nominee. As you know, its a woman. We brought it down to five women. Its time for a woman to to be chosen, with everything thats happened and with Justice Ginsburgs passing.
We are going to go sometime tomorrow morning, as I understand it, to pay our respects. And well be over there, and I guess they probably put that announcement out. But thatll be done tomorrow morning. The Vice President was there today.
And so, if you have any questions, well take a few questions. Yeah.
Q Mr. President, real quickly: Win, lose, or draw in this election, will you commit here, today, for a peaceful transferal of power after the election? And there has been rioting in Louisville. Theres been rioting in many cities across this country red and your so-called red and blue states. Will you commit to making sure that there is a peaceful transferal of power after the election?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, were going to have to see what happens. You know that. Ive been complaining very strongly about the ballots. And the ballots are a disaster. And and
Q I understand that, but people are rioting. Do you commit to making sure that
THE PRESIDENT: Oh, I know. I know. Yeah, no, we want
Q theres a peaceful transferal of power?
THE PRESIDENT: We want to have get rid of the ballots and youll have a very trans- well have a very peaceful there wont be a transfer, frankly; therell be a continuation.
The ballots are out of control. You know it. And you know who knows it better than
Q No, sir. I dont know that.
THE PRESIDENT: anybody else? The Democrats know it better than anybody else.
Go ahead.
Q No, sir. Mr. President, the second question is, will you also
Q Thank you. Will you
THE PRESIDENT: Please, go ahead. Please, go ahead.
Q Why wont you commit why wont you
THE PRESIDENT: You asked a question.
Go ahead, please.
Q Mr. President, why wont you
Q Mr. President, do you plan to
THE PRESIDENT: Say it.
Q Mr. President, do you plan to meet with Barbara Lagoa at the White House?
THE PRESIDENT: Can you you I cannot hear you through your mask.
Q Im sorry. Do you plan to meet with Barbara Lagoa in Washington? And is she still on your shortlist?
THE PRESIDENT: She is on my list. I dont have a meeting planned, but she is on my list.
Q Do you do you have a
THE PRESIDENT: But I dont really talk about the meetings planned. I I speak to people. I talk to people. But I dont have a meeting planned. No.
{snip}
Q Thank you, Mr. President. Prince Harry and Meghan Markle chimed in on the U.S. election and essentially encouraged people to vote for Joe Biden. I wanted to get your reaction to that.
THE PRESIDENT: Im not a fan of hers. And I would say this and she has probably has heard that but, I wish a lot of luck to Harry because hes going to need it.
Yeah, please. Go ahead.
Q Mr. President, the FDA is reportedly considering stricter guidelines for the emergency authorization of a COVID vaccine. Are you okay with that?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, Ill tell you what, were looking at that, and that has to be approved by the White House. We may or may not approve it. That sounds like a political move, because when you have Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, Moderna, these great companies coming up with these the vaccines, and theyve done testing and everything else, Im saying, Why would they have to be, you know, adding great length to the process?
We want to have people not get sick. The vaccine is very important. Its the final step. I believe its going to be the final step. And no, were looking at that, but I think its I think that was a political move more than anything else.
{snip}
Q Are you amending
THE PRESIDENT: It sounded to me it sounded extremely political. Why would they do this when we come back with these great results? And I think you will have those great results, because why would we
Q Well, when do you expect this vaccine?
THE PRESIDENT: Why would we be delaying it? But were going to look at it. Were going to take a look at it. And ultimately, the White House has to approve it. And maybe we will, and maybe we wont. But well be taking
Look, I have to leave for an emergency phone call. Im going to let Scott and Larry finish up. Larry is going to talk about the economy.
Q Mr. President, just one more question on Breonna Taylor, if I can?
Q Whats the emergency phone call about?
THE PRESIDENT: So Ill be Ill be back. I will see you tomorrow. A big day.
Q Mr. President, if you can, just one more question on Breonna Taylor.
THE PRESIDENT: Excuse me. Excuse me.
Q Were at a time right now where Americans
Q Whos the call?
Q feel like we are on this carousel
THE PRESIDENT: Say it?
Q Whos the call?
THE PRESIDENT: I have a a big call. A very big call.
Q Mr. President, just one more question, if I can, on Breonna Taylor?
THE PRESIDENT: So Ill let you take over.
Q People are protesting in the streets. What is your message to them? People feel like we are on this carousel where another black life is being taken.
MS. MCENANY: So, here we have Dr. Scott Atlas and Larry Kudlow. I encourage you all to be respectful and show a little bit of decorum here as they take your questions.
{snip}
Q Dr. Atlas
DR. ATLAS: Yes.
Q Dr. Redfield today said that more than 90 percent of the population remains susceptible to coronavirus. Do you agree with that assessment?
DR. ATLAS: Yeah, I think that Dr. Redfield misstated something there. And the rea-
Q So he misstated last time and today?
DR. ATLAS: Im going to answer your question if youll let me finish.
Q Okay, please.
DR. ATLAS: The data on the susceptible that he was talking about was his surveillance data that showed that roughly 9 percent of the country has antibodies. But when you look at the CDC data state by state, much of that data is old. Some of it goes back to March or April, before many of these states had the cases. Thats point number one.
Point number two is that the immunity to the infection is not solely determined by the percent of people who have antibodies. If you look at the research and theres been about 24 papers at least on the immunity from T-cells thats a different type of immunity than antibodies. And without being boring, the reality is that according to the papers from Sweden, Singapore, and elsewhere there is cross-immunity, highly likely from other infections, and there is also T-cell immunity. And the combination of those makes the antibodies a small fraction of the people that have immunity.
So the answer is no, it is not 90 percent of people that are susceptible to the infection.
Q So I guess my question is for Im not a doctor; I defer to your expertise on this and to his. But so, Americans hear one thing from the CDC Director and another thing from you. Who are we to believe?
DR. ATLAS: Youre supposed to believe the science, and Im telling you the science.
Q So hes not telling us science?
DR. ATLAS: Im telling you the science, and thats the answer. And if you want to look up all the data, youre free to. You can also talk to the following epidemiologists
Q I guess, why is he still going out before Congress and speaking if you say hes misstated it today and the President said he misstated last time? Americans are looking for the best information right now.
DR. ATLAS: Yeah. And Im giving you the best information, and its confirmed by people like Martin Kulldorff, whos a Harvard epidemiologist at Harvard Medical School
Q So should we now
DR. ATLAS: Let me finish, please.
Q Please. Please.
DR. ATLAS: Jay Bhattacharya and John Ioannides, both epidemiologists at Stanford; Professor Gupta, University of Oxford. These are people who know the latest data on the immunology and whats happening. And I just recited it to you.
(Crosstalk.)
MR. KUDLOW: Im going to give Im going to give Scott a little time off. Im just going to give Scott a little time off.
I want to reinforce some of the things that President Trump said about the economy because thats very much a key part of this story. Weve got some new numbers out late last week and this week, and I wanted to underscore that.
If we can get the charts back up, I want to show you some more examples of the V-shaped recovery. I actually, I can jump in here.
This is from the Census Bureau Report: change in the number of people living in poverty. During President Trumps first three years, pre-pandemic, 6.6 million fewer people 6.6 million fewer people are living in poverty.
Q Whats the number post-pandemic?
MR. KUDLOW: And the
Q Whats the number post-pandemic?
MR. KUDLOW: Well, well have to wait and see on that. Were just beginning
Q Well, wouldnt that be more accurate wouldnt that be a more accurate chart?
MR. KUDLOW: Let me go to the under the Obama years, 787,000 people moved into poverty, so thats a problem.
And we have the second chart
Q Isnt that an old chart, though?
MR. KUDLOW: if we get no, this a brand-new this stuff just came out late last week.
Q But when you look
Q It says through 2019.
MR. KUDLOW: If I if I may, okay?
Q I just like accurate information.
MR. KUDLOW: This is the accurate information. This is
Q Its not 2020.
Q Doesnt it say through 2019, Larry?
MR. KUDLOW: This is from the Census Bureau, and it just
Q Its not 2020. Its like right now.
MR. KUDLOW: came back.
{snip}
So I just want to say, we have more work to do with respect to the to the recovery and return to economic health. We have more work to do. There is still hardship, and there is still heartbreak.
Q Do you know how many Americans
MR. KUDLOW: But the numbers coming in
Q Do you know how many Americans are living in poverty, right now, today?
MR. KUDLOW: The numbers actually, that wont be reported
Q Do you know the answer to that question?
MR. KUDLOW: That wont be reported
Q Do you know the answer to that question?
MR. KUDLOW: I can only wait until the Census Bureau I dont know if you cover this beat or not.
Q The most recent number of the number of Americans living in poverty right now do you happen to know that answer?
MR. KUDLOW: No.
Q Because were getting a you dont know that?
MR. KUDLOW: I will wait
Q Youre an economic adviser and you dont know that?
MR. KUDLOW: Yes, right. If youll just stop nitpicking, and let me explain to you.
Q Its not nitpicking.
MR. KUDLOW: These numbers
Q I dont want a history lesson; I want to know whats happening today.
MR. KUDLOW: Well, you should have a history lesson, too. It would help you understand.
Q (Inaudible.)
MR. KUDLOW: But Im going to say to you: These are Census Bureau numbers. The most accurate, comprehensive they are not out yet. So Im giving you the ones that were released late last week; they are the most up-to-date numbers.
{snip}
Yes, sir.
Q Today, in California, the governor issued an executive order designed to move the state to the point where there will be no gas-powered vehicles sold by 2035. What do you make of this move thats taking place in California? Do you expect it to spread around the country? What are the poli- the economic ramifications?
MR. KUDLOW: I dont expect it to spread, with respect to Governor Newsom, whom I know. It just seems like a very extreme position. I dont know how you get there.
Ill have a look at the proposal. If theres more detail and meat on the bones. I dont see this happening elsewhere. I dont think we should be taking any steps to get rid of fossil fuels, for example. And, by the way, there should be consumer choice for all automobiles, and that includes electric automobiles.
But Id have to look at the governors proposal. It just sounds very extreme to me. I dont know how you do it.
Yes.
{snip}
Im just saying: Lets be smart about some of these assistance measures. Thank you very much.
END 6:49 P.M. EDT
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