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Wed Jun 22, 2022, 10:35 PM

Robert Reich: Liz Cheney For President? - OpEd

I trust Joe Biden’s steadiness and judgment, and if he runs again, I’ll probably back him in 2024. But today I want to suggest someone who isn’t even a Democrat, and whose positions on many issues I (and I suspect you) strongly disagree with — but who could possibly be the best president of the United States for the perilous time we’re entering.

I’m referring to Liz Cheney.

Before you reject this idea out of hand, please bear with me.

I’ve been in and around American politics for well over a half century. I’ve never seen this nation as bitterly divided as it is now — not during the Civil Rights movement, not during the Vietnam War, not during Watergate. And it looks as if the current division is growing deeper and even more dangerous.

Donald Trump didn’t just attempt a coup. He attempted to push America into a civil war. And he’s still at it — endorsing candidates who will repeat his Big Lie that the 2020 election was stolen from him, encouraging states to change their election laws so Republican lawmakers can disregard the popular vote, and pushing them to install secretaries of state and other election officials who will count votes in ways favorable to Republicans — especially him, should he run for president again in 2024.

(snip)

It will be impossible to reunite this nation without a leader who is the exact opposite of Trump — driven not by narcissism but by a passion for the rule of law and the Constitution — someone who has staked everything on opposing Trump’s demagogic authoritarianism, someone with huge stores of courage and integrity. Since the attack on the Capitol, Liz Cheney has demonstrated more courage and integrity than any other politician in America. Democratic lawmakers have opposed Trump’s Big Lie, to be sure, but most knew they wouldn’t pay a price for their opposition. Cheney knew she would pay a price — and she has.

Six days after the attack on the Capitol — when no other Republican in the House or Senate was willing to rebuke Trump — she said this on the House floor:

Much more will become clear in the coming days and weeks, but what we know now is enough. The President of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack. Everything that followed was his doing. None of this would have happened without the President. The President could have immediately and forcefully intervened to stop the violence. He did not. There has never been a greater betrayal by a President of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution.

More..

https://www.eurasiareview.com/15062022-robert-reich-liz-cheney-for-president-oped/

(We are not supposed to promote R's for president on these pages but coming from Robert Reich, knowing for his left opinions I find it interesting, academically. I hope that it will not be removed).

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Reply Robert Reich: Liz Cheney For President? - OpEd (Original post)
question everything Jun 22 OP
WA-03 Democrat Jun 22 #1
Liberty Belle Jun 22 #2
SharonClark Jun 22 #5
OAITW r.2.0 Jun 22 #9
FoxNewsSucks Jun 22 #10
SharonClark Jun 22 #3
OAITW r.2.0 Jun 22 #4
dweller Jun 22 #6
OAITW r.2.0 Jun 22 #12
intheflow Jun 22 #36
pazzyanne Jun 23 #43
elleng Jun 22 #7
FoxNewsSucks Jun 22 #8
Haggard Celine Jun 22 #17
intheflow Jun 22 #38
Haggard Celine Jun 23 #39
Dysfunctional Jun 23 #46
dixiechiken1 Jun 22 #18
SheltieLover Jun 22 #11
OAITW r.2.0 Jun 22 #14
SheltieLover Jun 22 #22
question everything Jun 22 #21
SheltieLover Jun 22 #24
FoxNewsSucks Jun 22 #31
greatauntoftriplets Jun 22 #13
SheltieLover Jun 22 #25
dixiechiken1 Jun 22 #15
happy feet Jun 22 #16
SheltieLover Jun 22 #26
Joinfortmill Jun 22 #19
colsohlibgal Jun 22 #20
Skittles Jun 22 #23
SheltieLover Jun 22 #27
Ferrets are Cool Jun 22 #28
SheltieLover Jun 22 #30
Ferrets are Cool Jun 22 #32
SheltieLover Jun 22 #33
SheltieLover Jun 22 #29
tblue37 Jun 22 #34
Jack-o-Lantern Jun 22 #35
LoisB Jun 22 #37
Solly Mack Jun 23 #40
ymetca Jun 23 #41
rampartc Jun 23 #42
Bucky Jun 23 #48
rampartc Jun 24 #49
Rebl2 Jun 23 #44
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Bucky Jun 23 #47
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Response to question everything (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 10:38 PM

1. Sorry Bob

No way and no how.

Let’s Go Joe!

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 10:40 PM

2. I would not vote for her, but if the GOP had any ethics they should nominate her, not Trump.

At least conservatives would have an ethical choice to vote for, instead of a choice between a progressive Democrat and a traitorous hatemonger.

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 10:43 PM

5. So true.

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 10:45 PM

9. The right rebuttal to Sec. Reich's OpEd.

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 10:46 PM

10. I don't know that I would call her "ethical"

in the usual meaning of that word. She may have ethics, but they are not the ones decent people have.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 10:42 PM

3. Reich has jumped the shark.

There are many Dems that love the constitution more than Cheney does. She is her father’s daughter.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 10:43 PM

4. I get what he is saying......

but, Jezus, 10 years ago, she was the Republican Right.....

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 10:43 PM

6. Nope

But maybe President Biden could offer a cabinet position if she’s not re-elected for her stalwart position for J6

But not voting R this late in my life, D only


✌🏻

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Response to dweller (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 10:47 PM

12. Sec. of Interior?

That would be interesting....

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:36 PM

36. Absolutely not.

I am very happy with the Native American woman in that position now. Our interior definitely should not ever, ever be managed by a Cheney, unless you want the whole country strip-mined and fracked.

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Response to intheflow (Reply #36)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 08:50 AM

43. + 1000 nt

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 10:44 PM

7. Thanks

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 10:44 PM

8. I wouldn't consider this post to be promoting it

and I'm glad you posted it. I hadn't seen it elsewhere. I generally agree with Robert Reich on all his economic theories.

I'd even agree that republicons, if they were actual conservatives, should back her.

But I also think Liz Cheney is every bit the evil powergrabber her rotten father is. One need look no further than the way she treated her own sister to get the WY House seat. No way should anyone else vote for her. She is ONLY on our side against tRump/MAGA because they are in HER way, blocking her path to power.

Take her help when we need it, but keep that in mind.

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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 10:52 PM

17. Well said.

She hopes to eventually gain from the position she’s taking now. She’s betting the Republican Party will see the light and turn away from Trump and his acolytes. But they won’t. They’re getting worse all the time. I would never vote for her, but she would never win the GOP nomination anyway. She’s dead to them

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Response to Haggard Celine (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:42 PM

38. Honestly, the longer this all goes on, the more I think

the GOP will splinter into two parties. One will retain the name Republican, and the other will claim a new name (MAGA Party? Patriot Conservatives?), though I still can't decide which side will be retain the name. Or which side will emerge from the split with more support.

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Response to intheflow (Reply #38)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 12:03 AM

39. I could see that happening.

There are a significant number of people who refuse to watch the committee hearings and don't believe any of the evidence against Trump. There are a lot of practical people in the party who won't follow those who want to go off into a different reality. Right now, I'd say that MAGA has the most support in the GOP. The serious people in that party are a definite minority.

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Response to intheflow (Reply #38)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 07:51 PM

46. The good and the bad of it.

The good is that would make it easier for us to elect the president and gain a big control of both Houses. The bad would be if the better of the two would siphon off independents from the Democratic Party enough for the presidential and vice-presidential vote to end up with Congress picking the president and vice-president although I don't think that would happen. That is why I don't want there to be three strong parties until the Constitution is changed.

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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 10:52 PM

18. ☝️☝️☝️

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 10:47 PM

11. ...

Sounds like Joe Biden to me:

It will be impossible to reunite this nation without a leader who is the exact opposite of Trump — driven not by narcissism but by a passion for the rule of law and the Constitution — someone who has staked everything on opposing Trump’s demagogic authoritarianism, someone with huge stores of courage and integrity.


No. No qpukes. Period. Ever.

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 10:50 PM

14. 4 more years of Joe?

Yes Please

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:06 PM

22. +1,000,000!!!

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:05 PM

21. I think that the emphasis is on courage

Yes, Biden and most Democrats are the exact opposite of Winy Donny but this does not demand courage from them. It is a given.

I don't even know how physically safe she and her family are.

And it is a sad state of affairs that we welcome a behavior that should be a given, that would be normal with Republicans just 30 years ago. As we remember Watergate we also remember Goldwater. Goldwater! The War monger of the 1964 elections.

I think that on these pages some suggested that she switch parties. No way! She is a conservative as they come. But on these events she has shown courage that will cost her politically.

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Response to question everything (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:08 PM

24. I agree

But courage should not be a big deal. It is expected!

Goes with the territiry imo.

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Response to question everything (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:12 PM

31. I'd temper that "courage" description

with the reminder that she has nothing to lose.

The MAGAts have blocked her way to power. I really think that's the only reason she and other BushCheneyCo era republicons oppose the MAGAts.

Frankenstein's monster got out of control. That's all it is to her.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 10:49 PM

13. Has Reich checked out her House voting record?

She's not one of us.

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:09 PM

25. Right!

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 10:51 PM

15. Slim to none snowball's chance in hell...

She's not batshit crazy so she'll never get the far right vote. And while I believe we can all appreciate her integrity, she still voted with Trump something like 90% of the time. And she's still Dick Cheney's daughter. She won't get the progressive vote.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 10:52 PM

16. NO!

So she’s rewarded for upholding her constitutional responsibilities while Dems who ALWAYS uphold the constitution step aside for a conservative Repub who voted almost unanimously for Repub/Trump policies? That’s what is wrong with us-we don’t appreciate those of us, like Biden for doing their jobs on behalf of the public day in day out while singling out for praise those who occasionally do the right thing. Just stop it already.

Now watch the MSN pick up this drumbeat/-:

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Response to happy feet (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:09 PM

26. +1,000!

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:00 PM

19. I wouldn't be surprised.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:03 PM

20. Please No

I admire her principled stand against Twitler aka Trump. It feels odd praising her but she has shown moxie drawing a symbolic line in the sand against that Orange evil idiot. As has Kissinger.

But beyond that just no. We have to take back both houses.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:07 PM

23. NO MORE CHENEYS

FUCK NO

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Response to Skittles (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:10 PM

27. You said it!

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:10 PM

28. I rarely disagree with Robert, but I gag at the thought of what he is proposing.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #28)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:11 PM

30. Same here, Ferret!

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:13 PM

32. ...

Hope you are doing great!!

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #32)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:14 PM

33. Thx! Same to you & Mrs!

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:11 PM

29. She is also against investigatingg tfg's qpuke coconspirators in congress!

No! Just no.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:19 PM

34. No.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:36 PM

35. Same here, nope!

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:40 PM

37. No.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 12:22 AM

40. SMH

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 12:29 AM

41. Getting tired

of this "nation bitterly divided" propaganda.

There's about 30% of the electorate who want anything the GOP is selling, and 25% of those are in the tippy top income brackets. The rest can be flipped. Just ask Bernie.

What we're witnessing is the MSM fostering this crap of a "bitterly divided" nation, making it seem like HALF the country is out to kill the other half. It's just not true, but it keeps the ad dollars rolling in. Small red states, owned by plutocrats, have bought themselves a money train.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 02:27 AM

42. on this subject i posted in a different forum .....

robert reich is floating "liz cheney " for president

and he makes a good case. quoting her speech on the house floor in jan 2021 .....

"Much more will become clear in the coming days and weeks, but what we know now is enough. The President of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack. Everything that followed was his doing. None of this would have happened without the President. The President could have immediately and forcefully intervened to stop the violence. He did not. There has never been a greater betrayal by a President of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution."


my own opinion : not no but hell no. yes, it has taken courage for her to stand up to dear leader but she is also a very conservative traditional republican. the kind i have opposed for my adult life.

after ms cheney loses in her reelection primary, biden should offer her a job, maybe as ambassador to someplace quiet and peaceful. like libya or kuwait. do you think the senate would confirm that nomination?

Robert Reich: Liz Cheney For President? – OpEd – Eurasia Review

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Response to rampartc (Reply #42)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 08:00 PM

48. But she's not a "traditional" Republican. She's a neocon

Her feud with Trump's neofascists started because Trump denounced the Iraq invasion, called her daddy's pet war "a big waste."

Bob Dole was a traditional Republican. Jerry Ford was. Adam Kinzinger is most of the time.

Thinking Cheney is a good fit for the White House is like waiting till after you've vomited up the gallon of bleach before saying, "Let's go back to drinking that arsenic." It's a less caustic poison, but it'll still send your neighbors' kids off to fight for oil.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #48)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 01:52 AM

49. +1

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 11:09 AM

44. That's a BIG NO

on that.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 06:40 PM

45. No nt

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 07:54 PM

47. Look out, Iraq! We're coming back for you! It's gonna be Gulf War 3!

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Response to Bucky (Reply #47)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:30 AM

51. Misogyny? We should be able to separate any woman from her spouse or her father

to judge and evaluate them by their own actions. Unless a man is always by their side whispering in their ears. Or they are on record supporting actions by the men in their lives.


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Response to question everything (Original post)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 06:41 AM

50. The first woman president is already in line

Kamala Harris. Hillary won by the popular vote. Liz Cheney, Nope.

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