Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 05:01 PM Jan 2014

Shocking Documentary - How You Are being Mind Controlled and Don't Know It -

Last edited Wed Jan 22, 2014, 06:09 PM - Edit history (1)

This video is a product of North Korea, but there are many ideas presented in it that I can't find myself disagreeing with.

The title is not my choice, but forum rules of the Video forum state the title must read as it is at YouTube.

I want to point out - this video needs a GRAPHIC WARNING.

&sns=fb
21 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Shocking Documentary - How You Are being Mind Controlled and Don't Know It - (Original Post) truedelphi Jan 2014 OP
Skimmed through; looks accurate. snot Jan 2014 #1
The Trap: What Ever Happened to Our Dream of Freedom mckara Jan 2014 #18
That looks very interesting BelgianMadCow Jan 2014 #2
I am not sure I have seen that one. Will definitely check it out later today. truedelphi Jan 2014 #6
This is pure horseshit. Archae Jan 2014 #3
Sheesh! I don't think anyone here on DU (Unless there are now truedelphi Jan 2014 #5
Bravo! ReRe Jan 2014 #21
Goodness! chervilant Jan 2014 #8
That one I do plan on looking up. Archae Jan 2014 #11
The mentioned video has none of those drawbacks, and puts up a rather confronting mirror BelgianMadCow Jan 2014 #14
Thanks. Makes some very good points. indivisibleman Jan 2014 #4
I think you want to add "graphic warning" to your title, even though BelgianMadCow Jan 2014 #7
Video Forum rules state I must not add any word to the title - I must only list the truedelphi Jan 2014 #13
Thank you BelgianMadCow Jan 2014 #16
Well I appreciate you asking me to do this. truedelphi Jan 2014 #17
Grr... kenfrequed Jan 2014 #9
Not sure I follow you. I mean, many of us here hate Nazi Germany - truedelphi Jan 2014 #10
That is where Nazi Germany won WW2. Archae Jan 2014 #12
One of the first people who befriended me truedelphi Jan 2014 #15
Ok, how about this. kenfrequed Jan 2014 #20
That's a great film. CanSocDem Jan 2014 #19

snot

(10,478 posts)
1. Skimmed through; looks accurate.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 05:13 PM
Jan 2014

Cf. British BBC documentarian Adam Curtis's "Century of the Self," for starters.

 

mckara

(1,708 posts)
18. The Trap: What Ever Happened to Our Dream of Freedom
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 06:45 PM
Jan 2014

You should also watch Adam Curtis's, The Trap, after the Century of the Self, to get a broader vision of these topics.

BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
2. That looks very interesting
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 05:19 PM
Jan 2014

and very close in its central theme to the probably less controversially sourced BBC4 docu "The Century of the Self".

Which can be seen in its entirety here:

https://archive.org/details/TheCenturyOfTheSelf

Gonna carry on watching now, thanks for posting.

Archae

(46,260 posts)
3. This is pure horseshit.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 05:24 PM
Jan 2014

North Korean propaganda.

The mere fact the text at the start speaks so glowingly of their "Dear Leader" and "Eternal President" speaks volumes.

We are always being bombarded by ads.
We always have been, ("You deserve a break today, at McRome's...) and always will be.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
5. Sheesh! I don't think anyone here on DU (Unless there are now
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 05:32 PM
Jan 2014

No Korean governmental trolls!) is going to pack up and move to No Korea and support the "Dear Leader" or "Eternal President" on the basis of this documentary.

If I had posted some video that indicated the style of propaganda that Hitler used to win over the hearts and minds of Germans during the Thirties, would you lack the skills of discernment necessary to realize that I was not advocating a Nazi Skinhead nation here in current day USA?
Or would you find it of interest for showing you things you hadn't known about the propaganda that had influenced the perception of people who had lived during the Third Reich.

I guess if I had posted a clip from the move "Idiocracy," you might think I was advertising and promoting the TV show "Ouch my balls" !!

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
21. Bravo!
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 02:32 AM
Jan 2014

Seriously... some people on DU think that because you upload something for an OP that you are an advocate of it, even when it is so blatant that no one on DU could support something like that.
Oh well, I hope they catch on and learn to like education some day.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
8. Goodness!
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 05:50 PM
Jan 2014

Maybe you would be interested in watching "The Century of the Self" to understand why truedelphi posted this video. Also, consider reading up on Edward Bernays.

Archae

(46,260 posts)
11. That one I do plan on looking up.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 06:02 PM
Jan 2014

The OP video is nothing but "Everything in the US is evil, our Dear Leader is a God who knows all and our government is perfect!" Bullshit.

BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
14. The mentioned video has none of those drawbacks, and puts up a rather confronting mirror
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 06:14 PM
Jan 2014

we have allowed ourself to accept evil, death, misery, poverty and ecocide in order to support our consumerist ways.

So the answer is equally easy. Stop consuming. Share & repair.

indivisibleman

(482 posts)
4. Thanks. Makes some very good points.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 05:26 PM
Jan 2014

I personally like this one:

“Support our troops” You need to develop a slogan that no one will be against. One in which nobody really knows what the slogan means because it doesn't mean anything.

BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
7. I think you want to add "graphic warning" to your title, even though
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 05:45 PM
Jan 2014

sometimes the ugly truth needs to be seen. But perhaps not by all indiscriminately.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
13. Video Forum rules state I must not add any word to the title - I must only list the
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 06:06 PM
Jan 2014

Actual title as it is listed at YouTubes.

I would have chosen a different title, but rules forbid.

And I do like your idea - the graphic warning. I think I will put it in the text of my OP.

BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
16. Thank you
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 06:20 PM
Jan 2014

the dolphin killing makes me ill, among several other parts. As it bloody well should.

I wonder how long "we" can close our eyes to the terrible injustice of the worldview we accept.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
9. Grr...
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 05:50 PM
Jan 2014

There may be some truth to the video.

The real problem I have is the source. I hate a country that worships it's leader with religious and fanatical reverence trying to lecture us about mind control. It is absurd.

"The truth told with ill intent beats any lie you can invent."

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
10. Not sure I follow you. I mean, many of us here hate Nazi Germany -
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 06:01 PM
Jan 2014

In fact, probably safe to say everyone here hated Nazi Germany, yet we still read about it. We still have watched videos about how the propaganda mills worked and what the Third Reich Germans were being told.

I am not sure what your objection is. This is what people in No Korea are currently being told. I am certainly not advocating that we move to No Korea, or send monies to Kim Jong-un.

Among other things I found of interest, that they know from having this propaganda thrown at them is this factoid about the USA: that only one percent of our society has any wealth and any real power. I found that interesting - that they realize that, while so many here don't. (In fact,there was a poll taken here in the USA, and 70% of all Americans think their income ranks them in the top five percent of income earners! No wonder we Occupyers cannot get things to change very easily.)



Archae

(46,260 posts)
12. That is where Nazi Germany won WW2.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 06:04 PM
Jan 2014

The propaganda front.

No other country could match Nazi Germany's propaganda.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
15. One of the first people who befriended me
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 06:17 PM
Jan 2014

When I moved here to California was a guy whose grandmother had raised him as a little German boy, when his NYC parents left him there in Germany in the Thirties.

The grandmother spent her life going to Hitler rallies. She was a staunch supporter of Hitler. She believed that his polices on racial cleansing would eliminate the rich Jewish people.

One more thing - she was Jewish herself!

Luckily for my friend, she died in mid 1937, and he was back in NYC before his life would have been forever changed by the policies of the man his Grandma loved. His account of all of this was eye opening in terms of how effective the propaganda was.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
20. Ok, how about this.
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 12:12 AM
Jan 2014

There are hundreds of good documentaries that cover the use of public relations and advertising on the human mind. There are hundreds of good books that cover this as well. One of my favorites is actually a series of essays is a series of essays called "Brave New World Revisited" by Aldous Huxley who goes into bringing some of the themes and elements of his book into the world.

Why the hell, with everything written on the subject would you possibly think it is a good idea to use a North Korean propaganda film to try to make a point that has been made many times by far more honest critics, academics, artists, and thinkers?

A tiny part of me wonders if you aren't trying to undermine the very idea of objectively looking at the brainwashing techniques of public relations. But I think that may be giving you far too much credit.


And then your discussion of Nazi propaganda and how we currently study it for what it is? Are you then disagreeing with the premise of PR being a form of control or not? I don't know what your frigging point it. I personally think you may just be trying to somehow get hits on a North Korean propaganda film on a left leaning website to try to generate some kind of bullshit association argument. (which is particularly ironic if you look up the informal fallacy reduction ad Hitlerum)

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
19. That's a great film.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 07:28 PM
Jan 2014

A crystallization of all of Michael Moore's films. Some shocking images but when the films thesis is propaganda they can't be avoided. Despite the reality of modern corporate society, the film shows some optimism in the power of the human spirit. By that time one can even forgive the tacked on invitation to do it in North Korea.

Prepare to give yourself a half-time intermission. If you miss even a couple of minutes you may miss your best opportunity to find fault in the laid bare reality of your cherished propaganda.

It's anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-church but most important Anti-Corporation.

Highly recommended for everybody, all ages.


.
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»Video & Multimedia»Shocking Documentary - Ho...