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kpete

(71,904 posts)
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 11:54 PM Sep 2014

Colin Powell: GOP Headed For A 'Brick Wall'



General Colin Powell sat down with Bill Maher on "Real Time With Bill Maher" recently for a chat. Bill Maher asked him "what has happened to your party?" And, General Powell answered with facts that most of us here already know. The GOP has taken a hard turn to the right. The party does not appeal to minorities (or most women). And, the GOP is likely to hit a "brick wall" fairly soon if it does not change, because minorities will be the majority in about twenty years or so.

The GOP has remained stubbornly resistant to changing (in any meaningful way), which is just fine with me as a democrat. I'd like nothing better than for them to hit that metaphorical "brick wall."


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/09/25/1332333/-Colin-Powell-GOP-Headed-For-A-Brick-Wall
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Colin Powell: GOP Headed For A 'Brick Wall' (Original Post) kpete Sep 2014 OP
The Brick Wall Can't happen soon enough. leftieNanner Sep 2014 #1
Too bad he didn't "tell it like it is" at the UN Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #5
He was given bogus information by George and Dick leftieNanner Sep 2014 #11
WE suspected it was crap from the beginning FiveGoodMen Sep 2014 #13
Good point. leftieNanner Sep 2014 #14
Because your suspicion had no basis. You guessed right on a boolean proposition. stevenleser Sep 2014 #17
Nonsense Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #24
It is Orwelian doublespeak for you to characterize using facts to make decisions thusly. stevenleser Sep 2014 #29
I'm sorry to say this Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #35
There is nothing arrogant about it. I've put a lot of research into this issue and I am tired of stevenleser Sep 2014 #43
You assume what others know, or don't know. That alone is arrogant. Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #44
It IS arrogant, VOP… plain and simple arrogance... MrMickeysMom Sep 2014 #53
Saddam Hussein was in a bind too Turbineguy Sep 2014 #52
no, lots of people knew, and there were authoritative exposés all over the place Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #34
And they all guessed on a yes/no question. Sorry, that doesn't make their opinion authoritative stevenleser Sep 2014 #42
But you have absolutely no knowledge of what others know, or do not know, or when or how. Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #45
Powell should be ashamed to show his face in public. Shemp Howard Sep 2014 #2
your post is fine with me noiretextatique Sep 2014 #3
Agree 100% Perseus Sep 2014 #8
I won't disagree with what you say ... CaptainTruth Sep 2014 #10
Do you think Powell was/is an idiot? The evidence against Iraq was so obviously fake to anyone A Simple Game Sep 2014 #12
It wasn't 'obviously fake' until the UN Weapons inspectors team started their work and began stevenleser Sep 2014 #15
It's well known Britain didn't believe the WMD stories. As for most of the others? A Simple Game Sep 2014 #18
That is all incorrect. Anyone who knows how the CIA works knows what you wrote is wrong stevenleser Sep 2014 #19
My cherry picking proved in the long run to be true, yours not so much. A Simple Game Sep 2014 #20
I was right about everything I wrote. I was against the war but because I had information. stevenleser Sep 2014 #21
Wow you had super secret information no one else could access, are you special or what? A Simple Game Sep 2014 #22
Nope. I followed the public information from the UN Weapons inspectors. As I have been saying. stevenleser Sep 2014 #23
But some guy in post number 15 said this. A Simple Game Sep 2014 #25
That's exactly right. I followed the evidence and I was right, because of the evidence. stevenleser Sep 2014 #26
Reading yes, if you had done your you would have known before the A Simple Game Sep 2014 #31
Your attempts at revisionist history will not work. I researched this all for articles years ago. stevenleser Sep 2014 #32
Now you're making me wonder again if A Simple Game Sep 2014 #33
Comparing me to her is not an insult. stevenleser Sep 2014 #41
I'm sorry you thought being compared to ProSense was an insult. Where did you get that from? A Simple Game Sep 2014 #49
You are ruining your credibility here on DU. Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #37
No, I'm not. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #39
For me, you have, though I'm sure you don't care; but I once was a fan. Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #47
why are you so into proving you are right? Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #36
I have no idea what this post of yours even means. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #40
What it means is this: I noticed earlier in many if not all your posts, you kept making the point Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #46
It also means that wars are fought because each side believes and insists they are right, Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #48
Well said. Major Hogwash Sep 2014 #50
O ferKYRISTMAS'sake, Colin Powell is among the worst of the worst, in the world. delrem Sep 2014 #4
^This.^ Once a liar, always a liar. IMHO. blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #6
General Powell, we cannot compromise with the "far right" as you described them. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #7
Most of the fools running the Congress know that in 20 it won't matter to them...they will be gone. kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #9
20 years??!?!?!?!? LiberalElite Sep 2014 #16
I don't think the GOP is unaware. I think they just don't care. notadmblnd Sep 2014 #27
Colin Powell pitched the American people and the world a load of crap on Iraq AND 3rdwaydem Sep 2014 #28
But youre not willing to jump ship are you Colin? SummerSnow Sep 2014 #30
The American profiteering corruption machine polynomial Sep 2014 #38
I would love to agree, but DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #51

leftieNanner

(14,999 posts)
11. He was given bogus information by George and Dick
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 11:45 AM
Sep 2014

I don't believe that he would have given that presentation at the UN if he hadn't believed it to be true.

leftieNanner

(14,999 posts)
14. Good point.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 08:02 PM
Sep 2014

WE did know it was crap. I took my children (aged 9 and 11) to march against the war in San Francisco. What an incredible collection of "peace-niks" that was! Really inspiring. Too bad General Powell didn't figure it out and join us.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
17. Because your suspicion had no basis. You guessed right on a boolean proposition.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 10:04 PM
Sep 2014

As I wrote in #15 below, no one knew and pretty much all of the governments in the world suspected he was producing WMD. It wasnt until late January when the UN weapons inspector reports came in that the truth began to become clear. It was crystal clear on March 7th with the final UN weapons inspector reports.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
24. Nonsense
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 10:31 AM
Sep 2014

Before the second Iraq War, Iraq had been one of the most bombed, most sanctioned, and most surveilled countries in the world for 12 years. It would have been impossible for Saddam to have developed and produced weapons of mass destruction on any significant scale. And the "information" about WMDs was provided by two of the greatest liars ever to call themselves President and Vice President.

bu$h started bombing Iraq just three weeks into his fraudulent administration. He, or whoever was pulling his strings, wanted a war with Iraq badly.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
29. It is Orwelian doublespeak for you to characterize using facts to make decisions thusly.
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 12:34 PM
Sep 2014

All the evidence is in my favor. Every single government in the world suspected that Iraq had WMD or was concealing a program to reconstitute them. That is why there was a global push to get the weapons inspectors back into Iraq.

The fact that you think guessing right on a Boolean proposition makes you somehow smart or right and others should be punished for not guessing right is the equivalent of a four year old thinking they are Nostradamus because before flipping a coin they guessed right on whether heads or tails would be face up.

All of the history on this is documented and it all supports me. What you are doing and saying also weakens the argument against the Bush administration for people go to around claiming they divined in the wind that WMD didn't exist and that is why what Bush did is bad/wrong/a war crime. There is a factual reason at a very specific point in time prior to the Iraq war where you can say there were no WMD in Iraq and that date is March 7 2003. Before then it was a guess on a yes/no question.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_steven_l_061219_iraq_war__96_when_the_.htm

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Iraq-War--Six-Year-Annive-by-Steven-Leser-090304-145.html

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
43. There is nothing arrogant about it. I've put a lot of research into this issue and I am tired of
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 09:56 PM
Sep 2014

people attempting to use revisionist history to fit their agendas.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
53. It IS arrogant, VOP… plain and simple arrogance...
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 09:39 AM
Sep 2014

It's also inaccurate to claim you know more unless you're secret agent man. He is not… He just has a radio program, so maybe this is tooting the bicycle horn for it…. who knows.

Turbineguy

(37,216 posts)
52. Saddam Hussein was in a bind too
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 06:01 AM
Sep 2014

He couldn't very well say, "Hey guys, all I have is this .45 automatic to keep me in power!"

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
34. no, lots of people knew, and there were authoritative exposés all over the place
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 02:30 PM
Sep 2014

At that time I was getting much of my news via the libertarian
website Antiwar.com. I wasn't a libertarian but had friends
who were, and it was the best source of news about the buildup
to the war, and all of the significant knowledgeable dissenting
voices were there. It was way more than a boolean guess.

But there really is a bubble in DC. There is so much going on
all the time there, all the drama and intrigue, opinions,
scandals, all the money and egomania and self-satisfaction,
all the asskissing and all the incredibly ambitious people
and their worlds. They don't have time, or it doesn't occur
to them, that there is a whole other reality of actual facts
out there. What they hear inside the bubble is always
dubious and often outright media-spun government
propaganda. We know that. They may be slowly learning, I
hope so.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
42. And they all guessed on a yes/no question. Sorry, that doesn't make their opinion authoritative
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 09:55 PM
Sep 2014

If I flip a coin and guess heads or tails and it happens to be right, it doesnt make anything about my guess special.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
45. But you have absolutely no knowledge of what others know, or do not know, or when or how.
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 10:48 PM
Sep 2014

Many others have also researched the subject extensively
and knew from the beginning about the dishonesty.

What makes you think you are the only one?

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
2. Powell should be ashamed to show his face in public.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:52 AM
Sep 2014

Powell was one of the insiders who rushed us to war in Iraq. He has blood on his hands, blood that will never come off.

If Powell has any decency at all, he'd be spending his time volunteering at a veterans hospital. After all, he helped put many of the patients there.

And yes, I know that that might not be a popular view here. After all, Powell is now portrayed as a reluctant moderate during the buildup to the war. But he didn't seem so reluctant when he gave that UN speech. And he didn't resign in protest when our troops were massing at the Iraq border.

I have no respect for him or his associates Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Bush. All four pushed for a "preventive" war, which is illegal and immoral. All four are war criminals.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
3. your post is fine with me
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:24 AM
Sep 2014

powell enjoyed some (undeserved) respect here and was even touted as a Democratic candidate for VP by some. he got some more brownie points when he endorsed Obama. however, i agree with you: he has blood on his hands that can never be washed away from Vietnam, and Iraq.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
8. Agree 100%
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 08:29 AM
Sep 2014

I have to think that he must understand the historic opportunity he missed, he could have stopped the invasion of Iraq and the collapse of the World economy. All he had to do then was to tell the truth and not play "soldier".

I lost all respect for the guy, not that my opinion matters, but it is very sad.

Another thing that bothers me is when someone like him says "Of course, I am a Republican..." when are people going to understand that the most important thing is to be an American, not a republican or a democrat, that loyalty for a political party has to end if we want real progress to happen.

CaptainTruth

(6,546 posts)
10. I won't disagree with what you say ...
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 10:47 AM
Sep 2014

... but I hope everyone who criticizes Powell knows all about the PNAC, & knows Powell was not part of the PNAC. He was not planning & pushing for an invasion of Iraq a couple decades before it happened, like Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al were (13 members of the PNAC in the Bush administration).

Yes, Powell did things that turned out to be terribly wrong, but I believe he was deceived & mislead by Bush/Cheney's lies, just like Congress, the media, & the majority of the American people were deceived. The PNAC cabal needed a frontman, someone with more credibility than any of them had (especially with the international community), & they chose Powell. They used him to make their case, to justify using their "new Pearl Harbor" (as they wrote years before) as an excuse to invade the ME & overthrow Saddam ... exactly as they had planned years before Bush became president.

He certainly is not blameless, as you rightly point out, but he was not part of the PNAC & their decades-long scheme to invade the ME. He was not part of the conspiracy. I guess that's the difference I see. For the Bush/Cheney/PNAC group the war was premeditated, they conspired to do what they did. Powell was lied to & carried along in the whole mess as were many others. He was not a conspirator, but he was an accessory.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
12. Do you think Powell was/is an idiot? The evidence against Iraq was so obviously fake to anyone
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:01 PM
Sep 2014

that was paying attention leaves no doubt Powell, Congress, and the media siding with Cheney and Bush did so knowing the charges were trumped up.

So my question is this this, is it worse to be a member of PNAC and promote an unjust war or to knowingly allow yourself to be used, like Powell and the majority of Congress did?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
15. It wasn't 'obviously fake' until the UN Weapons inspectors team started their work and began
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 08:55 PM
Sep 2014

to produce results in mid to late January or so of 2003. The entire UN Security council voted unanimously for UN Security Council Resolution 1441 in November of 2002. That included China, France, Russia, United Kingdom, United States, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Colombia, Guinea, Ireland, Mexico, Mauritius, Norway, Singapore and Syria. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1441

Several of those nations have intelligence agencies rivaling our own. We can add to that Syria for the purposes of Iraq since Syria's intelligence agency is pretty well connected in the Middle East and they weren't sure about the WMD in Iraq to the point that they voted for a Resolution accusing Iraq of being in material breach of UN resolutions regarding its WMD and basically saying Iraq had to admit the weapons inspectors.

Powell's speech on Feb 5 is pretty close to the edge of where everyone should have known. UNMOVIC and the IAEA were producing reports that showed that they weren't finding anything.

It was crystal clear by March 7th with the final reports of the WMD inspectors. But anything before middle of January was guessing and a lot of people are patting themselves on the back for a guess on a boolean proposition.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
18. It's well known Britain didn't believe the WMD stories. As for most of the others?
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 10:52 PM
Sep 2014

Many were bribed to join the coalition and most of the others had their own agendas much of which included a strong dislike of Saddam. Others said let America pay to shake up the box and we will see how we can profit by what falls out of the box.

As for our intelligence agency? The CIA knew there were no WMDs in Iraq http://www.salon.com/2007/09/06/bush_wmd/ and told Bush. Bush was so serious about it later he even made a joke video about looking for them in his office.

But you know all this, don't you? I think you are trying to justify the vote of a certain member of the Senate when they should have known better. Even I knew there was no WMD threat from Iraq, all you had to do was read the newspapers or search the internet.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
19. That is all incorrect. Anyone who knows how the CIA works knows what you wrote is wrong
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 11:00 PM
Sep 2014

Your cherry picking of the CIA opinion is as bad as Cheney's. The simple matter is that the CIA wasn't sure. The CIA would never come out with an analysis saying "We know there are no WMD in Iraq". Analysts give estimates with probabilities. Some analysts gave a high probability to the idea that Iraq had WMD, some gave low probability estimates.

https://www.cia.gov/news-information/speeches-testimony/2004/tenet_georgetownspeech_02052004.html

Saddam's lack of allowing the Weapons inspectors into Iraq made everyone suspicious. That's why they voted for UN Sec Res 1441.

But you know all that don't you?

And no, my opinion on all of this hasn't changed since I initially did the research years ago and has nothing to do with Hillary http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_steven_l_061219_iraq_war__96_when_the_.htm

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
20. My cherry picking proved in the long run to be true, yours not so much.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 11:39 PM
Sep 2014

Your research seems to have been faulty, perhaps that's why you support the stories that support your failed research.

As for Tenet? He ended up giving Bush the information he wanted plain and simple.

What does Edmund Hillary have to do with anything, and what's with the link to your own article? Is that you ProSense?

You and I both know I could easily put together a few pages of links supporting my allegations but what's the point, you don't want to believe Bush lied and a lot of people that should have known better fell right in line behind him.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
21. I was right about everything I wrote. I was against the war but because I had information.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 11:45 PM
Sep 2014

When you were against the war it was because you guessed about WMD and had the same chance being right as when you flip a coin and guess heads or tails but you pat yourself on the back as if you and not Newton and Liebnitz created calculus.

And that is what you are bragging about. Bragging about an uninformed guess on a yes no answer that happened to be right.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
22. Wow you had super secret information no one else could access, are you special or what?
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 12:13 AM
Sep 2014

Guess, no I didn't guess, go insult someone else that may be impressed by your accusations. I informed myself with the multitude of information that was available at the time and made a decision which agreed with what most informed people said, the war was not justified, period. And you know what, I didn't agree with Bush the Elders war either, you think that had something to do with my inventing algebra?

Anyone that justified the war then, or now, was and is wrong and history proves it. Rewrite history all you want it won't change a thing.

As for your information? Bush and Cheney had more information than you, did they get it right? I'll tell you one other thing I know, it didn't matter they got what they wanted.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
23. Nope. I followed the public information from the UN Weapons inspectors. As I have been saying.
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 07:00 AM
Sep 2014

Do try to keep up.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
25. But some guy in post number 15 said this.
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 12:12 PM
Sep 2014
It wasn't 'obviously fake' until the UN Weapons inspectors team started their work and began to produce results in mid to late January or so of 2003. The entire UN Security council voted unanimously for UN Security Council Resolution 1441 in November of 2002.


The guy in post #15 seems to think the UN weapons inspector information was too late to be of any use but you say it's what you used to form your opinion. So who is right, you or the guy in post #15? Doesn't it hurt when you have one leg on each side of a fence?

Looks like you were never "keeping up" but trying to play "catch up." There were many of us that weren't fooled by Bush, Powell, etc. but many were, so don't feel too bad.

Now how do you feel on Iraq's ability to deliver their non-existent weapons of mass destruction. Were Scuds up to the job? Could they reach the US or was our concern wholly for Israel? Did they have any fishing boats that could launch a Scud? Would you like any help finding the answers?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
26. That's exactly right. I followed the evidence and I was right, because of the evidence.
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 12:25 PM
Sep 2014

I didn't guess right on a Yes, No proposition and then pat myself on the back as having superior divining knowledge and then go around attacking others who didn't guess right.

Keep reading and thinking about it. You will get it eventually.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
31. Reading yes, if you had done your you would have known before the
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 01:36 PM
Sep 2014

final report by the UN weapons inspectors. Many of us did our studying before that, did know and weren't fooled. The information was all out there, you just had to have the will and ability to sort it out of all the static the Bush administration threw at us.

Don't feel too bad though, Bush, Cheney, Powell, etc. fooled quite a few that didn't do their homework. Some didn't even let the UN weapons inspectors do the work for them like you did and still believe there were WMDs in Iraq.

Have a nice day, i'm having a great day, it's sunny and 80 here in Northern New York.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
33. Now you're making me wonder again if
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 02:01 PM
Sep 2014

you really are ProSense. Linking to yourself like you did. Have you ever been seen in the same room together? That looks so... "I'm right because I said so, so take that!!!"

So... are you having a nice day like I wished on you?

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
49. I'm sorry you thought being compared to ProSense was an insult. Where did you get that from?
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 02:06 AM
Sep 2014

I was only saying that you, like her had a habit of linking to your own posts as a way to prove a point. It is kind of a circular thing you both do. Why would you think that is a bad thing?

Well that and you, like her seem to think you are the only one capable of understanding any given situation.

But you aren't entirely like ProSense because unlike her, you are still here. That's at least half good, isn't it?

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
47. For me, you have, though I'm sure you don't care; but I once was a fan.
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 10:57 PM
Sep 2014

However I think your attitude has been insulting, and that
you appear unwilling to examine your own arrogance.
Tons of people here on DU know as much as you do,
and more.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
36. why are you so into proving you are right?
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 02:35 PM
Sep 2014

as a matter of fact, there were many who were getting the
exact same information you were, whatever it was, and
held an informed intelligent opinion. I am appalled at
your insistence on being 'right' -- wtf -- that's how wars
begin.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
46. What it means is this: I noticed earlier in many if not all your posts, you kept making the point
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 10:53 PM
Sep 2014

that you are "right."

It appears important to you, to tell others that you
are the one who is right -- which in this case would make
many other informed DUers wrong; except that it's untrue.
I wondered why you kept repeating this point.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
48. It also means that wars are fought because each side believes and insists they are right,
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 10:59 PM
Sep 2014

and the other is wrong. It starts with attitudes, insults, assumptions,
accusations.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
50. Well said.
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 02:37 AM
Sep 2014

However, you left out Ms. "Smoking Gun", the former Secretary of State Condi Rice from your list of war criminals.
I would include her in the inner circle that formed Bush's cabal as well.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
4. O ferKYRISTMAS'sake, Colin Powell is among the worst of the worst, in the world.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:21 AM
Sep 2014

There isn't such thing as a "turn to the right" compared to what Colin Powell both was and is.

We're talking hard core war criminal. A man who stood up and LIED TO THE WHOLE WORLD, to justify his administration, to justify the administration of evil that he was part of.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
7. General Powell, we cannot compromise with the "far right" as you described them.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:03 AM
Sep 2014

The far right is Fascism and they are destroying the nation.

Take the Bush Administration, where you worked, for example. They knowingly lied to the American people and falsified intelligence to justify a costly and counterproductive war.

The nation should move far far away from the ideals of the Far Right.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
9. Most of the fools running the Congress know that in 20 it won't matter to them...they will be gone.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 09:19 AM
Sep 2014

They are just interested in keeping control as long as they live.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
27. I don't think the GOP is unaware. I think they just don't care.
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 12:28 PM
Sep 2014

And the reason they just don't care? Is that they are capable and comfortable stealing elections. You can bet your last dollar that Karl Rove is not going to make the same mistake next time as he did last time with Romney.

 

3rdwaydem

(277 posts)
28. Colin Powell pitched the American people and the world a load of crap on Iraq AND
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 12:33 PM
Sep 2014

he knew or should have known the information was bogus when he pitched it.
He advanced his own career by catering to Reagan, Cheney and both Bush administrations while knowing their "national security" policies were harmful to the US and the world. He gave a covering, respectable face to some very sinister policies.

I would not care to hear anything he has to say even on those rare occasions when he utters the truth. The fact that now, in a fit of guilt and conscience over his years of causing harm to millions, he wishes to criticize his former Republican benefactors does not impress me.

polynomial

(750 posts)
38. The American profiteering corruption machine
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 03:00 PM
Sep 2014

We all are witness to a horrible experience and most have learned through the heuristic approach here through debate making known through conversations truths the media has covered up for decades.

The debate should continue never stop the issue Bush and Cheney are war profiteering criminals, it is true they sacked the treasury system for trillions of dollars.

Collin Powel can see the Republican Party fracturing and disintegrating before it hits the wall because it is true all those trillions of dollars appear on the one percent side of the ledger.

It’s not a stretch to agree with Bill Maher about those candidates chosen in the Republican Party, they are not fit to support or get my vote.

My view from originally being an Eisenhower Republican now split and mostly sharing this Democratic View here on DU.

There is no Republican Party, it is a fascist profiteering corruption machine with tax haven islands perpetrating and promoting corporate tyranny that is destroying the ecosystem.

With media complicity, general misinformation with vote stealing, coupled with a horrendous amounts of appointments throughout the justice system through the supreme court that are money motivated and family loyal America is also witness to the greatest political money Ponzi scheme ever built via Bush and Cheney.

DonCoquixote

(13,615 posts)
51. I would love to agree, but
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 02:53 AM
Sep 2014

The problem is that said brick wall is currently being dismantled by the Democratic party establishment, because the Clintons taught them that using Liberal building materials was too flimsy. The GOp may simply run into a non existent, poorly built mess.

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