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Nate Silver's Bias Exposed (Original Post) Stellar May 2016 OP
Cenk breaks it down. longship May 2016 #1
Cenk breaks down someone else's bias? pnwmom May 2016 #3
Watch the video. longship May 2016 #4
I prefer to read rather than to watch TV. If there's a text of this, I'd read it. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #6
Then you have no complaint. PERIOD! longship May 2016 #8
My preference also.... reACTIONary May 2016 #53
+100 I have very little patience with talking heads. With the vast majority of them it seems jonno99 May 2016 #81
Some CAN'T watch the video. madamesilverspurs May 2016 #9
But to make fun of a video that one has not viewed is just plain ignorant. longship May 2016 #13
I'm not making fun of the video. But I've read enough of Cenk to know his bias. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #17
roflol NJCher May 2016 #30
Time to add to the ignore list. chwaliszewski May 2016 #31
Thanks! pnwmom May 2016 #33
OH NO! sharp_stick May 2016 #80
Why do people feel the need to tell others that they're going on the ignore list? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2016 #86
No, you're just laughing out loud at something you haven't seen. longship May 2016 #38
Oh, and Nate Silver doesn't have a bias? CoffeeCat May 2016 #43
He did an demographic analysis months ago that predicted a 15% win for Bernie pnwmom May 2016 #54
Some of his analysis has been spot on CoffeeCat May 2016 #57
And for other readers! pnwmom May 2016 #19
Video takes such a long time. I read faster than talking heads talk & they pad. Bernardo de La Paz May 2016 #25
Apparently Nate Silver has talked about messing up his Trump predictions. longship May 2016 #36
Thanks. Bernardo de La Paz May 2016 #37
No problem. My best to you. longship May 2016 #39
I agree. JohnnyRingo May 2016 #65
I thought I was the only one uhnope May 2016 #66
I'm with you. Ten minutes for 30 seconds of info. n/t Scruffy1 May 2016 #75
Way to miss the point, there. eggplant May 2016 #5
Cenk acknowledged his own bias in the first minute of the video Chakab May 2016 #21
Cenk doesn't hide his bias. He wears it openly. Dawgs May 2016 #78
+1! Buzz Clik May 2016 #79
cenk's analysis has been almost 100% still_one May 2016 #82
When Cenk, the middle-aged Turk, stops pretending to be young... displacedtexan May 2016 #95
What a bunch of bunk! longship May 2016 #96
Confirmation bias trips up the best of us! n/t markpkessinger May 2016 #2
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #7
he oughta write a new book on "how to lie with statistics" bbgrunt May 2016 #10
Benjamin Disraeli said it best: "There are lies, damned lies and statistics." Feeling the Bern May 2016 #40
I trust Nate Silver. His site contains more than political polls. The outcome and percentages Laser102 May 2016 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #14
I disagree. Nate Silver is a weasel. He is trying to skew support for Bernie by Enthusiast May 2016 #12
I bet Romney lost because Nate predicted it La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #16
But Bernie is a lost cause Stuckinthebush May 2016 #23
...and yet another person who didn't bother watching the video before commenting. Chakab May 2016 #47
Indeed Stuckinthebush May 2016 #62
I now understand that "predictions" from the "experts" are actually attempts to steer an outcome GoneFishin May 2016 #48
I agree with Ana's take in the video. I don't think that Silver is actively trying to steer people Chakab May 2016 #51
I share you take on this. They are trying to shape the outcome. Enthusiast May 2016 #68
Well said. chervilant May 2016 #76
Typical titles of articles... tomm2thumbs May 2016 #15
Money is a factor and always has been. zeemike May 2016 #18
Is it bias or is the dodgy implications of voter suppression and exit polling? AtomicKitten May 2016 #20
If you bothered to watch the video, you'd understand the argument that is Chakab May 2016 #27
I did bother to watch it AtomicKitten May 2016 #56
Exit polling and voter suppression had nothing to do with Silver denying Trump's viability. Chakab May 2016 #59
relax, sport AtomicKitten May 2016 #61
Ridiculously butt stupid Gman May 2016 #22
It highlights desperation Stuckinthebush May 2016 #24
Desperation is when you should know better Gman May 2016 #26
That's just it. He threw the numbers out the window when it came to Trump. Chakab May 2016 #29
He nailed the last election when he focused on the numbers. He botched Chakab May 2016 #28
True about Trump and Gman May 2016 #55
And we should trust the former Republican over a statistics genuis like Nate Silver? Why? Tarheel_Dem May 2016 #32
Another person commenting without bothering to watch even a minute of the video. Chakab May 2016 #35
Has DU sold out to RedState dot com? Cryptoad May 2016 #44
Have you watched even one minute of that video? Chakab May 2016 #45
You're supporting a former Republican Lordquinton May 2016 #41
A former Republican who takes support from present-day Republicans much more seriously than that of Chakab May 2016 #46
True Lordquinton May 2016 #63
discount the polls MFM008 May 2016 #34
1 + 1 is 2 Cryptoad May 2016 #42
Bias? He forecast the results of 42 states so far, has been wrong only twice. Yeah, he's biased... George II May 2016 #49
...and yet another person who didn't bother watching the video before commenting. Chakab May 2016 #50
Sander's supporters need to recognize that the numbers just aren't there. wisteria May 2016 #52
For fuck's sake. Will any Hillary supporter actually watch the fucking video before commenting? Chakab May 2016 #60
Oh, FFS!!! chervilant May 2016 #77
I gave it two minuites.... reACTIONary May 2016 #58
You Want Accurate? Try This Guy On For Size! chwaliszewski May 2016 #64
COOL...Is that the only state he got correct. nt Stellar May 2016 #70
You should try reading his past predictions... chwaliszewski May 2016 #71
Why are you trying to insult me, or maybe this is your natural charm. Stellar May 2016 #72
Not insulting at all. chwaliszewski May 2016 #73
I've never heard of the man...and good for him if he has got many other right... Stellar May 2016 #74
My apologies. I misunderstood your initial comment. chwaliszewski May 2016 #92
^ 5 Stellar May 2016 #97
That's a funny definition of accurate. TwilightZone May 2016 #91
I'm talking about all of his predictions this season. chwaliszewski May 2016 #93
The first one that comes up is 12% off. That pretty much eliminates the possibility of "all" of them TwilightZone May 2016 #94
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #67
The Not so subtle influence of corporate money fasttense May 2016 #69
The irony is that Bernie's campaign is actually more guilty of keeping a revenue stream going IamMab May 2016 #87
BOOM! coffeeAM May 2016 #83
TYT has absolutely no room to complain about bias. NuclearDem May 2016 #84
It's all a conspiracy I tell ya Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2016 #85
facts and reality have a Hillary bias. eom artyteacher May 2016 #88
.... Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2016 #89
Yes, it's biased to say the math doesn't add up. book_worm May 2016 #90

longship

(40,416 posts)
4. Watch the video.
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:34 PM
May 2016

Cenk talks about his bias, as he always does. Then, he presents the facts, including that Bernie has a very slim chance.

That's why TYT is such a great news network.

You didn't watch the clip, did you?


reACTIONary

(5,749 posts)
53. My preference also....
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:58 PM
May 2016

Video generally is low density, simplistic information. I look for a story attached to the video, or Google the topic.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
81. +100 I have very little patience with talking heads. With the vast majority of them it seems
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:39 PM
May 2016

that their primary concern is their IMAGE.

longship

(40,416 posts)
13. But to make fun of a video that one has not viewed is just plain ignorant.
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:14 PM
May 2016

No matter why one has not viewed it.

It's really simple.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
80. OH NO!
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:36 PM
May 2016

The dreaded ignore list.

Why do people feel the need to tell others that they're going on the ignore list?

I don't think the response is what they expect or hope for, I don't think it's this

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,111 posts)
86. Why do people feel the need to tell others that they're going on the ignore list?
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:23 PM
May 2016

Because they have an over inflated opinion about themselves?

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
43. Oh, and Nate Silver doesn't have a bias?
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:19 PM
May 2016

Nate used to do very different, complex analytics. Now, he looks at polls, weights them and figures averages. It's basic stuff that anyone can do.

Nate used to engage in genius statistical analysis. He's often drill down into neighborhoods, understanding the voting patterns of specific areas in states.

He's also contradicted himself this year. He wrote an amazing article in 08 about politicians who do well in national polls, but weren't doing as well in state primaries. He said this was an obvious sign of a weak candidate. This year, when Clinton was in that position, he said the opposite.

He is clearly in the tank for HRC. That is obvious. His company was purchased by ABC. Since then, it's been nothing but partisan nonsense and poll averaging from Nate. Laaa-dee-frickin daa!

It's a shame that he sold out.

Is there anything that the corporations can't buy up and exploit for their own selfish gain?

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
54. He did an demographic analysis months ago that predicted a 15% win for Bernie
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:02 PM
May 2016

in West Virginia even though the polls have only been showing about a 7% win.

His analysis nailed it better than all of the polls.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
57. Some of his analysis has been spot on
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:19 PM
May 2016

and some of it has missed the mark.

Again, I'm not seeing the deep analytics that sealed his sterling reputation.

I see a lot of partisan bull puckey. Some of which contradicts his very astute 2008 obervations and analysis.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,789 posts)
25. Video takes such a long time. I read faster than talking heads talk & they pad.
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:33 PM
May 2016

I would read a good summary and at least skim a transcript.

longship

(40,416 posts)
36. Apparently Nate Silver has talked about messing up his Trump predictions.
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:07 PM
May 2016

Cenk finds it funny when he has been saying that Trump could win this pretty much all along, especially as the primaries proceeded when Nate has been saying the opposite, that Trump would fail.

Cenk calls it bias since both of them have had the same numbers yet Nate comes to the opposite conclusion.

Cenk admits he supports Bernie and also admits that his chances are slim. He has been saying this recently, which is why I like him. He's honest.

JohnnyRingo

(18,581 posts)
65. I agree.
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:12 AM
May 2016

It's too bad that many posters just copy & paste a video without writing at least a brief synopsis. I'm not likely to sit through a five or ten minute video without knowing why, and I didn't watch this one.

I think sometimes it's just laziness in the smart phone age to avoid typing out some explaination.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
66. I thought I was the only one
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:54 AM
May 2016

5-10 minutes is a chunk of time, especially for something that could be summarized in a paragraph.

eggplant

(3,893 posts)
5. Way to miss the point, there.
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:35 PM
May 2016

Cenk fully acknowledges his biases. Nate Silver claimed (falsely) to be neutral.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
21. Cenk acknowledged his own bias in the first minute of the video
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:26 PM
May 2016

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before offering his criticism of Silver.

He and the rest of the people at TYT have NEVER claimed to be neutral or non-partisan unlike the Silver's of the world. That's the issue here.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
78. Cenk doesn't hide his bias. He wears it openly.
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:29 PM
May 2016

In fact, he mentions that in this very video.

displacedtexan

(15,695 posts)
95. When Cenk, the middle-aged Turk, stops pretending to be young...
Thu May 12, 2016, 07:43 PM
May 2016

...his groupies will figure out that he is the one who's biased.

longship

(40,416 posts)
96. What a bunch of bunk!
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:12 PM
May 2016

Cenk talks about his bias all the time. He's for Bernie and has said so in every broadcast.

But here's the difference. He doesn't malign Hillary except to contrast her position with Bernie's. And he always gives Hillary her fair share.

If you would take a few minutes to actually view the video, instead of merely carping about it sight unseen, you would understand that. He openly acknowledges that Bernie has a hard road ahead and that Hillary likely wins the Dem nod. But he's been saying the same for weeks. Not that those who somehow dislike Cenk, merely because he supports Bernie, would know that. It is apparently easier to stick ones fingers in ones ears and yell, "La-la-la-la Bernie bad. Cenk bad!"

I cannot think of a more useless and counterproductive enterprise than Hillary supporters (and Bernie supporters, too) who chime in on every fucking GD.P thread (to say nothing of Video group threads) to shit on the perceived opponent when we are all on the same fucking side.

View it or not. Only if one views it am I going to allow anybody to comment here without my ridicule. Your post falls into that category.

BTW, Cenk does not mention Hillary once in this video. But you wouldn't know that, would you?

Please stop turning DU into a toxic waste dump with your tiresome babble and get with the program to elect Democratic candidates.

United we stand; divided we fall.


Laser102

(816 posts)
11. I trust Nate Silver. His site contains more than political polls. The outcome and percentages
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:00 PM
May 2016

of sporting events are included too.

Response to Laser102 (Reply #11)

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
12. I disagree. Nate Silver is a weasel. He is trying to skew support for Bernie by
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:00 PM
May 2016

saying he is a lost cause. He has been saying it from the start. He's a weasel.

Stuckinthebush

(10,816 posts)
23. But Bernie is a lost cause
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:30 PM
May 2016

He's just telling the truth. Bernie can't win. It's just not possible. This doesn't make Nate a weasel. It makes him a realist.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
48. I now understand that "predictions" from the "experts" are actually attempts to steer an outcome
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:29 PM
May 2016

by manipulating public opinion. Predictions don't mean shit to me anymore because all of the "experts" have a horse in the race, especially those on the right and center-right.

When they say "My prediction is ..." I hear "Here is the outcome I hope for and I will attempt to manipulate your vote as follows ..."

Yes. Nate Silver is a weasel.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
51. I agree with Ana's take in the video. I don't think that Silver is actively trying to steer people
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:54 PM
May 2016

in a particular direction. IMO his reactions to Sanders and Trump and his problematic interpretation of the data surrounding their poll numbers is due to implicit bias on his part in favor of the establishment political class.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
76. Well said.
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:14 PM
May 2016

Those of us who are aware recognize the Kabuki Theater euphemistically known as our "general election." Zappa was right: we should all be able to see the brick wall at the back of the theater.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
15. Typical titles of articles...
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:20 PM
May 2016

Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Have A Problem On Her Left - 2014

Don’t Bet On Clinton Faltering In Iowa A Second Time - 2014

Hillary Clinton Is The George W. Bush Of 2016 - 2015

The Hillary Clinton Steamroller Rumbles To Life - 2015

Martin O’Malley Shouldn’t Try To Out-Liberal Hillary Clinton - 2015

Dear Media, Stop Freaking Out About Donald Trump’s Polls - 2015

The Bernie Sanders Surge Appears To Be Over - 2015

Can Ben Carson Really Take Out Donald Trump? - 2015

Bernie Sanders Could Win Iowa And New Hampshire. Then Lose Everywhere Else. - 2015

The Party Is Deciding On Rubio - 2016

New Hampshire’s Independent Voter Myth - 2016

Ted Cruz Might Still Be Able To Stop Donald Trump - 2016


LOLZ - too many to name here


It's called 'Thumb on the Scales'

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
18. Money is a factor and always has been.
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:20 PM
May 2016

Even if your job is just the numbers.
If you give the people that matter what they want to hear you will do well...if not you don't do well.
And that is why I never take what the media tells us as objective truth. And Nate Silver is in the media no matter what we think.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
27. If you bothered to watch the video, you'd understand the argument that is
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:34 PM
May 2016

Last edited Wed May 11, 2016, 08:11 PM - Edit history (1)

being made.

Silver has completely ignored the polls, irrespective of their accuracy, in this cycle when they did not fit his preconceived notions about the viability of Trump and Sanders. It's incredibly disturbing behaviour for somebody whose brand is that he's solely concerned with the new Myers.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
56. I did bother to watch it
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:11 PM
May 2016

... and added an additional relevant factor in the bad analyses Nate has been making.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
59. Exit polling and voter suppression had nothing to do with Silver denying Trump's viability.
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:28 PM
May 2016

He dismissed Trump and poo pooed his chances from the moment that Trump took the lead in polls last summer.

He simply did not take Trump seriously because of Trump's buffoonery and lack of establishment support and chose to craft his own reality.

He's doing the same with the early general election polling.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
22. Ridiculously butt stupid
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:29 PM
May 2016

Nate Silver nailed the 2012 election and he's biased? Effing stupid and insults people's intelligence. Seriously, Samders people blame stuff like this for Sanders losing? I thought they were the smartest people in the room.

Stuckinthebush

(10,816 posts)
24. It highlights desperation
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:32 PM
May 2016

Nate is very accurate and likely doesn't give a rats ass about Hillary or Bernie. He strikes me as one of those guys who just loves to crunch numbers.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
26. Desperation is when you should know better
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:34 PM
May 2016

But still insist on something against hope. Like I said, I thought they were supposed to be the smartest people in he room.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
29. That's just it. He threw the numbers out the window when it came to Trump.
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:41 PM
May 2016

He wasn't crunching anything when he repeatedly claimed that Trump would not win the nomination. It was based on his personal opinions about Trump not being a serious candidate. All of the polling said otherwise from the moment that Trump took the lead last summer.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
28. He nailed the last election when he focused on the numbers. He botched
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:38 PM
May 2016

the prediction that Trump wasn't viable because he IGNORED the polling that didn't fit his preconceived notions about Trump. He's been doing the same thing regarding Sanders' viability in a general election match up during the entirety of the primary.

This is covered in the first two minutes f the video, which nobody seems care about watching before throwing their two cents in.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
55. True about Trump and
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:09 PM
May 2016

It's why Romney went to bed Monday before the election literally sure he knew he'd be called the next president by the end of the next day. And why Axelrod said he'd shave his mustache if Obama lost in 2012.

Polling is built around a model. If reality doesn't fit the model, you adjust the model. It's foolish to think Silver does not have it right. Data does not lie.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
46. A former Republican who takes support from present-day Republicans much more seriously than that of
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:26 PM
May 2016

the base of the party that she has aspirations to lead.









Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
63. True
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:35 PM
May 2016

The irony of a Clinton suppoter, who should know that her being an ex Republican is a detail often disregarded as being of any import, calling out anyone else for that is amazing. Undefined themselves more than Cenk

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
42. 1 + 1 is 2
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:18 PM
May 2016

2 + 1 is 3
3 + 1 is 4
4 + 1 is 5
and so on and so on
see it easy
after 20 it all repetition
even u can learn to count past 2000

George II

(67,782 posts)
49. Bias? He forecast the results of 42 states so far, has been wrong only twice. Yeah, he's biased...
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:43 PM
May 2016

....in the direction of truth and reality.

 

wisteria

(19,581 posts)
52. Sander's supporters need to recognize that the numbers just aren't there.
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:57 PM
May 2016

And stop blaming others because Sander's has simple come up short and will lose to Hillary Clinton. Stop blaming the messenger.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
60. For fuck's sake. Will any Hillary supporter actually watch the fucking video before commenting?
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:31 PM
May 2016

They are NOT blaming Silver for Sanders losing the primary. They acknowledge that the votes aren't there and that a Sanders win is very improbable.

The video is largely about Silver and other pundits dismissing Trump's chances at the beginning of the primary in spite of the polls and the fact that they are now doing the same thing with the early general election polls that show a tight race.

reACTIONary

(5,749 posts)
58. I gave it two minuites....
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:21 PM
May 2016

...... I heard that nate did not correctly predict that trump would win the nomination and the assertion that this shows that he succumbed to some sort of bias. It seems to me that getting a prediction wrong may be due to many factors and is not, in and of itself, evidence of bias.

Now, I didn't watch the whole thing, I only sampled the first 20%, and not a random sample . But I just can't take this sort of banter for very long. I guess I'm biased.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
72. Why are you trying to insult me, or maybe this is your natural charm.
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:41 PM
May 2016

Maybe I should not have posted this video.

chwaliszewski

(1,514 posts)
73. Not insulting at all.
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:46 PM
May 2016

Merely questioning your comment of "Is this the only state he got right?" He got a lot of states right. Read his past predictions; he's pretty damn accurate. Insulting is actually part of my unnatural charm, btw.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
74. I've never heard of the man...and good for him if he has got many other right...
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:56 PM
May 2016

I'm glad that he's doing well at it. And I did support Bernie here in Illinois too. But damn, it's hard to talk to people around here sometimes. And just in case you were wondering, I'm not a Hillary supporter and haven't been since she first started running for President in 2008. But I would have been an Elizabeth Warren supporter above all other if she had choose to run for POTUS. C.U.

chwaliszewski

(1,514 posts)
92. My apologies. I misunderstood your initial comment.
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:40 PM
May 2016

I thought you were being backhanded snarky like some Hillary supporters I've encountered. We appear to be in agreement with our preferences of Bernie & Warren. Good day!

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
91. That's a funny definition of accurate.
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:35 PM
May 2016

First, he didn't know there were more than two people in the race? Farrell got nearly 9% and this guy doesn't even seem to know he was in the race.

Second, he had Sanders winning by 3%. He won by 15%.

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
94. The first one that comes up is 12% off. That pretty much eliminates the possibility of "all" of them
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:58 PM
May 2016

being accurate, by definition.

As he noted, he's gotten some right, gotten some wrong, including Missouri and Illinois. Some of his misses have been significant, and his error spread has been similar - though higher overall - to FiveThirtyEight, a constant target of many on DU for its alleged inaccuracy.

He also admits that he ignores other candidates, which is silly.

The part he gets right is that estimates are only as good as the information available, and in many states, there simply isn't enough data to make accurate predictions. He has no doubt done well in some states, but he's only more accurate than other sources - FiveThirtyEight, in particular - if you ignore his misses, which he clearly acknowledges.

Response to Stellar (Original post)

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
69. The Not so subtle influence of corporate money
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:50 AM
May 2016

It's all about the money. When Nate was barely making ends meet, his goal was to be as accurate as possible. He wanted to be the best at the work he was doing. Then he got rich.

Now that ABC is paying him millions it's about keeping that revenue stream coming in. And that may involve looking for results that are not there. It's easy to keep to your principles when you are only getting $60,000.00 a year. It's hareder to turn down millions.

I have to admire Cenk because he did turn down millions. Nate has accepted millions.

 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
87. The irony is that Bernie's campaign is actually more guilty of keeping a revenue stream going
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:34 PM
May 2016

past its expiration date than Nate Silver ever could be.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
84. TYT has absolutely no room to complain about bias.
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:06 PM
May 2016

It didn't help Romney in 2012 when his supporters just started tossing stats out the window because it didn't favor him.

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