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Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:37 PM

 

So when do we Abolish the Electoral College? Its _Way to easy for a Charlatan to talk his way...

Into the Presidency. There are just too many politically ignorant people out there.

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Reply So when do we Abolish the Electoral College? Its _Way to easy for a Charlatan to talk his way... (Original post)
tomhagen Apr 2017 OP
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2017 #1
stonecutter357 Apr 2017 #2
progree Apr 2017 #3
thesquanderer Apr 2017 #10
progree Apr 2017 #11
benpollard Apr 2017 #4
Mountain Mule Apr 2017 #5
Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #8
Mountain Mule Apr 2017 #9
pansypoo53219 Apr 2017 #6
mdbl Apr 2017 #7
tomhagen Apr 2017 #12

Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:44 PM

1. "We" have to do it by amending the Constitution. There's no other way.

An amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the state legislatures. It is a very slow process and it is rarely successful.

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Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:45 PM

2. Putin won...... !

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Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 11:27 PM

3. Ironically, the electoral college was meant to correct situations when the ill-informed masses

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voted for some bozo. Or at least that is how it is justified in civics class. (That it was also a compromise to give slave-holding states more clout is often left unsaid except in college level courses).

Obviously, it failed this time around -- a reasonably moderate and sane and rational person won the popular vote by nearly 3 million, but the electoral college elected Caligula).

Yes, I understand the formula the electoral college follows... each state gets 2 electors plus 1 elector for each House of Representatives member. And except in Nebraska and Maine, each state gives all their electoral votes to the winner of the statewide popular vote (leaving aside the "faithless electors" issue and the details of various state laws).

Which results in smaller states having more clout on a per-capita basis than larger states. Thus giving Republicans an advantage (since large population states are mostly "blue" while small population states are mostly "red".

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Response to progree (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 01:24 PM

10. If the electoral college did not step in this time to keep out a clearly unqualified president...

...I'm not sure we could envision any circumstance where they would, which kind of negates that part of their reason for existence.

And it's a no-win situation. Can you imagine what this country would be like now if the EC had voted to ignore the November results and not allow Trump to take office?

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 01:28 PM

11. I agree with you completely on both points. (eom)

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Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 11:29 PM

4. Racism is the number one motivation for supporting Trump

Trump had to pay out $25 million for defrauding 1,000s of Trump University students. And this is the guy they trust? That shows how strong racism is.

These are all low-information or misinformation voters. And they don't have a problem with Trump violating our Constitution with his business interests. They don't have a problem with his and his administration's connections to Russia.

But the real problem is Democrats. Until they learn how to define the narrative, they're going to continue to lose. They're terrible at messaging. They don't even need to lie, like Republicans do. Actually, all they need to do is tell the truth, and they won't even do that.

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Response to benpollard (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 12:51 AM

5. The problem is all those voters who are too stupid to be allowed to live

The ignorance of all too many of the American people is appalling. How do you "define the narrative" for Forrest Gump? OK, children - politicians are like a box of chocolates only some of the chocolates are actually dog turds.

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Response to Mountain Mule (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 06:59 AM

8. Please do not advocate assassinating opposing voters on DU. . . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 08:13 AM

9. LOL!

Nah, I wouldn't assassinate them. I'd just make them stay after school until they were 90 if that's how long it takes!

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Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 04:13 AM

6. a lot of people refuse to evolve.

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Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 06:54 AM

7. I just worry about a peacful transition of trump out of the white house

Since he's so crooked, he'll do anything to hold on to power to make it easier to expose him.

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Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 03:26 PM

12. "they smell corruption everywhere" then elect the MOST Corrupt Thug to ever run

 

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