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ancianita

(35,933 posts)
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 03:09 PM Apr 2021

"Seapspiracy" -- the Netflix documentary.

Last edited Sun Apr 4, 2021, 11:48 PM - Edit history (2)



We've had it all wrong about climate change. It is man made, but not in the energy/carbon consumption methods we thought. Not by fossil fuel, which is some small part.

The Outlaw Ocean by Ian Urbina, is essential reading about capitalism's oceanic depravities, but the documentary is important for our leaders to see. If international leaders have depended on microbiology and scientists to help us through this pandemic, they'd better see how this pandemic arises from destroying life in the oceans.

There are times when we must decide, and it's now. Or we will not just ruin some imagined oceanic food supply. What we've done to oceanic life has affected land life, food supplies across continents, and if we keep ignoring killing oceanic life, we will kill ourselves off, too.

Before it's too late, nations must stop fishing industries and fish farming. To heal the dying oceans means to leave them the fuck alone.

Earth's oceans are not just one of biggest climate change drivers on the planet. It is THE biggest climate change driver on the planet.

This film explains why we are ruining the biggest carbon sink on the planet through internationally governmentally subsidized fishing industries that, by killing off oceanic life, kill the oceans' carbon sink mechanisms that will kill us off no matter if we ended all fossil industries tomorrow.





And from the New York Times (click on the link titles for more videos; some browsers will support a few, though maybe not all).

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/24/world/the-outlaw-ocean.html
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"Seapspiracy" -- the Netflix documentary. (Original Post) ancianita Apr 2021 OP
excellent doc.... bahboo Apr 2021 #1
I'm watching it asap. ancianita Apr 2021 #2
We saw this yesterday pandr32 Apr 2021 #3
Did it match your expectations? ancianita Apr 2021 #4
I completely agree pandr32 Apr 2021 #5
... ancianita Apr 2021 #6
Agreed. pandr32 Apr 2021 #11
We should forget our obsession with space, and focus more on our oceans peppertree Apr 2021 #7
That's a really good point. As far as the movie goes I couldn't watch it all I'm mucifer Apr 2021 #8
I watched the whole thing hkp11 Apr 2021 #9
I just finished watching it an hour ago. Every single government leader should watch it. ancianita Apr 2021 #15
Thank you. peppertree Apr 2021 #12
We should. For all the reasons you say. ancianita Apr 2021 #10
Thank you for that link, ancianita. peppertree Apr 2021 #13
Welcome, but now that I've seen Seaspiracy, ancianita Apr 2021 #14

ancianita

(35,933 posts)
2. I'm watching it asap.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 03:41 PM
Apr 2021

Gotta recommend the book, too. It's way more graphic about world outlaws.

Patrolling the oceans for outlaw companies and human trafficking should become a high priority of our Naval operations. Big as our military is, Earth's oceans are still more huge.
But if any nation's going to do it, it's got to be ours.

pandr32

(11,553 posts)
3. We saw this yesterday
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 03:43 PM
Apr 2021

I grew up on the West Coast with fresh salmon, clams, crab, oysters on our dinner plates all the time. The last few years I have rarely enjoyed seafood. For one it is ultra expensive, but mostly it isn't like I remember. It isn't as fresh or as healthy looking or tasting. It has become harder and harder to find quality wild seafood and I refuse to eat farmed.
I have been aware of over-fishing for a long time. My mother married a fisherman for a while and I learned much from him about how hard it had become to make a living fishing "these days" because of international fishing fleets encroaching on boundaries and other problems.
I bought a package of wild 'sockeye' salmon frozen portions at Costco a while back and found it to be mislabeled (no a Kirkland product)--clearly not sockeye. In fact, it looked and tasted like chum salmon.
I refused to shell out $250 for ten pounds of King crab, too.
After watching the documentary I stopped wavering and flat-out declared "No more seafood for me!" My family looked surprised but all agreed it is probably the way to go.
Living in Hawaii now I will say that Ahi (tuna) is over-fished, too. I have seen the tiny sizes coming off local boats and the local consumption is enormous with no slowing down in sight. It will be consumed here until it is all gone. The Japanese love it as well and are fishing it off our waters, so there is competition. Local government and other sources all claim the same BS--Ahi is not being over-fished.















ancianita

(35,933 posts)
4. Did it match your expectations?
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 04:03 PM
Apr 2021

Your story is similar to mine. Born in Maine, grew up in southeastern Florida and did my share of fresh and ocean fishing and eating. I now live on the west coast and for twelve years have only occasionally eaten canned solid albacore; I feel evil and wrong even for that. Which is probably why I get so angry about all the willfully ignorant old folks who guzzle fish here like there's no tomorrow.

Denial of evildoing -- from consumers to 'heart of darness' suppliers -- is how we will kill this planet and ourselves.

Based on your story I'm weaning myself from tuna. It's tough when a sick husband wants his blackened ahi and I don't order fish, but I'll work on it.

No one is excused from unconsciousness. Even most children are more conscious than most of the grownups I see.

pandr32

(11,553 posts)
5. I completely agree
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 04:08 PM
Apr 2021

"Denial of evildoing" is a huge problem. What bothers me is that there is no accountability from the highest rungs on the ladder--just lies. It is up to consumers to take personal stands which is a very slow measure against such enormous "Seaspiracy".

ancianita

(35,933 posts)
6. ...
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 04:19 PM
Apr 2021

Thing is, I'm worried that my own slips are so collective -- millions of others might be just like us, you know -- that it adds up to a market, and secret oceanic crimes and evildoing.

I've got to be 100% and not miss it. No more tuna casserole or sandwiches.

peppertree

(21,600 posts)
7. We should forget our obsession with space, and focus more on our oceans
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 04:27 PM
Apr 2021

Don't get me wrong: It's good to keep an eye on the heavens.

But the egomania of a few, obsessed with "military domination" of space and colonizing Mars, is distracting billions that could be better spent regulating (and preventing) activities on our oceans.

But it'll probably never happen, not in our lifetimes. Too many people are making too much money out of both.

Thanks for finding and posting this, ancianita.

mucifer

(23,478 posts)
8. That's a really good point. As far as the movie goes I couldn't watch it all I'm
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 04:33 PM
Apr 2021

vegan and I just had to stop. I'm so glad they made it.

hkp11

(275 posts)
9. I watched the whole thing
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 04:55 PM
Apr 2021

and was so disappointed with how our oceans - because of overfishing, criminal gangs, governments - too much want & wastage from the ocean. I'm vegetarian, so I don't eat any of the ocean's living things. But, so sad that humans consumption, humans plastic usage, etc is causing so much of the destruction of the oceans and our planet.

ancianita

(35,933 posts)
15. I just finished watching it an hour ago. Every single government leader should watch it.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 11:53 PM
Apr 2021

It's worse than just being a plastic sink. It's the complete oceanic ecosystem that enables oceans to be the carbon sink for the planet. When that stops, we and all our petty 'systems' of human concern stop.

We can't wait until everyone's onboard. We have to get key world figure to see the climate science tie to the oceanic biosphere.

Or we're doomed. I don't say that lightly.

Hell, now that I've seen it I can't take anything on DU very seriously anymore. I just can't.

peppertree

(21,600 posts)
12. Thank you.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 08:13 PM
Apr 2021

A nation like ours should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time on this - and we aren't.

ancianita

(35,933 posts)
10. We should. For all the reasons you say.
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 06:23 PM
Apr 2021

It has to happen, though, sooner than later. This killing of the oceans is humanity's greatest crime.

Here's more on The Outlaw Ocean. In fact, it deserves to be in the OP.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/24/world/the-outlaw-ocean.html

ancianita

(35,933 posts)
14. Welcome, but now that I've seen Seaspiracy,
Sun Apr 4, 2021, 11:35 PM
Apr 2021

all I can say to you is that you should see the film first, then you'll know why the fishing industry is killing the biggest carbon sink on the planet, and that every single day, 16 Amazon rainforests are killed off.

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