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Tue Feb 21, 2023, 05:11 PM

Putin and the Presidents: Interview with Timothy Snyder.

I was streaming Thom Hartmann on YouTube today. After it ended, this PBS Frontline video came on. If you haven't watched this, it's well worth it for an in-depth discussion of many of the factors that led to the war in Ukraine. Discusses Putin's psychology and the Russian propaganda machine, their interference in the 2016 election, and how the Jan. 6 insurrection emboldened Putin and made him believe that he had so effectively tied America into knots that he could easily invade and overcome Ukraine.

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LaMouffette Feb 2023 OP
erronis Feb 2023 #1
Warpy Feb 2023 #2
erronis Feb 2023 #3
Warpy Feb 2023 #4
LaMouffette Feb 2023 #5

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Tue Feb 21, 2023, 06:49 PM

1. Good interview. I think Tim Snyder has some very good points in this.

One: Americans don't think too often about Russia (unless they have to); Russians think about America all the time.
Two: One of the big faults with American democracy is that we thought that capitalism and privatizing everything would lead to a better country. If that were so, Russia would be a great country since it privatized everything.

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Response to erronis (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 21, 2023, 08:28 PM

2. The points about the difference in elections

are a sickening echo of TFG's whole premise about 2020, about how he could be defeated only if it was rigged (Putin's view) and that votes could be "found" for him, and most of the rest of the circus. If TFG weren't so abysmally stupid, he'd have been a great Russian agent. He and _Putin seem to be birds of a feather in their outlook, ther education, and their ability to think things through. The parallels are astonishing, no wonder Putin was willing to rig him in. Putin just failed to consider that our system is elastic enough to pitch a bad president out of office 4 years later.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 21, 2023, 08:46 PM

3. I'm still watching this and digesting Snyder's very important points.

It's hard to believe, if Snyder is correct, that the US/American security/intelligence/political world doesn't understand the Russian POV (at least as demonstrated by Putin and past USSR dictators.)

Or maybe we do and chose to play along with this game for our own reasons.

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Response to erronis (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 21, 2023, 09:29 PM

4. Well, Putin gave the game away a few years ago

when he got the Duma to pass a set of laws keeping him in power even if some other sap got elected to the presidency. I think it was a hedge against Navalny before he had Navalny thrown into prison.

Elections are kind of irrelevant, Putin can't really lose, whichever way it goes and we know how it will go.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 22, 2023, 02:34 PM

5. What sickened me the most was Snyder's accurate description of January 6 as a gift to Putin.

To think that not only Trump but Putin and the entire Kremlin were beside themselves with delight that day as they watched the violent attack on Congress unfold. Can you imagine the celebrating at the Kremlin that day???

And to think how many Republican voters to this day believe that January 6 was a glorious event carried out by true American patriots. They have no idea that they are brainwashed patsies carrying out the wishes of the world's wealthiest, in general, and Putin, in particular. Trump is a tool himself, in every sense of the word, but his ego makes him think that he is one of the masters controlling the universe, when in fact, he's Putin's puppet.

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