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Sun Dec 15, 2019, 01:41 PM

Warning:Negative on Upcoming Star Wars Movie, -IGNORE- if you desire to only get positive news on it

....I just watched a couple of reviews of the new Star Wars Movie. Both were negative for different reasons. Evidently, George Lucas's view of that movie were removed in favor of others. Specifics were given, they are not important. What is important is negative reviews are coming out ahead of time. So, Disney knows more than Lucas?
... One thing for me is important, Lucas is Star Wars. I read the Star Wars story, before I saw the first movie in 1977. I was at the library doing something, and walked into the paperback section of "new paperback books." So, I saw this book, "Star Wars" picked it up and took this book out. So, I read it in a couple of days. And saw the movie was getting incredible reviews. So, I saw the movie a couple of weeks after it opened, and I knew what was going to happen ahead of time.
...Yes, Disney knows more than Lucas. I doubt it, but if this is a bomb...and anything is possible in the "New Movie World"....We will know that Disney trusts Abrams (director of new movie) more than Lucas

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Reply Warning:Negative on Upcoming Star Wars Movie, -IGNORE- if you desire to only get positive news on it (Original post)
Stuart G Dec 2019 OP
msongs Dec 2019 #1
Stuart G Dec 2019 #2
Thyla Dec 2019 #3
exboyfil Dec 2019 #5
Ilsa Dec 2019 #4
Efilroft Sul Dec 2019 #6
Polybius Dec 2019 #7
Efilroft Sul Dec 2019 #8
hunter Dec 2019 #9

Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 01:42 PM

1. the original was a catchy B movie. who knew it would get so bloated over the years nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 01:44 PM

2. No one knew, because no one knew that a movie like that would bring in so much money.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 01:49 PM

3. Lucas washed his hands of it long ago...

The backlash from the prequels practically killed him off and then he goes and butchers the originals by remaking them.
The originals will never see the light of day again because of Lucas. If you have an old VHS then save them and digitise them, they are as rare as hens teeth already.

We are not talking heavy hitting drama here, it's Star Wars, you need pew-pews and wooshes and even Lucas cocked that up.
JJ will not.

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Response to Thyla (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 02:02 PM

5. What good creative decisions has JJ made?

The casting of Star Trek was top notch, and the first movie wasn't bad (just completely unbelievable and totally untrue to the Star Trek mythos). After that it was a train wreck.

Stranger Things did Super 8 far better than it did.

Cloverfield wasn't terrible.

The Force Awakens was a tired retread of A New Hope.

JJ did a better job than Rian Johnson, but that isn't saying much. TFA may be better than The Phantom Menace, but that is it.

One thing the sequels have done is make me appreciate the prequels even with their bad dialog more. At least Lucas had character arcs

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 02:01 PM

4. Rogue One is the best of the SW franchise, IMO.

I love the characters from the other movies, but Rogue One is my favorite.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 16, 2019, 01:45 AM

6. Rogue One and the original Star Wars movie are my head canon.

No prequels, no Empire or Jedi, no Disney trilogy. In fact, I prefer the Marvel Comics storylines from the 1970s between Star Wars and Empire because they better depicted the Wild West nature of the galaxy and introduced more interesting characters than the other movies ever did.

YMMV.

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Response to Efilroft Sul (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 16, 2019, 04:50 AM

7. No Empire Strikes Back?

Blasphemy! Seriously though, everyone puts that at 1. You don’t like it?

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Response to Polybius (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 16, 2019, 10:52 AM

8. Not Empire Strikes Back as we know it.

In my humble opinion, Empire is marred by its humanizing of Darth Vader. I like Vader as he was portrayed in Rogue One and Star Wars: a fearsome warrior, more machine than man. And yet, I think the sequel to Star Wars should have shown Vader having to deal with other dark and powerful Sith lords jockeying for favor with the Emperor and blaming him for the loss at Yavin. (I never liked the one master/one apprentice schtick introduced in the prequels.) If Vader were to claim parentage of Luke, I would still like the audience to be in doubt if he's telling the truth — yet have Luke fall for the dark lord's persuasion. Luke being enthralled by Vader, for the advantage of Vader over his rivals, is how I would like to have seen the Empire strike back.

My other quibbles with the movie?
• The walkers. Yes, let's deploy slow-moving armored vehicles for a ground assault and give the Rebels time to evacuate Hoth.
• Han and Leia. Nope, never worked for me.

My problems with Jedi?
• Death Star #2. A better Empire would've led to a better third movie.
• The Emperor should have been the embodiment of power, persuasion, and pure evil. Instead, we got someone who would cast Force lightning and scream at the kids to get off his lawn.
• The trilogy concept. Everyone's practically programmed to trilogies as a storytelling device, but they really hamper character and plot development.

My problems with the prequels?
• In Star Wars, we learned the Jedi were something wondrous to Luke when Ben told him that his father was a Jedi Knight. In the prequels, we learned the Jedi were boring and dickless samurai.
• If Luke's parentage were still in doubt, I would have liked to have seen a love triangle between Luke's mom (who did not have to be a princess!), Anakin, and Obi-Wan — and this conflict is what sent Anakin over to the Dark Side.
• The Clone Wars and deeds of the Jedi Knights should have been the stuff of legend and Arthurian in tragedy. They weren't.

My problems with the Disney trilogy?
• Everything, because I think too many opportunities were missed in the stories that preceded it.

Again, your mileage may vary.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Dec 16, 2019, 02:22 PM

9. I'll never forgive Lucas for the prequels.

I don't like sand. It's all coarse, and rough, and irritating. And it gets everywhere.

The racist portrayal of Gungans was unforgivable.

So I imagine Star Wars ending like a mash-up of "The Wizard of Oz" and Big Fish.

The movie begins as a monochrome three dimensional projection, as R2D2 would record it.

C3PO is telling fantastic stories to the children of the Skywalker clan. The oldest are a little annoyed that they have to politely endure C3PO's stories yet again.

The world becomes colorful as we are drawn into C3PO's story.

Later, at a funeral, all the characters of C3PO's stories show up, not quite as he described them, but shockingly real.

Jar Jar Binks is an ancient Jedi, Yoda-like in his wisdom.

Kylo Ren is a nervous accountant working for a nearly bankrupt Empire Industries, fretting that he won't be able to find another job when the end comes.

Etc..

In the last scenes R2D2 uploads C3PO to the vast data banks of the Millennium Falcon and they fly away, the ship piloting itself, nobody on board but R2D2 and Chewbacca, Chewbacca laughing his ass off as R2D2's tells jokes and stories only the two of them understand.

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