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PM May to introduce 'Great Repeal Bill' (Original Post) shenmue Oct 2016 OP
This in itself doesn't amount to much. Denzil_DC Oct 2016 #1
I hope you're right; this is all madness LeftishBrit Oct 2016 #2
For future discussion clarity: Article 50 will be invoked by end of March 2017, no parliament vote muriel_volestrangler Oct 2016 #3
So representative democracy can be omitted because of a very narrow majority vote.. LeftishBrit Oct 2016 #4
Well, May made the announcement on Andrew Marr's show, Denzil_DC Oct 2016 #6
Thanks. Denzil_DC Oct 2016 #5

Denzil_DC

(7,186 posts)
1. This in itself doesn't amount to much.
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 06:55 PM
Oct 2016

It's gotten the online Brexiters cock-a-hoop tonight, but it's mainly a way of appearing to do something at the moment while continuing to kick a whole load of cans down the road.

May says the bill will be in the next Queen's speech (i.e. in spring 2017), and if passed during that session of parliament, it wouldn't come into effect until the day the UK actually leaves the EU, having been through the whole Article 50 negotiations, whenever that is (not least bearing in mind the threatened vetoes from some EU countries). It will then enshrine EU law into UK law, then she proposes parliament will prune the resulting legislation at its leisure to take out the distasteful bits.

There are early questions about how well thought through this has been, including the fact that EU legislation is already enshrined in UK law, otherwise we wouldn't have to observe it! Then there are issues of EU law where you can't just do a "find EU and replace with UK" operation. Then there's the fact that to be part of the single market, the UK must submit to the jurisdiction of European Court of Justice anyway. Add to that serious constitutional issues involving Scotland and Northern Ireland, and this may not be the breezy process some of the media are presenting it as at the moment.

Mrs May has also made clear she does not want the conference to be dominated by the issue of leaving the EU.


Oh, I'm sure she doesn't!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,144 posts)
3. For future discussion clarity: Article 50 will be invoked by end of March 2017, no parliament vote
Sun Oct 2, 2016, 02:44 PM
Oct 2016
http://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-gives-brexit-answers-but-still-faces-huge-battle-10603314

(no vote if the Attorney General wins the case in the High Court next week in which others are trying to force one, that is)

(because the BBC story got extensively updated today)

LeftishBrit

(41,190 posts)
4. So representative democracy can be omitted because of a very narrow majority vote..
Sun Oct 2, 2016, 05:33 PM
Oct 2016

which would not be sufficient mandate for a constitutional amendment in any other country?

You need a majority of *states* in almost any other country (in USA, 75% of states AND Congress has to pass it; in Canada 70% of provinces AND Parliament has to pass it). 50% of constituent countries, 52% of voters, and NO Parliamentary vote = no bloody mandate for such a drastic action.

I wonder who is sitting on May, because I doubt that it's all just her idea. Though it's fairly clear that if she has to choose between keeping the Tory Party united and keeping the UK united, she would always choose the first.

What an almighty mess, and how UNNECESSARY!!!!!!

Denzil_DC

(7,186 posts)
6. Well, May made the announcement on Andrew Marr's show,
Sun Oct 2, 2016, 06:18 PM
Oct 2016

not to parliament, which might have felt it had some grounds to hear about it first!

So no, it doesn't sound like she has much concern for representative democracy, just the craven self-serving populism to paper over Tory splits that we seem to have gotten used to.

Denzil_DC

(7,186 posts)
5. Thanks.
Sun Oct 2, 2016, 06:08 PM
Oct 2016

It's barely the same article I first commented on! Maybe one good reason for quoting a few paragraphs in an OP rather than just giving the link ...

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