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72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:39 AM Feb 2016

Here We Go Again. Have you ever seen such a dishonest campaign?

Lebanon — With just days before the New Hampshire primary, the presidential campaign of Sen. Bernie Sanders, D-Vt., is taking heat from Upper Valley residents who say his campaign used their images on mailers without their permission.

When American Legion state officer Tom Wiley, of Canaan, was called by the Legion’s top officer in New Hampshire, Wiley didn’t know what it was about, but he said the tone of state Cmdr. John Graham made it clear something was wrong.

“He called me, quite straightforwardly, and asked me, had I endorsed any candidate,” Wiley said Saturday. “He asked specifically about Bernie.”

It was a sensitive subject, Wiley knew, both because the American Legion fiercely protects its image as a nonpartisan organization, and because Wiley is in the early stages of a campaign himself, for the post of New Hampshire’s Department Commander. If he were found to be guilty of flouting the group’s bylaws, it could sink his chances. “I said, ‘No, I’ve never even shook his hand,” said Wiley.

Wiley learned Graham had fielded a call from a Legion member in Plaistow, N.H., and that Wiley’s image was prominently included on the front page of a glossy campaign mailer, next to the words “Veterans fought for us. Bernie fought for them.”

[link:http://www.vnews.com/news/20920395-95/sanders-scored-over-use-of-photos#.VrdHooUb4Gc.facebook|
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Here We Go Again. Have you ever seen such a dishonest campaign? (Original Post) 72DejaVu Feb 2016 OP
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #1
I wouldn't go that far sharp_stick Feb 2016 #4
Point taken! Stuckinthebush Feb 2016 #8
Guess they don't mind getting busted and all the bad press. If he runs his campaign this way.. Cha Feb 2016 #2
Right out of the right wing playbook 72DejaVu Feb 2016 #3
Damn they deserve any setback that comes their way. Cha Feb 2016 #9
Isn't this the THIRD TIME they've done this crap? BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #16
This is certainly... MarianJack Feb 2016 #5
Perhaps Cruz and Sanders share an adviser pandr32 Feb 2016 #6
Well, it's no surprise considering what they tried out in Nevada at those four hotels. George II Feb 2016 #7
I would agree with "a well oiled campaign would" newthinking Feb 2016 #19
He can't prevent his campaign workers from perpetrating fraud. That is incompetent management. Squinch Feb 2016 #20
Dirty little tricks, Dick Nixon was know for this, he resigned for his dirty tricks. Perhaps Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #10
But it's a REVOLUTION!!! bluestateguy Feb 2016 #11
You can't make an omelet without breaking eggs, as revolutionaries like to say... Hekate Feb 2016 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author ejbr Feb 2016 #12
Go back to the Borg ship, this is the Hillary group 72DejaVu Feb 2016 #13
Unfounded accusations. Get back to us when you have hard evidence. Like this Fla Dem Feb 2016 #14
What proof is there that Hillary's campaign has been anything other than honest? Squinch Feb 2016 #21
Shady is an understatement. Rilesome Feb 2016 #23
This is the Hillary Group. Please read the TOS at the top of our front page. Suggest you self-delete Hekate Feb 2016 #26
In *my* lifetime? Yes. --- In this century? No! NurseJackie Feb 2016 #15
Seriously this is an embarrasing oversight that should have been vetted, but not more newthinking Feb 2016 #17
I don't think volunteers are designing their advertisements. 72DejaVu Feb 2016 #18
Is this the 4th or the 5th such mistake that has come to light? That's a lot of embarassment. Squinch Feb 2016 #22
This has not yet descended to Nixonian levels, so you're wrong there. HOWEVER... Hekate Feb 2016 #24
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #27
Berns is a professional trouble maker. Dawson Leery Feb 2016 #28

Response to 72DejaVu (Original post)

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
4. I wouldn't go that far
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:56 AM
Feb 2016

I mean comparing someone to the insanity of the cruz campaign is pretty much one notch off comparing them to Hitler.

Cha

(295,925 posts)
2. Guess they don't mind getting busted and all the bad press. If he runs his campaign this way..
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:50 AM
Feb 2016

think what he'd be like in office.

Experienced campaigners from both sides of the aisle said using a person’s image in a campaign advertisement without their permission is unethical. A well-oiled campaign will ensure that everyone whose picture is taken is asked to sign a release form at the time the picture is taken, they said.

That wouldn't be them.

72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)
3. Right out of the right wing playbook
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:51 AM
Feb 2016

Do anything you think will help your campaign, and if you get caught, blame the media. All you have to do is replace "liberal media" with "corporate media" and you're good to go.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
16. Isn't this the THIRD TIME they've done this crap?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:47 PM
Feb 2016

And the first two weren't bad enough?

My god, they're desperate!

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
5. This is certainly...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 12:03 PM
Feb 2016

...a disturbing pattern now, isn't it?

Remember the line "I'm Bernie Sanders, and I approved this message!".

PEACE!

pandr32

(11,447 posts)
6. Perhaps Cruz and Sanders share an adviser
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 12:04 PM
Feb 2016

Playing dirty is not illegal, but it is unethical.
If Sanders was to be honest about how he "fought for them" he would have to admit that he ignored the warnings of top veterans groups who cautioned that without reform that cleaned up the VA, increasing funding for veterans programs would not help the veterans who needed it. It would be lost in the many holes and cracks within the system. Sanders scored a political victory, along with McCain, but did not help veterans who continue to suffer after multi-billion dollar shortfalls.

George II

(67,782 posts)
7. Well, it's no surprise considering what they tried out in Nevada at those four hotels.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 12:07 PM
Feb 2016

They don't understand that they lose more votes than they get with these shenanigans nor do they care whose image (in this case Wiley) they damage.

I wonder what those American Legion officers and members say about how poorly veterans were treated because of Sanders' mishandling of the veterans scandal a few years ago - a mishandling for which Sanders apologized this week.

An interesting quote from the linked article:

"Experienced campaigners from both sides of the aisle said using a person’s image in a campaign advertisement without their permission is unethical. A well-oiled campaign will ensure that everyone whose picture is taken is asked to sign a release form at the time the picture is taken, they said."

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
19. I would agree with "a well oiled campaign would"
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:16 PM
Feb 2016

These are certainly oversights and they hurt his campaign.

Bernie's campaign reminds me a lot of a small business that grows too fast. He does not have the backing of the "professional class" so likely does not have as many who have been through a full presidential campaign cycle. Which is both good and bad.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
20. He can't prevent his campaign workers from perpetrating fraud. That is incompetent management.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:08 PM
Feb 2016

This has happened multiple times. It is dishonest.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
10. Dirty little tricks, Dick Nixon was know for this, he resigned for his dirty tricks. Perhaps
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:37 PM
Feb 2016

he should rethink his never run a dirty campaign, well, doesn't look like he will be able to continue to say this truthfully. Dirt is dirt, abusing organizations by using their images, etc in their campaign materials sent out is not good. Surely he will be able to get a handle on this, the breach of the data base, the tricks his workers attempted in Nevada, using unauthorized use of images, it will not stop here.

I wish Sanders would come clean and admit he has been with Goldman Sachs and others in his fund raising endeavors. He has also met with lobbyists but want to degrade Hillary for her connections to these companies. He said he is against golden parachutes until Jane got her golden parachute.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
11. But it's a REVOLUTION!!!
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:42 PM
Feb 2016

So the normal rules just don't apply.

They get to cut corners on ethics because it's a REVOLUTION for truth, justice and the American Way?

Response to 72DejaVu (Original post)

72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)
13. Go back to the Borg ship, this is the Hillary group
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:10 PM
Feb 2016

All you have is insinuations, Bernie's gang has been caught red handed, over and over again.

Fla Dem

(23,352 posts)
14. Unfounded accusations. Get back to us when you have hard evidence. Like this
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:12 PM
Feb 2016

misleading campaign flyer, not just hearsay from disgruntled Bernie Bros.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
21. What proof is there that Hillary's campaign has been anything other than honest?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:10 PM
Feb 2016

There are multiple undeniable instances where Bernie's campaign has. Video, photos on mailers, etc.

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
26. This is the Hillary Group. Please read the TOS at the top of our front page. Suggest you self-delete
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:03 PM
Feb 2016

Buh-bye.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
15. In *my* lifetime? Yes. --- In this century? No!
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:19 PM
Feb 2016

Certainly not within the lifetimes of Bernie's typical supporters. (So, if you think about it... that kind of explains something I've often wondered about.)

But, have no fears ... Bernie will not be the nominee. His campaign is falling apart as I type this. People are paying attention and figuring out that Hillary is the MOST QUALIFIED and the MOST INTELLIGENT of all who are seeking (and who have sought) their party's nomination for the upcoming election.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
17. Seriously this is an embarrasing oversight that should have been vetted, but not more
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 03:09 PM
Feb 2016

It makes no sense to see it as anything more than that?

Sanders has a a huge number of volunteers and indeed his campaign needs to get some more experienced staff to oversee these things.

Even in the article:

"Campaigns that cut corners up front often wind up paying for the mistake with just this sort of embarrassment, he said."

“It’s a nonpartisan mistake,” Tranchemontagne said. “It happens to campaigns of all shapes and sizes and political parties. I see it happen at least once or twice every cycle.”

Just my 2 cents.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
22. Is this the 4th or the 5th such mistake that has come to light? That's a lot of embarassment.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:13 PM
Feb 2016

It's also a pattern.

This isn't volunteers. This is campaign employees. The least we can say about Bernie's involvement in this is that he is a completely incompetent leader who cannot manage his campaign. It doesn't bode well for managing a country.

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
24. This has not yet descended to Nixonian levels, so you're wrong there. HOWEVER...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:50 PM
Feb 2016

However, as nice a gentleman as Bernie Sanders seems to be when talking with HRC face to face, HE NEEDS TO TAKE CONTROL OF HIS CAMPAIGN WORKERS.

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