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When American Legion state officer Tom Wiley, of Canaan, was called by the Legions top officer in New Hampshire, Wiley didnt know what it was about, but he said the tone of state Cmdr. John Graham made it clear something was wrong.
He called me, quite straightforwardly, and asked me, had I endorsed any candidate, Wiley said Saturday. He asked specifically about Bernie.
It was a sensitive subject, Wiley knew, both because the American Legion fiercely protects its image as a nonpartisan organization, and because Wiley is in the early stages of a campaign himself, for the post of New Hampshires Department Commander. If he were found to be guilty of flouting the groups bylaws, it could sink his chances. I said, No, Ive never even shook his hand, said Wiley.
Wiley learned Graham had fielded a call from a Legion member in Plaistow, N.H., and that Wileys image was prominently included on the front page of a glossy campaign mailer, next to the words Veterans fought for us. Bernie fought for them.
[link:http://www.vnews.com/news/20920395-95/sanders-scored-over-use-of-photos#.VrdHooUb4Gc.facebook|
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sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)I mean comparing someone to the insanity of the cruz campaign is pretty much one notch off comparing them to Hitler.
Stuckinthebush
(10,816 posts)Bad stuck, bad!
Cha
(295,925 posts)think what he'd be like in office.
That wouldn't be them.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)Do anything you think will help your campaign, and if you get caught, blame the media. All you have to do is replace "liberal media" with "corporate media" and you're good to go.
Cha
(295,925 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)And the first two weren't bad enough?
My god, they're desperate!
MarianJack
(10,237 posts)...a disturbing pattern now, isn't it?
Remember the line "I'm Bernie Sanders, and I approved this message!".
PEACE!
pandr32
(11,447 posts)Playing dirty is not illegal, but it is unethical.
If Sanders was to be honest about how he "fought for them" he would have to admit that he ignored the warnings of top veterans groups who cautioned that without reform that cleaned up the VA, increasing funding for veterans programs would not help the veterans who needed it. It would be lost in the many holes and cracks within the system. Sanders scored a political victory, along with McCain, but did not help veterans who continue to suffer after multi-billion dollar shortfalls.
George II
(67,782 posts)They don't understand that they lose more votes than they get with these shenanigans nor do they care whose image (in this case Wiley) they damage.
I wonder what those American Legion officers and members say about how poorly veterans were treated because of Sanders' mishandling of the veterans scandal a few years ago - a mishandling for which Sanders apologized this week.
An interesting quote from the linked article:
"Experienced campaigners from both sides of the aisle said using a persons image in a campaign advertisement without their permission is unethical. A well-oiled campaign will ensure that everyone whose picture is taken is asked to sign a release form at the time the picture is taken, they said."
newthinking
(3,982 posts)These are certainly oversights and they hurt his campaign.
Bernie's campaign reminds me a lot of a small business that grows too fast. He does not have the backing of the "professional class" so likely does not have as many who have been through a full presidential campaign cycle. Which is both good and bad.
Squinch
(50,774 posts)This has happened multiple times. It is dishonest.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)he should rethink his never run a dirty campaign, well, doesn't look like he will be able to continue to say this truthfully. Dirt is dirt, abusing organizations by using their images, etc in their campaign materials sent out is not good. Surely he will be able to get a handle on this, the breach of the data base, the tricks his workers attempted in Nevada, using unauthorized use of images, it will not stop here.
I wish Sanders would come clean and admit he has been with Goldman Sachs and others in his fund raising endeavors. He has also met with lobbyists but want to degrade Hillary for her connections to these companies. He said he is against golden parachutes until Jane got her golden parachute.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)So the normal rules just don't apply.
They get to cut corners on ethics because it's a REVOLUTION for truth, justice and the American Way?
Hekate
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72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)All you have is insinuations, Bernie's gang has been caught red handed, over and over again.
Fla Dem
(23,352 posts)misleading campaign flyer, not just hearsay from disgruntled Bernie Bros.
Squinch
(50,774 posts)There are multiple undeniable instances where Bernie's campaign has. Video, photos on mailers, etc.
Rilesome
(33 posts)Hekate
(90,202 posts)Buh-bye.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Certainly not within the lifetimes of Bernie's typical supporters. (So, if you think about it... that kind of explains something I've often wondered about.)
But, have no fears ... Bernie will not be the nominee. His campaign is falling apart as I type this. People are paying attention and figuring out that Hillary is the MOST QUALIFIED and the MOST INTELLIGENT of all who are seeking (and who have sought) their party's nomination for the upcoming election.
newthinking
(3,982 posts)It makes no sense to see it as anything more than that?
Sanders has a a huge number of volunteers and indeed his campaign needs to get some more experienced staff to oversee these things.
Even in the article:
"Campaigns that cut corners up front often wind up paying for the mistake with just this sort of embarrassment, he said."
Its a nonpartisan mistake, Tranchemontagne said. It happens to campaigns of all shapes and sizes and political parties. I see it happen at least once or twice every cycle.
Just my 2 cents.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)Once is a mistake. This keeps happening.
Squinch
(50,774 posts)It's also a pattern.
This isn't volunteers. This is campaign employees. The least we can say about Bernie's involvement in this is that he is a completely incompetent leader who cannot manage his campaign. It doesn't bode well for managing a country.
Hekate
(90,202 posts)However, as nice a gentleman as Bernie Sanders seems to be when talking with HRC face to face, HE NEEDS TO TAKE CONTROL OF HIS CAMPAIGN WORKERS.
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Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)This came from his campaign staff and it is wrong.