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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Sun May 31, 2015, 02:24 AM May 2015

Shell Oil Caught Planning for Deadly 4 to 6 Degree Rise in Global Temperature

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/17/1385496/-Shell-Oil-Caught-Planning-for-Deadly-4-to-6-Degree-Rise-in-Global-Temperature

Whoopsies. From The Guardian:

Royal Dutch Shell has been accused of pursuing a strategy that would lead to potentially catastrophic climate change after an internal document acknowledged a global temperature rise of 4C, twice the level considered safe for the planet.

A paper used for guiding future business planning at the Anglo-Dutch multinational assumes that carbon dioxide emissions will fail to limit temperature increases to 2C, the internationally agreed threshold to prevent widespread flooding, famine and desertification.

Instead, the New Lens Scenarios document refers to a forecast by the independent International Energy Agency (IEA) that points to a temperature rise of up to 4C in the short term, rising later to 6C.


...
The Shell document says: “Both our (oceans and mountains) scenarios and the IEA New Policies scenario (and our base case energy demand and outlook) do not limit emissions to be consistent with the back-calculated 450 parts per million (Co2 in the atmosphere) 2 degrees C.”

It adds: “We also do not see governments taking steps now that are consistent with 2 degrees C scenario.”
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Shell Oil Caught Planning for Deadly 4 to 6 Degree Rise in Global Temperature (Original Post) eridani May 2015 OP
Forward thinkers. A company and people to be proud of. delrem May 2015 #1
the sad truth is businesses often do long range planning dixiegrrrrl May 2015 #4
This document is what we lawyers call a smoking gun. Divernan May 2015 #2
A "smoking gun" implies that there is something wrong with the document. Nihil Jun 2015 #8
A "smoking gun" is a document revealing an unwelcome truth. Divernan Jun 2015 #9
I see what you mean - thanks. Nihil Jun 2015 #10
Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious May 2015 #3
Great catch pscot May 2015 #5
We're fucked, aren't we? GliderGuider May 2015 #6
From The Grauniad: GliderGuider May 2015 #7

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
4. the sad truth is businesses often do long range planning
Sun May 31, 2015, 09:32 AM
May 2015

while apparently Governments do not.
At least on subjects that will help mankind.
That is pretty pathetic.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
2. This document is what we lawyers call a smoking gun.
Sun May 31, 2015, 04:29 AM
May 2015

Big Oil & its bought and paid for political candidates publicly dismiss and deny global warming, but Shell is expecting and planning for it. RW media may not believe climate change is real.
But sure looks like Shell believes it. Smoking gun.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
8. A "smoking gun" implies that there is something wrong with the document.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:22 AM
Jun 2015

The only thing "wrong" with the document is that it is completely right: governments don't give a shit
and so the temperature WILL go up.

Shell are refusing to play the "hide and pretend there is no problem" game.

Shame that a few so-called "progressive" world leaders aren't that honest.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
9. A "smoking gun" is a document revealing an unwelcome truth.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:39 AM
Jun 2015

When we do discovery in a legal case, we sift through voluminous documents searching for a smoking gun, i.e., a piece of evidence which clearly proves a party guilty. For example, tobacco companies had financed medical research proving the link between tobacco and lung cancer, but kept research findings secret. The same for the link between asbestos and health issues.

When I described Shell's statements as a smoking gun, I in no way meant the long-range predictions were untrue. I meant that this proved Shell accepted the reality and inevitability of fast-approaching and life-altering climate change.

"Something that serves as conclusive evidence or proof (as of a crime or scientific theory)."

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
10. I see what you mean - thanks.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:48 AM
Jun 2015

> When I described Shell's statements as a smoking gun, I in no way meant the long-range predictions
> were untrue. I meant that this proved Shell accepted the reality and inevitability of fast-approaching
> and life-altering climate change.

I had viewed your previous post as implying that *Shell* were being proven guilty rather than
that *a party* (in this case the governments) were. My mistake - thanks!

>> “We also do not see governments taking steps now that are consistent with 2 degrees C scenario.”

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