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I may not be around much longer... (Original Post) dbackjon May 2012 OP
Linked post isn't hidden. pinto May 2012 #1
My original post was dbackjon May 2012 #2
Ah, didn't see that earlier. pinto May 2012 #31
Apparantly, calling him out is hate speech dbackjon May 2012 #3
But a dozen juries today were a okay with telling LBGT posters to STFU Marrah_G May 2012 #89
Same here dbackjon May 2012 #92
Obama's a politician. They ALL play politics with an election on the horizon. gateley May 2012 #4
Why shoudl I wait until after the elcetion? dbackjon May 2012 #5
He is certainly a coward for failing to provide leadership when his party strongly backs equality LonePirate May 2012 #7
He is pandering for voters that will never vote for him dbackjon May 2012 #10
bigot? perhaps. he is a follower, taking the lead is not his style nt msongs May 2012 #11
Ideally, that's what I'd like to see, too. But his past actions have shown he doesn't gateley May 2012 #13
How do you know? What he says and what he believes are not necessarily gateley May 2012 #9
Your objectivity and pragmatism is very comforting, thanks. MNBrewer May 2012 #54
You're assuming that since I'm looking at this through this lens (in this particular discussion) gateley May 2012 #60
Objectivity and pragmatism will destroy our planet MNBrewer May 2012 #62
It's not that simplistic. We are more complex than that. nt gateley May 2012 #63
Objectivity and pragmatism are simplistic. MNBrewer May 2012 #64
Disagree, but that will come as no surprise. I don't view it it as an easy way out, but gateley May 2012 #67
Staying silent and dismissing an issue isn't a step that ensures a good outcome and progress. n/t laconicsax May 2012 #69
With Romney, the nation will take two steps back. Pab Sungenis May 2012 #74
No doubt dbackjon May 2012 #82
Since the only choices are two steps back or one step back Pab Sungenis May 2012 #85
No offense, that line of crap is hyper discredited on DU.... Bluenorthwest May 2012 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author EC May 2012 #38
Why should it be an either or? dbackjon May 2012 #40
Funny, my daughters life as a gay woman EC May 2012 #44
Did those gains happen DESPITE Obama? dbackjon May 2012 #48
You, like other disruptors, have missed the point. DURHAM D May 2012 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author EC May 2012 #43
You can ignore the hosts in this group, TriMera May 2012 #45
You go girl! yardwork May 2012 #72
Block trumps ignore. William769 May 2012 #46
If that's your criteria, add me. nm rhett o rick May 2012 #47
I think he is trying to play the martyr card, hoping to get booted. nm rhett o rick May 2012 #49
True. Very, very, extremely pro-gay rights! Creideiki May 2012 #59
wicked... DURHAM D May 2012 #61
Who do I want elected? Pab Sungenis May 2012 #75
I am going to take a deep breath and put you on ignore Marrah_G May 2012 #90
That poster has been banned from this group. DURHAM D May 2012 #93
But you *must* wait until after the election! Creideiki May 2012 #58
That's the beauty of the American political system! MNBrewer May 2012 #65
take a deep breath -- you are in good company and we don't need fewer of us around here. xchrom May 2012 #6
Trying to - but when you get jury results like that dbackjon May 2012 #8
DUers are what they are. When it comes to LGBTIQ xchrom May 2012 #21
Imagine what would happen if a DUer told a non-LGBT minority to sit down and shut up LonePirate May 2012 #14
Watch out - you may get The List. DURHAM D May 2012 #20
rolled into a cylinder and smacked soundly on the snout MNBrewer May 2012 #66
LOL DURHAM D May 2012 #70
I think they finally realized "teh List" is impotent MNBrewer May 2012 #71
Here. Take my analysis of it. Pab Sungenis May 2012 #76
I don't think wendylaroux May 2012 #12
It is not about Obama vs. Rmoney. It is about Obama doing what is right. LonePirate May 2012 #16
That argument 'would Romney be better' always strikes me as an argument Bluenorthwest May 2012 #81
Can you read? dbackjon May 2012 #17
Sure I can wendylaroux May 2012 #24
I said that I am voting for him dbackjon May 2012 #25
I understand that too wendylaroux May 2012 #29
The majority of America is not for gay marriage, and my state just made it unconstitutional. yardwork May 2012 #73
I really am sorry for offending wendylaroux May 2012 #77
You are offending people by arguing with us in a protected group, the day after a heartbreaking loss yardwork May 2012 #84
Trying to get re-elected and being a bigot are not mutually exclusive. DURHAM D May 2012 #26
You know, most bigoted actions come with a rationalization.... Bluenorthwest May 2012 #79
ok then wendylaroux May 2012 #83
That is not what the poster said. DURHAM D May 2012 #18
agree with wendylaroux SCantiGOP May 2012 #19
Are you aware of what group you are in? DURHAM D May 2012 #22
So wanting equal rights is an over reaction? dbackjon May 2012 #23
wanting equal rights is not an over-reaction; SCantiGOP May 2012 #30
Progressives don't support homophobic bigotry. Obama does. laconicsax May 2012 #32
Calling Obama a progressive is unfair to true progressives LonePirate May 2012 #34
What if that Democratic (I would never call him a progressive) President has bigoted views? Marrah_G May 2012 #95
Reading too many fairy tales, I see. demosincebirth May 2012 #37
You need to slow down and be careful. DURHAM D May 2012 #39
Poor analogy, and divisive in this forum, imo. pinto May 2012 #35
I don't believe Romney believes any such thing! MNBrewer May 2012 #53
Here is Rick Warren shortly before his Inaugural elevation. He was Obama's choice, Obama Bluenorthwest May 2012 #80
Why do you respond with that IDIOTIC non sequitur? MNBrewer May 2012 #52
zing wendylaroux May 2012 #56
What? DURHAM D May 2012 #57
Do you have any idea how insulting it is? Marrah_G May 2012 #94
One of you? wendylaroux May 2012 #96
I was responding to your post Marrah_G May 2012 #97
what? wendylaroux May 2012 #98
I'm not playing your game. Marrah_G May 2012 #99
I'm the leave it alone juror JustAnotherGen May 2012 #15
Is a bigot someone who assumes that they know everything that they need to know patrice May 2012 #27
I think "bigot" is an accurate label based on the first definition in Merriam-Webster. qb May 2012 #28
I don't see the problem with your post. closeupready May 2012 #33
Utopian societies will never exist if thats what you're striving for. demosincebirth May 2012 #36
Excuse me? TriMera May 2012 #41
You are in the LGBT Group William769 May 2012 #50
Miss the point much? qb May 2012 #51
Equal rights for me = necessity, equal rights for you = Utopian Pipedream MNBrewer May 2012 #55
Off to ignore you go Marrah_G May 2012 #91
Isn't it interesting that the bigots who know they're doing something wrong who complain? MNBrewer May 2012 #68
K & R DURHAM D May 2012 #86
I'm going to stay in this forum for the rest of the day Marrah_G May 2012 #87
I hear ya dbackjon May 2012 #88
 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
3. Apparantly, calling him out is hate speech
Tue May 8, 2012, 03:33 PM
May 2012

President Obama is a bigot
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=659496

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

bigoted hate speech

JURY RESULTS

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Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: Over the top
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: This is election season. I strongly disagree with Obama's view on gay marriage. But frankly this post is hyperbole. Not helpful.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: Agree with alerter.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: Yeah, over the top to call him a bigot.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given

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Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
89. But a dozen juries today were a okay with telling LBGT posters to STFU
Wed May 9, 2012, 03:56 PM
May 2012

because Obamas re-election is more important then equality and the whiny babies who want it.

I'm disgusted with DU today. I'm furious, heartbroken and left shaking my head.

gateley

(62,683 posts)
4. Obama's a politician. They ALL play politics with an election on the horizon.
Tue May 8, 2012, 03:34 PM
May 2012

It's wrong, and I'm sure Obama the PERSON agrees, but in order to not alienate those who don't, he's got to straddle that noncommittal line.

I don't know why this is falling on Obama's shoulders anyway. He can't MAKE gay marriage legal -- it's being used as a political tool against him.

I don't think he's a bigot. I think he's telling us he's changed his mind (remember, initially he was against marriage but for civil unions?).

I'm hopeful that after the reelection, he'll come out in full support of gay marriage. Until then, he's got to do what it takes to win that election and keep Romney out of the White House.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
5. Why shoudl I wait until after the elcetion?
Tue May 8, 2012, 03:36 PM
May 2012

Then what will come up.


No, Obama IS A BIGOT. he does not support equality for all Americans.

LonePirate

(13,386 posts)
7. He is certainly a coward for failing to provide leadership when his party strongly backs equality
Tue May 8, 2012, 03:41 PM
May 2012

He needs to be saying "fuck you" to all of the people who don't support equality. I want a president who stands up for what is right instead of cowering to the backwards and intolerant folk among us.

gateley

(62,683 posts)
13. Ideally, that's what I'd like to see, too. But his past actions have shown he doesn't
Tue May 8, 2012, 03:44 PM
May 2012

always take that route.

gateley

(62,683 posts)
9. How do you know? What he says and what he believes are not necessarily
Tue May 8, 2012, 03:43 PM
May 2012

the same at this point in the political cycle. That's what I was trying to say in my other post. Trying to be objective and pragmatic. Emotionally, I agree, but politics is politics, and it doesn't do us any good to pretend it's other than saying what needs to be said in order to get the vote.

gateley

(62,683 posts)
60. You're assuming that since I'm looking at this through this lens (in this particular discussion)
Tue May 8, 2012, 08:38 PM
May 2012

that I don't care passionately about how WRONG the current policy is. I do. It truly breaks my heart. But we need to get Obama back in the WH to move closer to that goal. It will never happen if Romney takes over, any more than DADT would have been repealed had McCain won.

My remarks weren't meant to be of comfort -- what could I possibly say that would comfort those who have been denied their rights? My remarks are an attempt to help us keep focused on attaining those equal rights, no matter what.

Thanks for the snark, though. Hope it made YOU feel better.



MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
62. Objectivity and pragmatism will destroy our planet
Tue May 8, 2012, 08:58 PM
May 2012

They are lies that we tell ourselves to cover up a multitude of sins, omission and commission.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
64. Objectivity and pragmatism are simplistic.
Tue May 8, 2012, 09:43 PM
May 2012

They are excuses for not doing what you don't want to do because it's too HARD!!! *whine*

gateley

(62,683 posts)
67. Disagree, but that will come as no surprise. I don't view it it as an easy way out, but
Tue May 8, 2012, 09:57 PM
May 2012

rather taking steps that may not be the ones I WANT, in order to achieve my goals in the end.

What I want to do is scream and rant at the injustices that are killing us as a people, but that's not going to accomplish anything. What I should do is take the steps that will ensure a good outcome and progress toward that end.

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
69. Staying silent and dismissing an issue isn't a step that ensures a good outcome and progress. n/t
Tue May 8, 2012, 10:06 PM
May 2012
 

Pab Sungenis

(9,612 posts)
74. With Romney, the nation will take two steps back.
Wed May 9, 2012, 08:17 AM
May 2012

With Obama, we will only take one step back.

Not an encouraging choice, sadly.

 

Pab Sungenis

(9,612 posts)
85. Since the only choices are two steps back or one step back
Wed May 9, 2012, 02:40 PM
May 2012

we need to rally behind and elect the one step candidate. But then we need to start finding and getting behind candidates who are going to start stepping forward. And if they start to step back, we need to get rid of them.

So the end result is we need to re-elect Obama, then pray that he starts acting like the "fierce advocate" he said he was four years ago.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
78. No offense, that line of crap is hyper discredited on DU....
Wed May 9, 2012, 11:13 AM
May 2012

When folks say 'I support BUT' they don't support. That is the only assumption that is safe to make in a place filled with people who make false claims of their history of support only to build up their arguments for delay, delay, cowardice and hypocrisy.
So the standards of this community mean that self proclamation carries zero validity. Some of the 'pragmatic' DUers openly lie about their past history, and thus I do not trust that class of argument at all. Not at all. You could be lying, and if you were, DU would think that is groovy sauce. So the benefit of the doubt is no longer functional for the 'sensible pragmatic' arguments. I now assume that what anyone says prior to rationalizing delays of equality is not true and said only to construct a platform from which to argue that the time is not now, is never now, sure it is the right thing, but it is not 'pragmatic'.
I love that word Pragmatism when applied to the President who says he is the opposite of that, he says he is a faith based, God in the Mix, dogma over reason sort of guy. Now in the philosophy 'Pragmatism' nothing unseen is counted as true. There is no God unless you can prove there is one, there is no 'support' unless that support is active. 'Faith' and 'God in the mix' are utterly counter to Pragmatic philosophy, yet some on DU want to claim the President is both a Christian and a Pragmatist. Pragmatism is a heresy in Christian terms, they can not co-exist of alternate as one's guiding principle.
Oh well. The delay and rationalize people were always wrong, now they are wrong and lacking in any rhetorical protection. I simply do not believe anything said by anyone who makes such arguments. One of the folks like that told me 'I have supported equality for decades' when the fact was in 2005 he was writing hate filled and ignorant propaganda against gay people all over the internet. I assume all who waver and excuse and split political hairs are as likely spouting falsehoods as they are telling the truth.
So 'I support you but' folks need a new fucking rap to repeat. I'm done with it, and done with anyone who starts making personal claims prior to stating personal qualms. It walks like a duck, it is a duck, and that is now that.

Response to dbackjon (Reply #5)

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
40. Why should it be an either or?
Tue May 8, 2012, 04:37 PM
May 2012

Why can't Obama take the lead on Civil Rights?

What deeds?

My life as a gay man has not changed ONE BIT under Obama.

I still can get fired. I still can't get married.

EC

(12,287 posts)
44. Funny, my daughters life as a gay woman
Tue May 8, 2012, 04:45 PM
May 2012

has changed. Sure not fast enough, but I know damn well if the repubs win, I'll be scared for my daughters future. I shouldn't have to name the deeds to you, I'm sure you've been paying attention at the wins we did manage to get so far.

And just because it shouldn't be an either/or, doesn't change the fact that in some states it does matter.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
48. Did those gains happen DESPITE Obama?
Tue May 8, 2012, 04:47 PM
May 2012

Did Obama go out and campaign for equality in her state?

Or against it like he did in CA?

DURHAM D

(32,595 posts)
42. You, like other disruptors, have missed the point.
Tue May 8, 2012, 04:39 PM
May 2012

He said he would vote for Obama. But he is still allowed to complain.

Response to DURHAM D (Reply #42)

TriMera

(1,375 posts)
45. You can ignore the hosts in this group,
Tue May 8, 2012, 04:45 PM
May 2012

but I wouldn't recommend it. Just a reminder: this is a safe haven group. We don't need people coming in here to accuse us of wanting to elect Romney.

Creideiki

(2,567 posts)
59. True. Very, very, extremely pro-gay rights!
Tue May 8, 2012, 07:21 PM
May 2012

Why, if I were an employee of the State Department, and I were sent overseas, the State Department wouldn't try to separate out which of our household possessions are actually mine and which are my husbands.

Oh, and if I were an employee of the State Department, and I needed to be evacuated, the State Department would also be so mighty generous and also evacuate my husband.

Unfortunately, I work for a different agency. So I'm screwed.

 

Pab Sungenis

(9,612 posts)
75. Who do I want elected?
Wed May 9, 2012, 08:19 AM
May 2012

Senator Barack Obama of Illinois. He ran for the 2008 nomination.

How we got the guy in the White House now is any guess.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
90. I am going to take a deep breath and put you on ignore
Wed May 9, 2012, 03:59 PM
May 2012

I will not tell you where I think you should go or what you should do when you get there.

DURHAM D

(32,595 posts)
93. That poster has been banned from this group.
Wed May 9, 2012, 04:50 PM
May 2012

Click on the box - About This Group. Scroll down for the list.

Others will likely be added soon.

Creideiki

(2,567 posts)
58. But you *must* wait until after the election!
Tue May 8, 2012, 07:18 PM
May 2012

And then it's only 2 years until the next one! Can't call him out then.

Oh, and then only 2 years until the next one! Can't call him out then, either. Who cares if he's going to be running. (Maybe by the time he's done running for office, he'll have "evolved", but I'll let any random Michael Jordan fan hold her breath until that happens.) Other Democrats will be running and not hating gays enough will keep the people from voting for Democrats who wouldn't vote for Democrats, anyway.

Oh, and then only 2 years until the next MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION EVAR!!!!!

Oh, and then only 2 years until ONLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR LIFETIMES!!!!!11!!!!

Oh, and then there's another election coming up in ONLY 2 YEARS? IT'S TOO IMPORTANT TO ASK FOR EQUALITY NOW!!!!!!!!!1!!1!!11!ONE!!!!ELEVEN!!!!

*sarcasm*

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
65. That's the beauty of the American political system!
Tue May 8, 2012, 09:54 PM
May 2012

There's always an election coming up. And the most important ones are the presidential years except for the off year elections which are of importance #1. Don't rock the boat or you'll get President Bachmann!!! Or Perry, or Cain, or Gingrich, or Santorum.... or... somebody.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
6. take a deep breath -- you are in good company and we don't need fewer of us around here.
Tue May 8, 2012, 03:40 PM
May 2012

please don't try not to get your self TOS'd -- we know and share your feelings but just try to ignore or what ever is said around here.

DU can be difficult because too many feel like the prez -- and that's pretty frustrating.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
8. Trying to - but when you get jury results like that
Tue May 8, 2012, 03:43 PM
May 2012

It is hard to imagine DU changing for the better

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
21. DUers are what they are. When it comes to LGBTIQ
Tue May 8, 2012, 03:55 PM
May 2012

Issues they aren't going to change.

But this is an easy site to use and we get to talk to each other.
I wouldn't have had the pleasure of meeting a lot of great gay folk were it not for this place.

The soft homophobia is hard core here - and it isn't going to change.

LonePirate

(13,386 posts)
14. Imagine what would happen if a DUer told a non-LGBT minority to sit down and shut up
Tue May 8, 2012, 03:44 PM
May 2012

That person would be banned almost immediately but LGBT DUers are supposed to keep quiet as our president refuses to do what is right and treats us like second class Americans.

DURHAM D

(32,595 posts)
70. LOL
Tue May 8, 2012, 10:09 PM
May 2012

I was thinking earlier today that maybe we should just bring in The List and pin it at the top of our group.

That way the fluffers won't need to worry about "bringing" it to us. The only problem is that it will need to open like a scroll.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
71. I think they finally realized "teh List" is impotent
Tue May 8, 2012, 10:14 PM
May 2012

I haven't seen it in a while. Except for that lovely rainbow, yellow-brick road one the Obama Campaign put out.... suitable for framing.

LonePirate

(13,386 posts)
16. It is not about Obama vs. Rmoney. It is about Obama doing what is right.
Tue May 8, 2012, 03:47 PM
May 2012

Could you imagine his reaction if someone told him that he or his parents could not get married? His lack of support for equality is a disgrace for our party.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
81. That argument 'would Romney be better' always strikes me as an argument
Wed May 9, 2012, 11:57 AM
May 2012

rooted in less than constant Democratic voting. That is, none of the Democrats I know are surprised that we compromise in voting many times in a political life. My Democratic father gave me a clothes pin for my first election day, he said a Democrat will often need one to endure voting for a candidate with whom we have large disagreements, or in my father's time, candidates who were replacements for the fallen. My Dad was for RFK. Held his nose to vote for Humphrey, who was not RFK. He was however, the Democratic nominee.
So when I hear that 'do you want the Republican' argument, I assume it comes from those who at some junctures do want the Republican, or that they often skip voting entirely. If they think voters need to be filled with songs of praise in order to cast a vote, they can not have much experience as a Democrat. If they think others might not vote or actually vote GOP, that is a window into their own thinking. It means that when they were not totally pleased with a candidate's policy, they did not vote for that candidate, perhaps they went for another or stayed home.
In my world, missing an election is crazy talk, and once that ballot is in my hands, the Democratic candidates, all of them, are the only choice I can make. And that's the other part of this 'would Romney do better' argument about election rhetoric. We all have more than one Democratic candidate to support. It is not just Obama. So some progressives live in places where the Dogs are Blue and thus they compromise. I assume that some 'moderates' or conservative Democrats feel the same way when our candidate of choice is 'too liberal' for them. I assume they are used to casting the vote for the candidate we as a Party nominated while kvetching and attempting to cajole the candidate into more acceptable positions. How could anyone be a consistent Democratic voter and NOT understand the idea of supporting a candidate while opposing some of his policies? I mean anyone, from any part of the spectrum? I can't see it.

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
24. Sure I can
Tue May 8, 2012, 03:59 PM
May 2012

I am reading that you are beyond pissed,and had more then enough of the bullshit of bigots. But Pres. Obama is not a bigot. He is trying to be reelected,if that means he has to keep his mouth shut about this,then he will.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
25. I said that I am voting for him
Tue May 8, 2012, 04:02 PM
May 2012

I know he is better than Rmoney.

But supporting equality should not be a political calculation.

We are continually told - just keep quiet - when we win, we will make it all better. And then nothing changes.

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
29. I understand that too
Tue May 8, 2012, 04:09 PM
May 2012

I really do,keeping quiet,be nice,all of it. But it's getting closer and closer to being better. The majority of America is for gay marriage now. Sorry for offending you.

yardwork

(61,415 posts)
73. The majority of America is not for gay marriage, and my state just made it unconstitutional.
Tue May 8, 2012, 10:51 PM
May 2012

Things are not as great as some would like to believe. Please allow those us who are the victims of these bigoted laws to express our opinions about how it feels to live under bigotry.

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
77. I really am sorry for offending
Wed May 9, 2012, 10:15 AM
May 2012

anyone,plus I have seen polls which said the majority of people are fine with gay marriage. Plus in the red area I live in the older people who I hear talk about it are changing their stance on this. And as far as the younger people,most have the opinion of-"wtf is peoples problem with this?" and THEY are the ones that will be running things soon.

yardwork

(61,415 posts)
84. You are offending people by arguing with us in a protected group, the day after a heartbreaking loss
Wed May 9, 2012, 02:26 PM
May 2012

The sensitive thing to do would be to read quietly and stop arguing with us. Thanks.

DURHAM D

(32,595 posts)
26. Trying to get re-elected and being a bigot are not mutually exclusive.
Tue May 8, 2012, 04:02 PM
May 2012

The Poster said he would probably vote for him. The OP, like everyone, is entitled to a bitch ticket regarding the behavior of Democrats.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
79. You know, most bigoted actions come with a rationalization....
Wed May 9, 2012, 11:25 AM
May 2012

'He's not a bigot, he just needs cheap labor to make money'. Unless you accept that all humans hold the right to do wrong to others for their own advancement, your argument is more damning than redeeming of the President's actions. 'not a bigot, just want my kids in good schools'. 'Not a bigot, just a plantation owner trying to compete'.
Is there ANY bigoted action you'd not accept merely because it helped the person taking the bigoted action? How many bigoted actions does it take to make a bigot, or is no one a bigot if they offer a 'reason' for their bigoted actions and words?

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
83. ok then
Wed May 9, 2012, 01:55 PM
May 2012

Pretty sure I'm not a bigot,but say and think what you will,I will continue to want the freedom for all to get married,or any kind of civil right progress. And I will always defend anyone struggling for their rights.

SCantiGOP

(13,856 posts)
19. agree with wendylaroux
Tue May 8, 2012, 03:50 PM
May 2012

It's like me asking you if you would rather I slap you in the face or cut off one of your hands. The slap would be painful and humiliating, but a hell of a lot better than the amputation. Obama needs to do everything he can to avoid having a true bigot in the White House -- one who believes that God hates gays and the government should be as negative as possible to that portion of our population.
Calling Obama a bigot is at best an over-reaction and at worst radically counter-productive.

DURHAM D

(32,595 posts)
22. Are you aware of what group you are in?
Tue May 8, 2012, 03:55 PM
May 2012

You have created a straw dog. It is offensive. Please delete.

SCantiGOP

(13,856 posts)
30. wanting equal rights is not an over-reaction;
Tue May 8, 2012, 04:10 PM
May 2012

demanding and fighting for equal rights isn't either. Calling a progressive Democratic President a bigot is.

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
32. Progressives don't support homophobic bigotry. Obama does.
Tue May 8, 2012, 04:20 PM
May 2012

When asked about Prop 8, he said that marriage is "between a man and a woman" and that he is "not in favor of gay marriage" then invited one of the architects of Prop 8 to give the invocation at his inauguration.

Since then, he has never retracted or apologized for those remarks and the official word is that his position is "evolving" yet when members of his administration publicly endorse equality under the law, he still refuses to allow himself to be categorized as supporting marriage equality.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
95. What if that Democratic (I would never call him a progressive) President has bigoted views?
Wed May 9, 2012, 06:35 PM
May 2012

Is it okay to point it out when he screws up? Or perhaps we should sit down and STFU so we don't hurt his campaign?

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
53. I don't believe Romney believes any such thing!
Tue May 8, 2012, 06:23 PM
May 2012

"one who believes that God hates gays and the government should be as negative as possible to that portion of our population"

I don't believe that Romney has that belief at all. He's doing what he has to to pander to his Republican voters.

One of our guys, I forget who it was, said that he was against same-sex marriage because "I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian…it is also a sacred union. God’s in the mix."

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
80. Here is Rick Warren shortly before his Inaugural elevation. He was Obama's choice, Obama
Wed May 9, 2012, 11:38 AM
May 2012

called him 'America's Minister'. This clip is Warren during the interim between his selection by Obama and the actual event.


Obama tries to tell all Americans we have some relationship with this hateful huckster. Obama has a relationship with him, they share stages and dogmas and prejudices.....
And the actions of some Republican do not mitigate nor should they define the actions of a Democratic President on any issue. A
man's words and actions are his own. President or not.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
52. Why do you respond with that IDIOTIC non sequitur?
Tue May 8, 2012, 06:19 PM
May 2012

This isn't about Obama vs. Romney. It's about how Obama is playing politics with the rights of GLBT people. It has absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to do with Mitt Romney.

Better under Romney? No. Better under Ru Paul? Yeah! See how much sense that makes?

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
94. Do you have any idea how insulting it is?
Wed May 9, 2012, 06:33 PM
May 2012

Everytime one of you says something like that I want to hurl my glass against a wall.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
99. I'm not playing your game.
Wed May 9, 2012, 07:28 PM
May 2012

Off to ignore you go with the rest of your little "enjoy president romney" buddies.

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
15. I'm the leave it alone juror
Tue May 8, 2012, 03:46 PM
May 2012
Obama has been called faaaaaaar faaaaaaar worth and at the end of the day - you stated you would vote for him.

I think President Obama is a war monger for not yanking our troops our of Iraq and Afghanistan on day one of his Presidency. I do - I believe they are his wars now. But I'm still going to vote for him.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
27. Is a bigot someone who assumes that they know everything that they need to know
Tue May 8, 2012, 04:04 PM
May 2012

in order to deliver an absolute judgement on someone else?

qb

(5,924 posts)
28. I think "bigot" is an accurate label based on the first definition in Merriam-Webster.
Tue May 8, 2012, 04:08 PM
May 2012

Definition of BIGOT (www.merriam-webster.com):
a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices;

The word does carry an emotional punch, but DU does not need to be that thin-skinned.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
33. I don't see the problem with your post.
Tue May 8, 2012, 04:22 PM
May 2012

You're fine. Unless - did someone send you a PM about it or something?

I had a post hidden. It happens. I understand that some posts are going to be hidden, but I wouldn't retract those comments. I would maybe apologize to the person to whom they were directed, but they were my honest opinion, and to retract them later, would be tantamount to lying, IMO.

TriMera

(1,375 posts)
41. Excuse me?
Tue May 8, 2012, 04:38 PM
May 2012

Do you think that is an appropriate response to people looking for equal rights? You may want to consider which group you are posting in.

William769

(55,124 posts)
50. You are in the LGBT Group
Tue May 8, 2012, 05:14 PM
May 2012

But please remember when you visit our group, posts like that are not acceptable. This is our small corner of DU and there are many other places on DU you can post that, but not here.

If you have nothing nice or constructive to say, it's best you leave it at the front door while in this group.

William769

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
68. Isn't it interesting that the bigots who know they're doing something wrong who complain?
Tue May 8, 2012, 09:59 PM
May 2012

Bigots who believe they are correct will embrace the criticism, affirm it as truth. Bigots who know they're wrong are the first to take offense at being called on their bigotry and deny or excuse it as pragmatism.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
87. I'm going to stay in this forum for the rest of the day
Wed May 9, 2012, 03:54 PM
May 2012

and probably the rest of the week. Otherwise I'll end up banned again......

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