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LostinRed

(840 posts)
Mon May 14, 2012, 02:33 AM May 2012

Sick of hearing 31 states voted to ban gay marriage

Why arent they asking if those same states would still ban it. I don't think prop 8 would survive a vote this year. Maybe I'm being a bit too optimistic but looking at National polling results support for gay marriage has been moving in a positive direction quite rapidly http://pollingreport.com/civil.htm

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dballance

(5,756 posts)
1. So back in 1964 Congress realized you could not leave the rights of African-Americans...
Mon May 14, 2012, 02:53 AM
May 2012

to a state by state vote. Why today almost 50 years later is it acceptable to allow states to discriminate against LBGT people?

If we had allowed the rights of African-Americans to be voted on state by state I suspect we'd still have separate water fountains in many places. Interracial marriages would still be outlawed in several states. And people would still be made to sit in the back of the bus.

racaulk

(11,550 posts)
4. Why? Because many people still believe that being gay is a choice.
Mon May 14, 2012, 09:58 AM
May 2012

Homosexuality is not yet widely seen as an innate trait as is race, and that is due largely to the campaign of misinformation promoted by religious leaders and various anti-gay forces.

This is the kind of thing when I faced when I called my cousin to task for her vote in support of Amendment One. She included in her reply, in part, "we all have choices to make in life, and it's not as if you're being discriminated against as a person."



I'm not saying it's right, because it's not, but this is the kind of bullshit we're facing. Many of our current leaders in our current Congress still believe this, or at least they publicly say they do as a means of staying in office.

yardwork

(61,418 posts)
7. What an awful thing for your cousin to say to you!
Mon May 14, 2012, 10:26 AM
May 2012

I'm sure that some of my cousins would say the same or worse, which is why I have no contact with them.

And that hurts everybody. Hatred and ignorance are so toxic.

I'm sorry that happened to you, racaulk.

racaulk

(11,550 posts)
9. Thank you, yardwork, I truly appreciate that.
Mon May 14, 2012, 03:04 PM
May 2012

The thing is this cousin is one of my more open-minded and progressive relatives, which is why her comment totally shocked me.

Although I no longer live there, North Carolina will always be my home state and the result of the vote on Amendment One, while not surprising, still disappointed me greatly. I know that you did what you could to help prevent that result, and I thank you for that.

But this is a temporary setback. The societal shift is permanently changing in our favor and the forces of equality will prevail in the end. They always do.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
2. The point you make is too intelligent for our news media to understand
Mon May 14, 2012, 03:43 AM
May 2012

Some of those states that voted to ban it did so 8-10 years ago. After a number of years the claims of a public mandate wear thin.

That would be like saying that that everybody should just shut up and be quite because the leader won the election 8 years ago.

HillWilliam

(3,310 posts)
3. That and all the little trolls who keep posting
Mon May 14, 2012, 09:50 AM
May 2012

"NC has spoken. Get over it."

Fuck them. I ain't fergittin'.

racaulk

(11,550 posts)
5. I will be glad when a state, just one state, votes in support of marriage equality.
Mon May 14, 2012, 10:01 AM
May 2012

I'm so sick of hearing that sound bite "every time the people have had a chance to vote, they have said 'no.'" Fuck that noise. Just because an opinion is popular at one point in time, doesn't make it right.

I am especially hopeful that one of the four states that are voting this November will be the first to buck the trend, and I think that Washington and Maine may be our best bets. I would love nothing more than to see that sound bite effectively neutralized forever.

yardwork

(61,418 posts)
6. North Carolina just banned equal marriage, plus all civil unions and domestic partnerships, by 61%
Mon May 14, 2012, 10:16 AM
May 2012

I'm sick of having my civil rights up for vote.

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