DU jury to Matthew Shepard: Fuck You.

[Pab Sungenis]

At Sun Oct 6, 2013, 09:02 AM you sent an alert on the following post:

Have We Got Matthew Shepard All Wrong?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023794015

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS:

Homophobic historical revisionism from a long-time right wing "Blue Dog." This has no place here.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sun Oct 6, 2013, 09:09 AM, and voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: Discussion should take place but Recursion is not the one to lead it. Hide
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Discussing a recently published book and a counter argument to that book is VERY APPROPRIATE for this website. It is not homophobic to have a simple discussion. I am saddened that someone would alert. That shows a hypersensitivity to rational discussion that does not aid the cause of LGBT.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: There is nothing wrong with raising questions to discuss the historical revisionism, which is how the OP is presented.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Not hide worthy, IMHO.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

[Ian David]

1. Looks like he's self-deleted the post. Doesn't want to blow his cover, maybe? n/t

[Cooley Hurd]

2. The OP self-deleted...

...thankfully. You can alert on Juries, per Skinner. I'd alert on this one.

[fitman]

3. I want to read both sides of the story

and make an opinion from there..why censor stuff?

[Pab Sungenis]

4. So should we hear the KKK's side of the story?

Or the Nazis'?

Sometimes there AREN'T two sides to a story.

[fitman]

6. Nazi's and KKK?? C'mon

But yes, in rational discussion I want to hear both sides..the side that is right will prevail.

Some of you want censorship if it matches whatever cause you happen to be for.

[Pab Sungenis]

9. And this is not a rational discussion.

This is historical revisionists who are arguing that there is no need for hate crime laws saying that the most notorious gay-bashing in history was a lover's spat over a drug deal gone wrong.

[joeybee12]

23. Exactly..lies and distortion are not "one side"

Typical gay-bashing from that person while trying to sound "reasonable."

[Kelvin Mace]

27. Only by listening to the lie

and understanding the context, do I have any chance of deconstructing it and revealing the truth.

[Kelvin Mace]

26. There are ALWAYS to sides to a story

Even though you have invoked Godwin's Law and went straight to Nazi analogies, I will answer you question just the same.

Yes, I want to know the Nazi or the KKK's side of the story. Only by understanding what led these people to commit the horrid acts they did can I prevent such things in the future. Only by learning what a Klansman believes and why he believes it do I have any chance of undoing educating him.

Once we lose empathy for other humans, even our enemies, we start to become just like them.

[frylock]

5. if someone claimed that space aliens killed shepard, would you give that side credence as well?

you know, in the spirit of hearing both sides of the story.

[fitman]

7. I'm glad some of you are not on a jury..

the perp, innocent or not would be convicted in your mind..

[Pab Sungenis]

11. A jury already convicted the killers

and people like you are trying to overrule that jury in history's case.

You have no power here. Be gone before someone drops a house on you.

[fitman]

12. I'm bi btw...

n/t

[Pab Sungenis]

14. So?

[fitman]

15. Bunch of innocent people in prison especially black men..

TBH..I know nothing about Matthew Shepherd-I know just the basic details and that is it.

Yes, the guys who murdered him should be in jail for life and it should not be overturned no matter what new info comes out.


...and I am all for hate crime laws..

[frylock]

17. so do you believe that the birthers have a legit argument?

should we listen to what they say with rapt attention? you admit that you know very little of the case, yet you'll entertain the word of this fool based solely on his hearsay? he has ZERO evidence to back his assertion. none.

[Kelvin Mace]

28. Just because I listen to someone

doesn't mean I give their opinion credence.

Also, I can use their argument and point out the logical inconsistencies, perhaps educate them. If nothing else, I now have another example of a lie in my arsenal with which to educate others.

If I deny the person their say, then I will NEVER change their view. If I allow them their say, engae their argument, chances are I still won't change their views toward the truth, but, SOME chance is better than NO chance.

[Zorra]

8. ...

We censor some things at DU because ignorant RW trolls come here to get their juvenile jollies by posting malicious unsupportable swill, and we don't want to waste time sifting through their childish bullshit.

[fitman]

10. I'm far from a rw troll trust me on that...

[Pab Sungenis]

13. Did we call you a troll?

The woman doth protest too much, methinks.

[Zorra]

16. Then maybe you can understand that the DU LGBT community here has seen

hundreds if not thousands of RW trolls post on DU, childish idiots who thought they were clever and posted veiled gay hating or Democrat hating swill of every kind. Most of them get tombstoned pretty quickly, but a few manage to hang around by not quite pushing the envelope too far.

Republicans, and conservatives, and their views and opinions, are not exactly welcome here. We have seen the entirety of their ideas over and over already, and they have nothing to say that is of any significant value.

The Republican party is an inhumane hate group that oppresses us, and legislates to deny us our rights.

Republicans do nothing that is good, and no decent human being would belong to such a group. So we have no reason to put up with their ignorant repetitive juvenile nonsense here.

Try to understand that we have much more important things to think about and do then wonder why any DU poster would tell us that we should pay attention to ludicrous ravings of a gay hating Orly Taitz wannabe like Jimenez.

[idwiyo]

18. I am straight but I have no friggin desire to read another bullshit revisionist story.

Saw more than enough of that shit to last me a lifetime.

[dbackjon]

22. Really?

This is a wacked out anti-gay hit piece fuck that.



This asshole (Recurssion) has no business on DU

[Heddi]

19. Such concern. SO very concerned

that Du'er's be concerned and abreast of these concerning revelations.



Homophobia allowed on DU? noooooo

[nomorenomore08]

20. Thing is, none of the other "angles" on the case negate the fact that it was a hate crime.

So what if Shepard and McKinney had done drugs together, or had a sexual relationship? The guy was still brutally murdered, and his murder was still motivated on some level by hate.

[RKP5637]

21. It's all about $$$$$. There is big money to be made in publishing

disinformation and many gullible stand in line to give their money to the author for their trash!

[bullwinkle428]

24. The RW has pushing the meme that this wasn't a hate crime since

before Matthew Shepherd's body was even cold!

Sucks that shit like this gets pushed here at DU.

[NCLefty]

25. It just 6 people.

I mean you can easily find 6 blowhards in ANY group of a sufficient size.