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Tue Feb 3, 2015, 02:03 PM

Trans members- The Bruce Jenner discussion has me disturbed

I am really bothered by the way the media addresses Bruce.

"He" , "him" Bruce is a woman. She sees herself as a woman, and has all along. She is "transitioning" to be herself. When did you address each other as your true sex?

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/bruce-jenner-sit-down-diane-sawyer-discuss-gender-021500201-us-weekly.html

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Reply Trans members- The Bruce Jenner discussion has me disturbed (Original post)
w8liftinglady Feb 2015 OP
Terra Alta Feb 2015 #1
William769 Feb 2015 #3
uriel1972 Feb 2015 #2
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marym625 Feb 2015 #8
uriel1972 Feb 2015 #10
Luxadvector Feb 2015 #4
BeeBee Feb 2015 #6
nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #5
Marrah_G Feb 2015 #7
marym625 Feb 2015 #9
Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #11
NCLefty Feb 2015 #12

Response to w8liftinglady (Original post)

Tue Feb 3, 2015, 06:58 PM

1. I'm not transgender

but it does bother me that the media is using male pronouns. If Bruce identifies herself as female, then she should be referred to as such.

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Response to Terra Alta (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 4, 2015, 03:47 PM

3. It's chelsea manning all over again and not just in the media.

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Response to w8liftinglady (Original post)

Wed Feb 4, 2015, 04:57 AM

2. I have gender dysphoria and will not transition

or change my pronoun until I feel it is safe to do so.
I don't feel safe at the moment and it may be a few years until I can be open about it.
Hopefully, I can sometime in my life.
But on topic, If a person identifies themselves as a particular sex or none then we should treat them in the appropriate manner. It is a matter of respect for a human being.

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Response to uriel1972 (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 10, 2015, 10:05 AM

8. .

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Response to marym625 (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 10, 2015, 03:56 PM

10. thank you

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Response to w8liftinglady (Original post)

Thu Feb 5, 2015, 03:11 AM

4. It's on purpose...

 

They've been waiting for "Bruce" to make the announcement himself. At that time, I think using she will be appropriate. However, I don't think it's odd or wrong for people to be discussing it. As a matter of respect, just put yourself in their shoes. You are a she when you say so. At least, that is my thinking on the subject.

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Response to Luxadvector (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 06:00 PM

6. Yes, that's my take on it too.

Bruce Jenner has not publicly come out as transgender yet; so far it's just rumor. When and if Bruce does come out as transgender, then Bruce will let us know what pronouns and name to use.

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Response to w8liftinglady (Original post)

Thu Feb 5, 2015, 11:01 PM

5. I understand it may take some getting used to - especially on the part of family and close friends -

but courtesy and understanding are sorely needed in these situations.

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Response to w8liftinglady (Original post)

Tue Feb 10, 2015, 12:00 AM

7. I think if it's written media there is no excuse

But verbally it can take some time. My daughters partner came out a few months ago as trans and is doing the female to male medical process. I still slip up and call him she or her occasionally or call him by the name I started out knowing him by. I catch myself pretty quickly now and apologize, but it does take some time to retrain something that was habit.

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Response to w8liftinglady (Original post)

Tue Feb 10, 2015, 10:07 AM

9. I believe that Bruce has come out

If not in a statement to the public directly, through others she has. But until we are given a name, we have no choice but to call her Bruce.

What an incredibly brave thing she is doing.

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Response to w8liftinglady (Original post)

Mon Feb 16, 2015, 02:01 AM

11. I find the way this is being discussed in the media to be very squicky, generally

not just the use of pronouns but also the fact that it's a story at all; Jenner has not come out as transgender, so the whole thing has a feeling of outing. LGBT people own their own stories and it's for them to come out when they're comfortable doing so. This kind of salacious public outing can be pretty harmful and really the public doesn't have any right to know. I can see making an exception to the rule for outing a closeted public figure who's actively engaged in harming the LGBT community; if someone is closeted and is an elected official engaged in denying marriage equality or promoting harmful things like "conversion therapy"? Then sure, they're fair game. Otherwise outing someone who hasn't come out themselves is really unethical. (Even if "family members say X has come out to them as gay/lesbian/transgender", it's still not the person themselves saying it.)

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Response to w8liftinglady (Original post)

Tue Feb 17, 2015, 04:13 PM

12. Of course he has to come out first. We have NO IDEA what he is thinking or wants until then.

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