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Hekate

(90,202 posts)
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 04:43 PM Jun 2016

The Dem Party allowed Bernie to use its infrastructure, which he had NO part in building...

At niyad's request I am X-posting this from the original discussion in GDP:

Bernie Sanders Doesn’t Owe the Democratic Party a Damn Thing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512171445


The Dem Party allowed him to use its infrastructure, which he had NO part in building...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2171673

...and is worth millions of dollars to any candidate. He then proceeded to "bite the hand that fed him" throughout the campaign.

He failed to actually educate the folks who came to his rallies (how and when to register to vote, how to check their status, the importance of registering AS DEMOCRATS TO VOTE IN A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY) and then kept telling them the system was rigged and unfair when they had failed to comply with logical rules in place before they were born.

Initially I was glad to see him in the race. He and Hillary have voted together something like 93% of the time; did you know that? And she, not he, brought a Socialist health care plan before the Senate; did you know that? She also got crucified for it, and a lot of the canards against Hillary that are repeated today by BS supporters originated in the feverswamps of Right Wing strategy in those days.

The media gave Bernie every chance in the world. They never had a bad word to say about him, and you know why? Because they never took him seriously enough to even bother with basic journalistic research. It was an incredible blessing for Bernie. Every nasty question and innuendo that Andrea Mitchell lobbed at Hillary has a counterpart for Bernie -- but remained entirely unspoken.

As for the GOP candidates, their oppo file on Bernie has got to be mighty thick, and what they can't get from the Vermont newspapers they will simply pull out of their butts, because it's what they do. But have they? No, because they never took Bernie seriously either. They have expended all their considerable venom on Hillary Clinton, hoping to bring her down. In their fondest dreams the GOP wants to run against Bernie, a colorful, if angry, old man from a tiny state who's never ever been vetted by the mainstream media.

Instead, the GOP has to put up Tinyhands Trump against the woman with a spine of steel, a woman who has always made the men in that party clutch their delicate parts defensively.

Bernie "owes" the Democratic Party a helluva lot. Now let's see if he returns the favor in any measure at all by bringing his people over after a suitable period of mourning.

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The Dem Party allowed Bernie to use its infrastructure, which he had NO part in building... (Original Post) Hekate Jun 2016 OP
Valid point. Sort of like renting a building to get your business going but not ever paying the rent tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1
Half the people responding to me in that thread get it, and half don't Hekate Jun 2016 #3
Running as a Democrat, yet against the Democratic establishment shenmue Jun 2016 #2
And committing the sin of getting a huge amount of support from Democrats Warpy Jun 2016 #4
+1000 nt Mojorabbit Jun 2016 #35
Ironic post. tecelote Jun 2016 #5
Nope. Bernie is a soclialist Democrat, a polite word for plain 'ol socialist, Just ask him. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #6
Democratic Socialist. There's a difference. tecelote Jun 2016 #8
Surely you are kidding. FDR HATED socialists, it made him sick to have to meet with Stalin tonyt53 Jun 2016 #11
Democratic Socialist. tecelote Jun 2016 #16
I am well over 55 randr Jun 2016 #10
Democratic Socialist. n/t RazBerryBeret Jun 2016 #27
I am 60 and everyone I know was cheering him on. Mojorabbit Jun 2016 #36
Bernie is not a Democrat. He is a Socialist. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #7
Democratic Socialist. tecelote Jun 2016 #9
Wrong again. That is three strikes. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #12
What immoderate said. tecelote Jun 2016 #17
Word games! immoderate Jun 2016 #13
No. FDR tried to keep people like Bernie out of government Gomez163 Jun 2016 #15
Nonsense. Where would Bernie have sat on the "2nd Bill of Rights?" immoderate Jun 2016 #21
Bernie is for the government owning the means of production Gomez163 Jun 2016 #22
Where has he said that? immoderate Jun 2016 #23
Here ya go Gomez163 Jun 2016 #24
I don't see 'government ownership.' immoderate Jun 2016 #25
The best of what Democrats are is represented by the socialist programs randr Jun 2016 #14
The New Deal was a compromise to keep out Socialism Gomez163 Jun 2016 #18
Socialist programs that still define us as Americans randr Jun 2016 #19
the magna carta didn't do squat for democracy dlwickham Jun 2016 #32
And what do you call all the deals made to the Republicans in the 90's? randr Jun 2016 #20
Yas! TeacherB87 Jun 2016 #26
More beating a dead horse. HassleCat Jun 2016 #28
Good post. I have used the word "hubris" most this past couple libdem4life Jun 2016 #29
Without the New Deal/Great Society Trajan Jun 2016 #30
Democrat Party? dlwickham Jun 2016 #33
You're right. It's a sure giveaway. stopbush Jun 2016 #34
it is the Democratic party, thank you very much. reichwing labels and memes have no place here. niyad Jun 2016 #38
Sanders can call himself whatever he wants, stopbush Jun 2016 #31
off to greatest with you, with thanks!! niyad Jun 2016 #37
 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
1. Valid point. Sort of like renting a building to get your business going but not ever paying the rent
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 04:44 PM
Jun 2016

Warpy

(110,913 posts)
4. And committing the sin of getting a huge amount of support from Democrats
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jun 2016

Maybe the Democratic establishment should start asking just what they've been doing wrong.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
6. Nope. Bernie is a soclialist Democrat, a polite word for plain 'ol socialist, Just ask him.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 04:55 PM
Jun 2016

Big difference, and the reason that he would never carry most voters over the age of 55.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
11. Surely you are kidding. FDR HATED socialists, it made him sick to have to meet with Stalin
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 05:08 PM
Jun 2016

You are poorly informed about history or are falling for some lines that have been posted on here. FDR was a Democrat. it is disgusting for Bernie's supporters to try and latch onto the greatness of FDR in such a manner. Since you said, what other supposed socialist Democrat has been elected President of the US?

randr

(12,408 posts)
10. I am well over 55
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jun 2016

and most of my same age friends were all for Bernie. I should say I am in Colorado, the state that put Obama over the top in 08, at which state assembly I participated.
Bernie and the people who support him are much more aligned with Social Democracy in the FDR tradition. The ones who pushed the equal rights amendment, gave women the right to vote, created the much needed safety nets that allowed the middle class of America to come about, that fought for and won many battles to ensure we have safe drinking water and clean air. I could go on and an on.
The reason so many of us elder Democrats chose Bernie is that we know full well that the great progress of the "socialistic" programs starting with FDR and the long held majority of Democratic control of House and Senate ended in the 90's. We never trusted the "blue dogs" that stuck around after the Republican strategy stole the southern vote, yet we still prevailed. That is until one of our own made a deal with the bastards and we have been in deep shit since then.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
36. I am 60 and everyone I know was cheering him on.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:05 PM
Jun 2016

I suspect he would have done fine with my age group if he had won the nomination.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
13. Word games!
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 05:09 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie is an FDR type new dealer. He is a true democrat, as evidenced by his funding. His opponent is a corporate, neoliberal Democrat.

--imm

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
21. Nonsense. Where would Bernie have sat on the "2nd Bill of Rights?"
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 05:24 PM
Jun 2016

And where would Hillary be?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
The right of every family to a decent home;
The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
The right to a good education.

You are playing word games. Bernie has never posed anything more radical than FDR.

--imm

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
23. Where has he said that?
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 05:41 PM
Jun 2016

Are you the type of person who can't admit they're wrong? You seem to have gotten stuck in some 19th century socialism text. Modern socialism trends toward the workers owning the means of production. But Bernie is a social democrat, not a socialist.

Please provide some evidence for what you say.

--imm

randr

(12,408 posts)
14. The best of what Democrats are is represented by the socialist programs
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 05:09 PM
Jun 2016

that came out of the FDR years and the leadership of the greatest American President in history.
Just as the Republicans have forgotten their connection to Lincoln, I fear Democrats are losing their connection to what made them Democrats to begin with.

randr

(12,408 posts)
19. Socialist programs that still define us as Americans
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jun 2016

which are the most important changes to humankind in the entirety of our existence. Right up there with the Magna Carta.

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
32. the magna carta didn't do squat for democracy
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:33 PM
Jun 2016

it guaranteed the rights of the nobles in relationship to the crown

randr

(12,408 posts)
20. And what do you call all the deals made to the Republicans in the 90's?
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 05:22 PM
Jun 2016

Was Bill trying to keep out Radical Republicanism, or as it is commonly know--Fascism?
Something went quite wrong me thinks.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
28. More beating a dead horse.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:13 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary's triumph over Bernie must be quite the deal, since we see so many posts such as this one, explaining how Bernie lost because he deserved to lose, was never taken seriously, which contradicts the whole idea of a big dragon slaying. We surely see a lot of dancing on his corpse, considering nobody took him seriously. I guess we can disregard Donald Trump, too. After all, he's more Bernie than Bernie, someone who snuck in and stole the nomination from the regular party.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
29. Good post. I have used the word "hubris" most this past couple
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:21 PM
Jun 2016

of months than the rest of my life. Stunning.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
30. Without the New Deal/Great Society
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:24 PM
Jun 2016

The Democrat Party isn't shit ....

Sycophants for corporations, like the GOP before them ...

This is a break up ... A bad marriage ... There is no mourning ... There is steely eyed determination to maintain focus on the needs of the poor and middle classes, which Hillary supporters here have abandoned, en masse ....it's actually quite shameful ...

Don't you worry, Hekate ... You'll get some republicans to help you out ...

Hillary already said she doesn't need us, so what's your problem?

niyad

(112,440 posts)
38. it is the Democratic party, thank you very much. reichwing labels and memes have no place here.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:24 AM
Jun 2016

stopbush

(24,378 posts)
31. Sanders can call himself whatever he wants,
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jun 2016

and people can believe whatever they want about him.

But he lost the Democratic Party nomination for president, so what does it matter?

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