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Related: About this forumThe Dem Party allowed Bernie to use its infrastructure, which he had NO part in building...
At niyad's request I am X-posting this from the original discussion in GDP:
Bernie Sanders Doesnt Owe the Democratic Party a Damn Thing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512171445
The Dem Party allowed him to use its infrastructure, which he had NO part in building...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2171673
...and is worth millions of dollars to any candidate. He then proceeded to "bite the hand that fed him" throughout the campaign.
He failed to actually educate the folks who came to his rallies (how and when to register to vote, how to check their status, the importance of registering AS DEMOCRATS TO VOTE IN A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY) and then kept telling them the system was rigged and unfair when they had failed to comply with logical rules in place before they were born.
Initially I was glad to see him in the race. He and Hillary have voted together something like 93% of the time; did you know that? And she, not he, brought a Socialist health care plan before the Senate; did you know that? She also got crucified for it, and a lot of the canards against Hillary that are repeated today by BS supporters originated in the feverswamps of Right Wing strategy in those days.
The media gave Bernie every chance in the world. They never had a bad word to say about him, and you know why? Because they never took him seriously enough to even bother with basic journalistic research. It was an incredible blessing for Bernie. Every nasty question and innuendo that Andrea Mitchell lobbed at Hillary has a counterpart for Bernie -- but remained entirely unspoken.
As for the GOP candidates, their oppo file on Bernie has got to be mighty thick, and what they can't get from the Vermont newspapers they will simply pull out of their butts, because it's what they do. But have they? No, because they never took Bernie seriously either. They have expended all their considerable venom on Hillary Clinton, hoping to bring her down. In their fondest dreams the GOP wants to run against Bernie, a colorful, if angry, old man from a tiny state who's never ever been vetted by the mainstream media.
Instead, the GOP has to put up Tinyhands Trump against the woman with a spine of steel, a woman who has always made the men in that party clutch their delicate parts defensively.
Bernie "owes" the Democratic Party a helluva lot. Now let's see if he returns the favor in any measure at all by bringing his people over after a suitable period of mourning.
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tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Hekate
(90,202 posts)Interesting dynamic.
shenmue
(38,503 posts)Warpy
(110,913 posts)Maybe the Democratic establishment should start asking just what they've been doing wrong.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)tecelote
(5,122 posts)Bernie is the real Democrat.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Big difference, and the reason that he would never carry most voters over the age of 55.
tecelote
(5,122 posts)America has elected a Democratic Socialist President before. Many times.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/11/1499818/-America-has-elected-a-Democratic-Socialist-President-before-Many-times
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)You are poorly informed about history or are falling for some lines that have been posted on here. FDR was a Democrat. it is disgusting for Bernie's supporters to try and latch onto the greatness of FDR in such a manner. Since you said, what other supposed socialist Democrat has been elected President of the US?
tecelote
(5,122 posts)Please inform yourself.
Most are democratic socialists; just dont know it
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/presidential-campaign/268143-most-are-democratic-socialists-just-dont-know-it
randr
(12,408 posts)and most of my same age friends were all for Bernie. I should say I am in Colorado, the state that put Obama over the top in 08, at which state assembly I participated.
Bernie and the people who support him are much more aligned with Social Democracy in the FDR tradition. The ones who pushed the equal rights amendment, gave women the right to vote, created the much needed safety nets that allowed the middle class of America to come about, that fought for and won many battles to ensure we have safe drinking water and clean air. I could go on and an on.
The reason so many of us elder Democrats chose Bernie is that we know full well that the great progress of the "socialistic" programs starting with FDR and the long held majority of Democratic control of House and Senate ended in the 90's. We never trusted the "blue dogs" that stuck around after the Republican strategy stole the southern vote, yet we still prevailed. That is until one of our own made a deal with the bastards and we have been in deep shit since then.
RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)I suspect he would have done fine with my age group if he had won the nomination.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)tecelote
(5,122 posts)Left. Not center left or center. Left. A true D.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)tecelote
(5,122 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)Bernie is an FDR type new dealer. He is a true democrat, as evidenced by his funding. His opponent is a corporate, neoliberal Democrat.
--imm
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)And where would Hillary be?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights
Among these are:
The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
The right of every family to a decent home;
The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
The right to a good education.
You are playing word games. Bernie has never posed anything more radical than FDR.
--imm
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)Are you the type of person who can't admit they're wrong? You seem to have gotten stuck in some 19th century socialism text. Modern socialism trends toward the workers owning the means of production. But Bernie is a social democrat, not a socialist.
Please provide some evidence for what you say.
--imm
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)Mainly because it's not there.
--imm
randr
(12,408 posts)that came out of the FDR years and the leadership of the greatest American President in history.
Just as the Republicans have forgotten their connection to Lincoln, I fear Democrats are losing their connection to what made them Democrats to begin with.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)randr
(12,408 posts)which are the most important changes to humankind in the entirety of our existence. Right up there with the Magna Carta.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)it guaranteed the rights of the nobles in relationship to the crown
randr
(12,408 posts)Was Bill trying to keep out Radical Republicanism, or as it is commonly know--Fascism?
Something went quite wrong me thinks.
Ferosh
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Hillary's triumph over Bernie must be quite the deal, since we see so many posts such as this one, explaining how Bernie lost because he deserved to lose, was never taken seriously, which contradicts the whole idea of a big dragon slaying. We surely see a lot of dancing on his corpse, considering nobody took him seriously. I guess we can disregard Donald Trump, too. After all, he's more Bernie than Bernie, someone who snuck in and stole the nomination from the regular party.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)of months than the rest of my life. Stunning.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)The Democrat Party isn't shit ....
Sycophants for corporations, like the GOP before them ...
This is a break up ... A bad marriage ... There is no mourning ... There is steely eyed determination to maintain focus on the needs of the poor and middle classes, which Hillary supporters here have abandoned, en masse ....it's actually quite shameful ...
Don't you worry, Hekate ... You'll get some republicans to help you out ...
Hillary already said she doesn't need us, so what's your problem?
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)I only thought right wingers and trolls used that and not DEMOCRATIC Party
stopbush
(24,378 posts)niyad
(112,440 posts)stopbush
(24,378 posts)and people can believe whatever they want about him.
But he lost the Democratic Party nomination for president, so what does it matter?