Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumWhy Military Security Experts Know That Arming All Troops Is Not the Answer
The argument is intuitive enough for a political sound bite and, like many sound bites, does not hold up well under fact-checking. It reflects a basic misconception about the average military members proficiency with guns, and it flat-out misses the reality that armed-forces installations are not gun-free zones by any stretch of the imagination. Indeed, the military has fairly liberal guidelines empowering its commanders to arm members to defend themselves. Its just that those guidelines prioritize personal safety and the high likelihood of gun mishaps over statistically rare tragedies like the Chattanooga shooting.
http://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/military-bases-chattanooga-gun-free-over-arming/
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Will be right by to meme the experts.
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)recommended arming ALL the troops. Big difference between saying no troops may be armed and saying all troops must be armed. This is the problem when trying to discuss issues of gun violence; one side comes to the table with falsehoods and straw man arguments which prevents any honest discussion of the issues.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)To who is calling for ALL troops to be armed?
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)A lack of an answer is an answer in and of itself.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)which military experts were cited to come to the conclusion the headline claims. I read the entire article. I see one quote by a Special Forces operator claiming not every service member is a steely-eyed killer, which is true enough, but not what the headline claims. Then there are a lot of policy citations. It would be laughable if the OP asserted policy = expert advice so I don't think that is it.
Nowhere is there any military expert claiming that arming troops is a bad idea. No reason as to why that would be a bad idea is offered.
That article so absolutely relies on the gullibility of the reader it's rather insulting for it to be presented as serious discussion.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)If I had posted that
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)about the Chattanooga shooter purchasing his weapons on-line while failing to mention that they still had to go through a FFL who conducted a background check. Or that neither weapon was fully automatic. As noted above; it's hard to engage in an honest debate when one side does not observe honesty and good faith.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Yes, most are technicians, including me, who shoot at pop up or paper targets a couple of times of year. Guess what, that is exactly what most police departments do.
If it is such a terrible idea, why were Air Force finance and administration types handed rifles and expected to guard base infrastructure?
BTW, they are Bloomberg's creation. The Joyce Foundation are the same people who astro turfs Brady Campaign, VPC, and funds Hemenway's chair and department.
How well to they live up to their core values? Kind of reminds you of "fair and balanced" doesn't it?
http://www.thetrace.org/about-the-trace/
sarisataka
(18,220 posts)than the average professional mechanic is to race the Daytona 500"
but they are sent to asymmetric wars where there is no "rear area" and may find themselves under attack at anytime.
Does Bloomberg own every gun control organization now?
ileus
(15,396 posts)sarisataka
(18,220 posts)Elitism and politics
The elitism appeals to his ego. We saw he had no problem issuing Stasi- like orders to his "private army" when he ruled NYC. He seemed to take glee in his troops reminding dark skinned folk of their'proper place'. Was there ever one stop and frisk on Wall Street when billions were being stolen by men in suits?
It also supports his political position. He can target Democrats by attacking their gun control position. He gets Tea partiers elected to their seats while many Democrats cheer him on.
Check the results of the Arkansas and Alaska Senate elections last cycle.
benEzra
(12,148 posts)But if he senses that he may not have as much time left as he would like, he has little doubt about what would await him at a Judgment Day. Pointing to his work on gun safety, obesity and smoking cessation, he said with a grin: "I am telling you if there is a God, when I get to heaven Im not stopping to be interviewed. I am heading straight in. I have earned my place in heaven. Its not even close."
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/16/us/bloomberg-plans-a-50-million-challenge-to-the-nra.html
DonP
(6,185 posts)Now that's Karma.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)not every Marine, especially if they are not combat arms or assigned to a combat unit, get ongoing weapons training after they leave bootcamp. People forget that in the military, there are more admin and support types then there are trigger pullers.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)the exact same training as police departments, which is still less than many CCW holders pay for on their own. Chances are, they are better trained than the average Brinks driver.
No, embassy guards can be from any MOS, including electronics repair.
Also, Combat Camera are not viewed as "combat troops".
In the Air Force, and I'm certain the Marines and Army do as well, everyone does annual qualification and every one has to meet a higher standard than NYPD or Brinks. Also, infantry training and firearms training are two different things. Guarding a building does not require infantry training.
It looks like Bloomberg got bloggers from college or high school creative writing classes who don't know the basics of research, life in general, or even how to write well.
hack89
(39,171 posts)but they undergo special training and are constantly training with weapons. The annual qualification does not prepare anyone to actually use a firearm in a stressful system. I understand very well why the military is reluctant to arm recruiters.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)embassy duty is that they be 5'11" or taller.
Ever seen a "small" Marine as a embassy guard?
DonP
(6,185 posts)Combat arms MOS or not, and their typical bluster aside, I have no doubt pretty much any of them are capable of standing a watch that turns a "soft target" into a "not so soft" target.
I could see allowing the OIC and NCOIC to carry, at any installation without gated and armed security.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)Have some Marine friends, and work with a number of them as well. Of course the rest of your post is on target as well.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)There is a sound strategy short of arming all of the troops. Posting armed sentries. Herp.....a derp.....derp.....derp derp.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Eleanors38
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