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Sun May 6, 2018, 06:39 PM

Southern Baptist women ask for seminary president Paige Patterson to be fired for remarks

Women members of Southern Baptist churches are asking the board of trustees of the Southern Baptist Convention to remove Paige Patterson as president of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary over his comments and teaching about women.

Nearly 200 women, including at least a dozen from North Carolina, so far have signed a letter posted online over the weekend citing a video that has surfaced from a 2014 speech in which Patterson talks about a 16-year-old girl as being “fine,” and quotes a teenager as saying she is “built.” They letter also mentions Patterson’s refusal last week to repudiate comments from a recording made 18 years ago in which he said he would counsel most women in abusive marriages to stay in the marriages and pray for their husbands.

The recording has made the rounds several times over the years, but in the era of the #MeToo movement it is being judged in a different light. In it, Patterson said he often was asked how women should handle spousal abuse. He said he had never counseled anyone to seek a divorce and that he considered that always to be “wrong counsel.” He said that “all abuse is serious,” but that in cases where the abuse “was serious enough, dangerous enough, immoral enough,” would he counsel a couple to temporarily separate and seek help.

Patterson, 75, is a professor of theology and has been president at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas, since 2003, when he was elected by the Convention’s board of trustees. Before that, he served about a decade as leader of Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/state/north-carolina/article210597659.html

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 06:50 PM

1. so what does their bible say about women submitting to men? and Jesus say about

divorce?

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Sun May 6, 2018, 07:09 PM

3. Male translators have chosen 1 of several possible word translations. See articles at the Junia Proj

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Response to bobbieinok (Reply #3)

Mon May 7, 2018, 12:09 PM

9. Right.

Because the notion that women should submit to men would be totes out of place in the 1st century CE. The Romans and Greeks were known far and wide for their egalitarianism. Obviously a mistranslation.

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Sun May 6, 2018, 07:25 PM

5. Jesus allowed for a few exceptions to the general rule

that divorce and remarriage equals adultery. Physical abuse is not one of the exceptions. Therefore, a woman who leaves her abusive husband and remarries is an adulteress, by Jesus's definition.

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Mon May 7, 2018, 12:00 AM

7. Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord.

For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+5%3A22-23&version=NIV


A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+2%3A+11-12&version=NIV

Naturally all of this is metaphorical and can't be taken literally.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 07:01 PM

2. Page Patterson probably thinks a woman's place is in the stove

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Response to Cicada (Reply #2)

Sun May 6, 2018, 07:15 PM

4. After Paige became president, women students were shunted into a glorified HomeEc degree!

He fired one of the best, if not THE best, SBC Hebrew scholars because she was a woman. In his interpretation of the Bilble, women are NEVER permitted to teach men.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Sun May 6, 2018, 09:43 PM

6. I'm sure we'll see those 200 women..

leaving the Southern Baptist church, since they have shown that they include a large contingent of sexist pigs at the top. Well, on second thought, maybe not.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Mon May 7, 2018, 11:56 AM

8. 'We are shocked': More than 1,000 Southern Baptist women denounce leader's 'objectifying' comments,

Source: Washington Post

‘We are shocked’: More than 1,000 Southern Baptist women denounce leader’s ‘objectifying’ comments, advice to abused women

By Sarah Pulliam Bailey May 7 at 10:39 AM

ore than 1,000 Southern Baptist women have signed an open letter to the trustees of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary that says they are “grieved by the dangerous and unwise counsel” that the group’s president, Paige Patterson, has given by telling abused women not to divorce, and are shocked by his comments that “objectify a teenage girl.”

“These comments are damaging, sinful, and necessitate a decisive response,” the women wrote in a letter published Sunday afternoon.

These women, who include several influential writers and speakers, are not pushing theological boundaries within the Southern Baptist Convention. The letter says they affirm Southern Baptist views that only men are allowed to be pastors and that women are to submit themselves to their husbands.

Patterson, whose comments from 2000 went viral last weekend, doubled down on his remarks after the seminary’s commencement ceremony Friday, telling The Washington Post that he has nothing for which to apologize. He could not be reached immediately Sunday night for comment about the letter.

The women highlighted comments he made in a sermon in which he described a 16-year-old girl walking by, saying that “she was nice.” One young man commented, “Man, is she built.” A woman scolded him, and Patterson said he responded to the woman, “Ma’am, leave him alone. He’s just being biblical.” The audience laughed. In their letter, the women especially highlight the “inappropriate nature of his own observations of her body.”

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Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/05/07/we-are-shocked-hundreds-of-southern-baptist-women-denounce-leaders-objectifying-comments-advice-to-abused-women/

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