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grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 11:50 PM Jan 2018

German Court Calls Synagogue Torching An Act To 'Criticize Israel'

A regional court in Germany has decided that a brutal attempt to set fire to a local synagogue in 2014 was an act meant to express criticism against Israel’s conduct in its ongoing conflict with Hamas.

A German regional court in the city of Wuppertal affirmed a lower court decision last Friday stating that a violent attempt to burn the city’s Bergische Synagogue by three men in 2014 was a justified expression of criticism of Israel’s policies.

The original synagogue in Wuppertal was burned by Nazis during the Kristallnacht pogroms in 1938.

Wuppertal has a population of nearly 344,000 and is located in the state of North Rhine-Westphalia.

http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/German-court-calls-synagogue-torching-an-act-to-criticize-Israel-478330


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German Court Calls Synagogue Torching An Act To 'Criticize Israel' (Original Post) grossproffit Jan 2018 OP
Hate crimes against Jews do not count as hate crimes anymore. EllieBC Jan 2018 #1
I don't think that is true. Doodley Jan 2018 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Behind the Aegis Jan 2018 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Behind the Aegis Jan 2018 #4
They didn't have to say it. Behind the Aegis Jan 2018 #5
If you have any specific evidence that the men were motivated by hatred of Jews rather than anger Doodley Jan 2018 #7
They torched a synagogue. Behind the Aegis Jan 2018 #10
How about bombing Iraq and Afghanistan? Is that anti-Islam? You contradict yourself by saying Doodley Jan 2018 #11
You are confused. Behind the Aegis Jan 2018 #13
It was a local court, not the German government. The German government is not anti-Semitic. Doodley Jan 2018 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Behind the Aegis Jan 2018 #15
Do you know the German government's motivations? Behind the Aegis Jan 2018 #16
By your reasoning MosheFeingold Jan 2018 #17
Sure. We're just making it up. EllieBC Jan 2018 #6
I think you will find that Germans have a lot of interest in Middle Eastern issues. Doodley Jan 2018 #8
And what exactly does that have to do with collective punishment of Jews? EllieBC Jan 2018 #9
Who has said in this thread or in the report that antisemitism is okay? Doodley Jan 2018 #12
So the synagogue MosheFeingold Jan 2018 #18
Our party is rife with Jew hatred. Antisemitism is the last acceptable form of bigotry. grossproffit Jan 2018 #19

EllieBC

(2,961 posts)
1. Hate crimes against Jews do not count as hate crimes anymore.
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 11:52 PM
Jan 2018

We are the Not A Real Minority minority.

And coming from Germany? Not surprising.

Doodley

(8,976 posts)
2. I don't think that is true.
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:14 AM
Jan 2018

And I don't think the court said the incident was a "justified expression."

Response to Doodley (Reply #2)

Response to Doodley (Reply #2)

Behind the Aegis

(53,833 posts)
5. They didn't have to say it.
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 01:31 AM
Jan 2018

They litigated it. It is nothing more than a disgusting attempt to excuse anti-Semitism and conflate it with protesting Israel.

Doodley

(8,976 posts)
7. If you have any specific evidence that the men were motivated by hatred of Jews rather than anger
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 01:54 AM
Jan 2018

over Israel policy, please share it. By the way, I am married to a Jew and have spent time in Israel and make no excuses for antisemitism.

Behind the Aegis

(53,833 posts)
10. They torched a synagogue.
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 03:34 AM
Jan 2018

I don't give a shit about their "motivations", the act was anti-Semitic. PERIOD! It would be Islamophobic for some to torch a mosque and claim "it was a statement against ISIL." I also don't care who "some of your best friends are" as that is irrelevant.

Doodley

(8,976 posts)
11. How about bombing Iraq and Afghanistan? Is that anti-Islam? You contradict yourself by saying
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 05:38 AM
Jan 2018

you don't care about what their motivations are, because it seems you are claiming you know what their motivation is. Explain HOW you know?

Behind the Aegis

(53,833 posts)
13. You are confused.
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 06:06 AM
Jan 2018

A synagogue in GERMANY is not Israel! So, no, I didn't contradict myself at all. You, however, did. You claimed you weren't making excuses, yet you are. They may be anti-Semites who also hate Israel. Then, they would be anti-Semites. However, their act, bombing a synagogue because they were "protesting Israel", is an anti-Semitic ACT. The German government conflating protesting Israel with acts which are anti-Semitic, IS anti-Semitic! Had they had firebombed an Israeli restaurant or the Israeli embassy, it could be motivated by anti-Semitism as well, but there would be a burden of proof that the ACT was anti-Semitic because of the motivation.

How about bombing Iraq and Afghanistan? Is that anti-Islam?


No, but it could be. Now, YOU answer a few questions...

"Is firebombing a mosque to "protest the events of 9-11" Islamophobic?"

"Is firebombing a gay bar to "protest 'gay marriage'" homophobic?"

"Is firebombing an AME Church to "protest the concept of affirmative action" racist?"


You seem to fail to grasp the point...the motivation isn't the issue, the ACT is!

Response to Doodley (Reply #14)

Behind the Aegis

(53,833 posts)
16. Do you know the German government's motivations?
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 06:49 AM
Jan 2018

If not, then how can you say they aren't? A local court is a part of the German government. You care to answer the questions asked of you?

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
17. By your reasoning
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 04:08 PM
Jan 2018

I guess I can go burn down a Lutheran Church because Martin Luther's screed "Of Jews and Their Lies" was a direct blueprint for the Shoa, down to the "work" camps.

After all, it makes as much sense as randomly attacking non-Israeli Jews for something Israel did.

Doodley

(8,976 posts)
8. I think you will find that Germans have a lot of interest in Middle Eastern issues.
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 02:06 AM
Jan 2018

Take for example their policy of accepting refugees from Syria. Do you see Trump opening our doors to asylum seekers?

EllieBC

(2,961 posts)
9. And what exactly does that have to do with collective punishment of Jews?
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 02:43 AM
Jan 2018

Oh right. It has nothing to do with it. There's always an excuse when Jews are harassed anywhere. Oh, must be anger over Israel.

Btw this is the Jewish group and we don't play "antisemitism is ok because antizionism is cool".

Doodley

(8,976 posts)
12. Who has said in this thread or in the report that antisemitism is okay?
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 05:47 AM
Jan 2018

When Israel launches missiles at Palestine or Syria, do you say that is an anti-Islam attack?

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
18. So the synagogue
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 04:12 PM
Jan 2018

Was filled with terrorists who were plotting the destruction of Germans?

We get it. You don't like Jews. Sadly, many liberals are like you these days. Can't you go be a Trumper?

David Duke is kind of a socialist, to the extent he ever says anything cognizant. That's left and antisemitic. Maybe he'd work out for you.

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