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Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:24 PM

 

Martin O'Malley needs to drop out now and endorse Bernie Sanders

Apologies to the O'Malley fans, but to be blunt he can't win period. The latest CBS/NY Times national poll was Clinton 48, Sanders 41, and O'Malley 2. Nearly all his votes would go to Sanders, which is desperately needed in such a tight race.

Then there's the debates. Bernie's message would be much better projected if it were just one-on-one with Hillary. O'Malley seems to go after Bernie a lot more than Hillary in the debates.

Please, Martin O'Malley. Do the right thing and endorse Sanders!

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Reply Martin O'Malley needs to drop out now and endorse Bernie Sanders (Original post)
Reter Jan 2016 OP
Blue_Adept Jan 2016 #1
Maedhros Jan 2016 #27
KittyWampus Jan 2016 #43
Reter Jan 2016 #47
libdem4life Jan 2016 #41
cali Jan 2016 #2
John Poet Jan 2016 #31
loyalsister Jan 2016 #40
PyaarRevolution Jan 2016 #3
bigtree Jan 2016 #4
Punkingal Jan 2016 #5
Scootaloo Jan 2016 #6
NCTraveler Jan 2016 #7
JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #15
StevieM Jan 2016 #8
HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #38
StevieM Jan 2016 #39
HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #42
fleur-de-lisa Jan 2016 #9
Babel_17 Jan 2016 #10
FSogol Jan 2016 #17
pugetres Jan 2016 #11
FSogol Jan 2016 #18
tblue37 Jan 2016 #46
4139 Jan 2016 #12
elleng Jan 2016 #13
stone space Jan 2016 #14
FSogol Jan 2016 #16
DavidDvorkin Jan 2016 #19
bigwillq Jan 2016 #20
DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #21
Peacetrain Jan 2016 #22
Agschmid Jan 2016 #23
HereSince1628 Jan 2016 #24
restorefreedom Jan 2016 #25
demwing Jan 2016 #33
zappaman Jan 2016 #26
emulatorloo Jan 2016 #28
Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #29
anigbrowl Jan 2016 #30
demwing Jan 2016 #32
restorefreedom Jan 2016 #36
JRLeft Jan 2016 #34
one_voice Jan 2016 #35
RFKHumphreyObama Jan 2016 #37
saltpoint Jan 2016 #44
winter is coming Jan 2016 #45

Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:26 PM

1. It's all for the greater good!

Get on the Bernie train or be dragged through the mud, vilified and pilloried!

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:04 PM

27. The OP did not drag O'Malley through the mud, did not vilify him, and did not pillory him.

 

Your post is needlessly confrontational, inaccurate, and unnecessary. Perhaps you should re-assess your posting strategies?

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:34 PM

43. Right, the OP just totally disrespected O'Malley and is supporters

 

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #43)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 02:26 PM

47. How is it disrespecting to him or his supporters?

 

I like him, but he can't win and takes away more votes from Bernie than Hillary. Should Pataki have stayed in the GOP race?

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:29 PM

41. Good lord. Really.

 

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:27 PM

2. Disagree. He's worked hard for months.

 

I see no reason why he should drop out before Iowa

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Response to cali (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:22 PM

31. Agreed. O'Malley should have his fair shot with the

 

actual voters, of Iowa and New Hampshire at least. Maybe Nevada and South Carolina too.

Sure, an endorsement of Bernie would be nice,
but I don't necessarily see that happening.

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Response to cali (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:28 PM

40. He definitely has

It will be good for us to get to know him more via primaries. I think he would be a great VP for Bernie.

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:28 PM

3. Are we watching the same debates?

I remember him HAMMERING Clinton about to back Glass Steigel.

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:28 PM

4. when he's good and ready

...he's no flack for Bernie or anyone else.

Martin O'Malley is running for president and is asking for voter's support. Be sure and watch him on the debate stage Sunday with the other two leading candidates in our party.


Martin O'Malley ‏@MartinOMalley
#GOPDebate was ultimate #TBT. If you think we can do better, need new leadership to build on @POTUS' progress visit: http://martinomalley.com/join

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:30 PM

5. No, he should stay in the race. He's a good man who deserves to be heard.

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:30 PM

6. No, he doesn't

 

C'mon, we can wait until after NH to see where it goes, right?

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:32 PM

7. The party is stronger every time O'Malley speaks.

 

He should have a podium at the debates.

I don't agree your thoughts are "the right thing."

I also think O'Malley is more in line with Clinton than Sanders.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:40 PM

15. Depends which day you compare to her positions i suppose.

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:33 PM

8. There's no evidence that O'Malley voters would go disproportionately--let alone entirely--to Sanders

And you don't know that O'Malley would prefer Sanders to Clinton. Maybe he honestly prefers Clinton between the two.

And I hardly think it is fair to say that endorsing one candidate or the other is the "right thing to do." People endorse based on who they want to win, based on their own beliefs and preferences. Everyone is entitled to their own endorsement, just as everyone is entitled to their own vote.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:14 PM

38. PPP just did a poll showing exactly that

 

https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/687999697034833924

43% of O'Malley's supporters in Iowa would choose Bernie as their second choice while only 20% would choose Clinton.

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Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #38)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:21 PM

39. There are a couple problems with your assessment.

First, that is only one state, and a caucus state at that. It doesn't speak to the later contests. In 2008 Edwards was believed to have hurt Obama more in Iowa, but Clinton more in New Hampshire and South Carolina.

Second, that is a 23 point margin, or the equivalent of 61.35 to 38.5 for Sanders. The person I was responding to suggested that virtually all O'Malley voters would go to Sanders.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #39)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:32 PM

42. Well, considering Iowa is the only state O'Malley is campaigning in

 

I'd say that makes it relevant. It's also the state where he polls the highest (5% max).

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:33 PM

9. Nope, too early to tell anyone to bow out. eom

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:34 PM

10. He and his supporters will do what they see as the right thing

Governor O'Malley got in it so as to offer both himself and his message. People might not be swarming to support him but that doesn't mean he needs to stay quiet. Opponents can drop out for a multitude of reasons, there was Tsongas, and there was Hart. O'Malley is acceptable to the party and could take the lead in a two person race.

Let things run their course. I say this as a Sanders supporter who would welcome his endorsement of Sanders.

If the writing is on the wall after this upcoming debate, and the next round of polling, then it's possible O'Malley will think about dropping out. Endorsements are another matter.

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Response to Babel_17 (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 02:15 PM

17. +1 Well said. n/t

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:35 PM

11. He needs to stay.

 

He's a good man with good ideas and the debates are better when he can share his ideas.

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Response to pugetres (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 02:15 PM

18. Thanks. I agree. n/t

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Response to pugetres (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 12:45 PM

46. +1. nt

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:36 PM

12. No, still a long time till New Hampshire

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:36 PM

13. and his job is to see to it that Bernie's message is better projected?

How about Bernie, hrc, and the electorate learn about Martin O'Malley's message, and his PLANS, many of which have already been adopted by Bernie and hrc without attribution, in spite of the fact the Dem ptb, and the msm, don't want anyone to know about him.

For everyone's information:

15 Goals to Rebuild the American Dream
https://martinomalley.com/category/15-goals/

Addiction treatment and prevention
https://martinomalley.com/policy/addiction-treatment-and-prevention/

Criminal Justice Reform
https://martinomalley.com/policy/criminal-justice/

Making College Debt Free for all Americans
https://martinomalley.com/policy/make-college-debt-free/

Holding Wall Street Accountable
https://14d2r744okfe40r1ug1oqm6y-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/OMalley-Wall-Street-Reform.pdf

Expanding Social Security
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/expanding-social-security/

Homeland Security
https://martinomalley.com/vision/homeland-security/

Immigration
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/immigration/

National Service
https://martinomalley.com/national-service/

Environment
https://martinomalley.com/climate/iowa/
https://martinomalley.com/climate/
https://martinomalley.com/climate/agenda/

Foreign Policy
https://martinomalley.com/policy/truman-national-security/

Gun Reform
https://martinomalley.com/policy/preventing-and-reducing-gun-violence/

Trade Policy
https://martinomalley.com/policy/trade-policy/

Campaign Finance Reform (Restoring our American Democracy)
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/restoring-our-american-democracy/

Why We Need a Constitutional Amendment to Secure the Right to Vote:
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/news/right-to-vote/

Veterans and Military Families
https://martinomalley.com/policy/veterans/

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:38 PM

14. Like hell he does.

 

O'Malley needs to stay in the race and continue to push the other candidates to the left.

I want my candidate to come out unequivocally against corporate legal givaways to gun manufacturers.

O'Malley's voice on this issue is hugely important for that to happen.

I also appreaciate greatly his voice on immigration issues.

He needs to stay in the race, no matter what the outcome of my state's caucus is on Feb 1.



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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 02:14 PM

16. Of course, everyone should exist to promote your preferred candidate!

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 02:20 PM

19. Nope. The other way around.

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 02:40 PM

20. No

 

At least not before any primaries are held. Let the people decide first.

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 02:45 PM

21. I stand with MOM and his right to be heard./nt

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 03:37 PM

22. No!!!!!!!

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 03:41 PM

23. No.

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 06:23 PM

24. O'Malley isn't hurting either of the others' chances

IA's system is already built to deal with low support; he'll have to prove viability to win any delegates in IA.

So in places where he doesn't reach viability his supporters have to make another choice.

It's his chance to run for what he believes. Let him run until he doesn't want to anymore.

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:00 PM

25. i don't think anyone should drop out before votes are cast.

unless they want to. bernie's future does not ride on martin's choices, but rather his own campaigning and message. he has serious momentum now, and clinton is having big time trouble. lets get through some early states, and i am sure any candidate getting few votes at that point on either side has options to reassess.

martin brings an important progressive voice to this fight. the more people pounding the authentic progressive message the better, imo.

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:45 PM

33. Agreed, the more progressive voices, the better

 

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:02 PM

26. No, he doesn't. n/t

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:05 PM

28. O'Malley hammers both Sanders and Clinton. Hard to know which way his supporters will go.

He is his own man, and the decision is up to him.

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:12 PM

29. Unfortunately I have to agree

He's had his changes. He's a good man, deserves respect but....

He doesn't have a chance at this point

If he really wants to support a Progressive - Liberal Agenda, it's time to drop out and not embarrass himself in Iowa.

Leave with dignity



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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:17 PM

30. Other people need to do what I want so I can be happy

 

Invoking the spectre of an objective external necessity is a manipulative propaganda tactic, but it needed to be said.

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:42 PM

32. IMO, the man should try to finish what he's worked for

 

for himself and for his supporters. I think he should stay as long as he sees a path to whatever goal he's pursuing

As far as the debates go, I'm convinced that having another candidate on the stage - saying the same thing as Bernie - helps Bernie. The two of them in tandem, but not in cahoots, makes Hillary look old school and out of touch.

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Response to demwing (Reply #32)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:07 PM

36. agree about the message and hillary

also, to drop out before the first contest would be a huge disappointment to supporters. if one has to, then fine, but if he doesn't, no reason to disappoint people who are looking forward to voting for him.

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:49 PM

34. No he doesn't. There hasn't been an election. He should

 

drop out whenever he feels like it.

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:01 PM

35. Staying in is the right thing...

What's best for your candidate isn't O'Malley's concern. What's best for the country is.

He's a good candidate, with outstanding policy ideas. He belongs in the this race. Too many have tried to make this Hillary v Bernie, they've done their damndest to push him out. Leave him be and let him be heard.

Go O'Malley!!!

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:45 PM

37. O'Malley campaigned for Clinton in 2008

Even when Maryland went for Obama in the primaries, O'Malley still reiterated his commitment and support for the Clinton campaign..

There is nothing in O'Malley's record to suggest that he is hostile to the Clinton campaign or that he prefers Sanders over Clinton. in fact I'd argue the opposite, that O'Malley's politics and ideology are much closer to Clinton's than they are to Sanders

There's also no evidence that O'Malley's supporters would somehow magically flock over to Sanders if he withdrew. In fact I'd suggest that much of this support comes from Democratic voting blocs who aren't enthusiastic about Clinton but consider Sanders too far left to be a viable alternative. I suspect if he withdrew, most of them would go over to Clinton

O'Malley is not obligated to be at the beck and call of your favourite candidate. And if he does withdraw and his supporters are freed from their commitment to him, I suspect you might not like whom he endorses or where his supporters go

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 01:14 AM

44. Disagree. I believe O'Malley should

remain in the race as long as he can.

I like having our three true and intelligent public servants on our debate stage while the Republicans load their stage with psychofascists.

A very strong contrast may be made. Martin O'Malley has helped make it.

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Sat Jan 16, 2016, 03:02 AM

45. There's no need for O'Malley to drop out right now and endorse Sanders.

I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to drop out after a few primaries unless his numbers go up, but there's no need for him to do it now. Can't say I see much benefit accruing to Sanders, even if he did drop out, since O'Malley already tends to get the short end of the stick with respect to debate time.

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