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whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:17 PM Jan 2016

Fuck acquiescing to Hillary's Hail Mary!

What's the urgency? Honestly, what does Hilteam expect to gain from this? Barring a revelation, it won't substantially move numbers, so all I can think is that it's a ploy to embarrass Sanders. Are these really the kind of people we want running the country?

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Fuck acquiescing to Hillary's Hail Mary! (Original Post) whatchamacallit Jan 2016 OP
If she's that good of a visionary, why didn't she Jarqui Jan 2016 #1
Guess she still thought she had it in the bag whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #2
I'm afraid to ask, but I'll ask anyway: What's she up to now? arcane1 Jan 2016 #3
Cancel the next two debates. To do it effectively, she needs SBS to betray his DNC promise too! nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #9
It serves two purposes DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #4
If SBS is pressured, DWS can cancel the next debates before South Carolina. TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #11
Incomming... n/t hootinholler Jan 2016 #5
Well, she's MIA in Iowa at present due to appearing before her mega donors...or so they say. libdem4life Jan 2016 #6
I got hidden for cussing. I'd be careful if I were you. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #7
Just for having an expletive in your post? whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #8
Or two, but yep... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #10
You really believe cursing is why that was hidden? one_voice Jan 2016 #16
According to this, yes... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #18
But that's not the only reason.. one_voice Jan 2016 #23
How about you bold the attack itself. I said nothing about the DUer who posted the OP, only... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #24
No. I'm not going to debate that with you. one_voice Jan 2016 #25
Yea, that's what I figured.... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #27
Ok. I originally asked if you thought cursing was.. one_voice Jan 2016 #34
No, the cursing was a knee-jerk response to a post... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #38
All Bernie supporters are targets now. Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #28
Yea, I know exactly what you mean. If it weren't true that there are 10 times more Bernie... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #30
I got one hidden earlier today but I more or less expected it Fumesucker Jan 2016 #32
Sometimes it's worth it. frylock Jan 2016 #35
Haha whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #37
IMO the optics for Hillary are terrible. It all seems so desperate. nt snagglepuss Jan 2016 #12
Agree. whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #13
Desperate, self-serving, flat-out sleazy. Yeah, HRC, we see you. polichick Jan 2016 #29
i agree with you. Punkingal Jan 2016 #14
:) whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #26
It's just cover DINO Debbie Downer. 99Forever Jan 2016 #15
Exactly, it's a ploy to embarrass Bernie, but it's making Hillary and DWS look CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #17
For months now we've heard from you all about how corrupt the DNC BainsBane Jan 2016 #19
No, it's y'all doing the 180 whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #20
Hillary Clinton wants to break the rules because she believes it will help her. Bernie has no... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #21
In a nutshell whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #22
Sounds like last time Mnpaul Jan 2016 #33
These are the visionaries that want to run the country.. frylock Jan 2016 #36
Exactly. There is nothing more to be said anyway. thereismore Jan 2016 #31
Point whatchamacallit Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #39

Jarqui

(10,110 posts)
1. If she's that good of a visionary, why didn't she
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:19 PM
Jan 2016

arrange this months ago when Sanders was calling for it?

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
4. It serves two purposes
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:25 PM
Jan 2016

One is to embarrass Sanders, the other is to make it appear that there is a "riff" between DWS and the Clinton Campaign so combat the (factually true) narrative that the DNC has its thumb on the scale for Hillary.

TheBlackAdder

(28,076 posts)
11. If SBS is pressured, DWS can cancel the next debates before South Carolina.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 07:02 PM
Jan 2016

.


The whole thing seems to rely on SBS being pressured to break a promise, showing he is untrustworthy too!


Then the DNC can cancel future debates, since HRC does poorly in them, shining in staged forums.


This is to delegitimize SBS, showing that he's just like the rest of them.


===


If Sanders is the only one who refuses unsanction debates, and HRC & MOM goes though with theirs, will the authoritarian DWS kick HRC & MOM out of the two debates?


If DWS does kick HRC & MOM out, can there be debates, or will they get canceled too?



I am certain that SBS will not be giving the stage alone to run a Q&A forum, since he didn't break his word.


.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
18. According to this, yes...
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 07:50 PM
Jan 2016

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: One of your posts has been hidden by a DU Jury

Mail Message
On Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:28 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

FUCKING WRONG! Bernie is asking DWS to SANCTION MORE DEBATES! Get it fucking RIGHT!!!`
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1077534

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Personal attack and an over abundance of vulgarity to boot.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:35 PM, and voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Over the top, rude, offensive; the list of negatives r/t post are long.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agreed. Over the top vulgarity reeks of inability for rational discourse [font color="red"]This is a personal attack on me from the jury.)[/font].
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The language is vulgar, no doubt, but I don't see where it's a genuinely "personal attack."
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The alerter has it just about right.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not out out of bounds
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Chill out, Berniebots!

Looks like a couple of mean cuss words that described the CONTENT OF THE OP and not the OP themselves. There was no personal attack. And it was no more over the top than the lie and false accusation that was being perpetrated in that OP.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
23. But that's not the only reason..
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 08:24 PM
Jan 2016

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: One of your posts has been hidden by a DU Jury

Mail Message
On Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:28 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

FUCKING WRONG! Bernie is asking DWS to SANCTION MORE DEBATES! Get it fucking RIGHT!!!`
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1077534

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Personal attack and an over abundance of vulgarity to boot.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:35 PM, and voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Over the top, rude, offensive; the list of negatives r/t post are long.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agreed. Over the top vulgarity reeks of inability for rational discourse This is a personal attack on me from the jury.).
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The language is vulgar, no doubt, but I don't see where it's a genuinely "personal attack."
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The alerter has it just about right. this would include the personal attack part
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not out out of bounds
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Chill out, Berniebots!

Looks like a couple of mean cuss words that described the CONTENT OF THE OP and not the OP themselves. There was no personal attack. And it was no more over the top than the lie and false accusation that was being perpetrated in that OP.


The language doesn't bother me. I curse like a drunken sailor. The personal attack stood out to me, which was the reason for my question.

Anyway. I doubt we'll agree on this.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
24. How about you bold the attack itself. I said nothing about the DUer who posted the OP, only...
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 08:27 PM
Jan 2016

...the content of the post itself.

So, go ahead and bold the personal attack part of my post.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
34. Ok. I originally asked if you thought cursing was..
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:06 PM
Jan 2016

why you thought this was hidden.

I was wrong to infer that cursing had nothing to do with the hide. Go ahead and get a screenshot of that. It played a part, but it's not just cuz you used curse words--at least in my opinion.

Here's what *I* think. I don't think curse words alone-in most cases-will get a hide. Believe me I've dropped a ton of f-bombs in a lot of combos.

What would have led me to hide this is the cursing was directed at the other poster in an very aggressive manner. Repeatedly. You basically cursed her out--for lack of a better word/phrase

I'm sure you won't agree, but there's your answer. You asked, I've answered.

edited because I screwed up...a lot.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
38. No, the cursing was a knee-jerk response to a post...
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:22 PM
Jan 2016

...that was dishonest and unfair and attempted to propagate a lie and a false accusation. My words and ire was carefully directed at the message, not the messenger. Hell, I never even looked at the posters nick before responding. That sort of devious, deliberate, deceitful misrepresentation of a good man was completely out of line and over the top. But do you see me alerting? Perhaps I should and use the same excuse my alerter did to get me hidden. Who knows, maybe I'll bet a Bernie-heavy jury to get it done.

Thanks for coming back to this, btw.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
28. All Bernie supporters are targets now.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 08:35 PM
Jan 2016

I got sloppy and have two hidden at the moment. I keep having to put the Hillary supporters on Ignore because I keep allowing myself to get sucked into their taunting. Stupid move on my part. If I can't see them they can't rile me.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
30. Yea, I know exactly what you mean. If it weren't true that there are 10 times more Bernie...
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 08:42 PM
Jan 2016

...people here than Hillary people, I would probably quietly fade away from DU. But when we win, this place will be ours for at least four years. So, I'll stick around and try to be more careful while AGGRESSIVELY calling out the BS when I see it.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
15. It's just cover DINO Debbie Downer.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 07:31 PM
Jan 2016

Nothing more, nothing less.

Doesn't matter. That freakin' loser is toast anyway.

CharlotteVale

(2,717 posts)
17. Exactly, it's a ploy to embarrass Bernie, but it's making Hillary and DWS look
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 07:40 PM
Jan 2016

ridiculous since Hillary is the reason there are only 6 sanctioned debates in the first place and now she's trying to have it both ways. No, they definitely aren't the kind of petty, untrustworthy people I want running the country.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
19. For months now we've heard from you all about how corrupt the DNC
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 07:51 PM
Jan 2016

is for not having more debates. Yet now, as soon as Bernie changes his mind, you do a complete about face. Now you don't want debates, claim they are a sign of desperation, on and on.

Bernie sent you all out rallying against the DNC. He ratched up anger toward the DNC and used it for fundraising, and you all fell for it hook, line and sinker. Even right after the debate schedule was announced, O'Malley tried to organize additional debates but Bernie didn't go for it. You all ignored that and kept complaining about the DNC being unfair to Bernie by not having more debates. Now you turn on a dime, with no shame whatsoever.

We have seen this on one issue after another: guns, drones, immigration--anything Bernie says is gospel, including his criticism of Civil Rights groups.

Clearly the only thing many care about is Bernie's career. That is not a principle or a cause. No revolution is about one man, except for a "revolution" that exists only as a campaign slogan.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
20. No, it's y'all doing the 180
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 07:57 PM
Jan 2016

I really don't care if Bernie does the debate. I do care if the corrupt a-holes who created this mess try to put him over a barrel. Now that you've suddenly found your democratic spirit, you need to convince the shill head of the DNC to embarrass herself and sanction the debate for you.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
21. Hillary Clinton wants to break the rules because she believes it will help her. Bernie has no...
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 08:03 PM
Jan 2016

...obligation to attend a debate that is formed solely for the purpose of attempting to benefit Hillary? On the other hand, DWS could sanction the event and Bernie will be there. But when she does, it's a tacit admission that Hillary needs the help and that the DNC is controlled by Hillary, not DWS. Personally, I love those optics better than no debate.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
33. Sounds like last time
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 08:59 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary snubbed the party and stayed on the ballot in Michigan. This is just another reason why I can't stand the Clintons, they think the rules don't apply to them.

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