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Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:23 PM Jan 2016

Does an image of the AARP mailer exist anywhere on the internet?

I have seen a lot of outrage over a Bernie mailer that supposedly included the AARP logo, but so far I have yet to see anyone post an image of this mailer.

If an image of this mailer exists anywhere on the internet please post it so we can all judge it for ourselves.

If on the other hand this ad is so rare that not one person can even find an image of it then please explain to me how an ad that no one can even see could lead people to believe the AARP has endorsed Bernie.

Thank you.

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Does an image of the AARP mailer exist anywhere on the internet? (Original Post) Bjorn Against Jan 2016 OP
I couldn't find any picture. Which makes me think it is a Rovian rat fuck. PatrickforO Jan 2016 #1
Oh Dear God Armstead Jan 2016 #5
"Rovian ratfuck" might just be one of the greatest terms I've seen on this forum. VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #6
Could be that or a Brockian ratfuck. He's a pretty experienced right wing rat fucker. morningfog Jan 2016 #8
Yeah, AARP is "part of the plan." Please. MADem Jan 2016 #12
Where did they use the logo? Bjorn Against Jan 2016 #16
They used it on a MAILER. It's not an "ad." MADem Jan 2016 #34
When did campaign mailers stop being a form of advertising? Bjorn Against Jan 2016 #38
It's highly targeted--it's not a magazine, newspaper or TV/radio ad. nt MADem Jan 2016 #39
You do realize that there are more types of ads than the ones you listed don't you? Bjorn Against Jan 2016 #40
You better inform the US Postal Service that mailers are not a form of advertising Bjorn Against Jan 2016 #44
Now you're just being churlish. It's TARGETED advertising. MADem Jan 2016 #46
You felt the need to correct me and say it was not an ad Bjorn Against Jan 2016 #48
It's not an "ad" in the sense of those that are issued to the general public MADem Jan 2016 #50
You are splitting hairs Bjorn Against Jan 2016 #52
No, I am not--but glad you're so easily amused. MADem Jan 2016 #54
AARP does NOT back single payer because they make money by selling insurance policies Skwmom Jan 2016 #37
Wow. Right under my nose and I didn't see it. Wilms Jan 2016 #42
I've thought AARP were assholes for years, and I've said as much here. MADem Jan 2016 #43
Brockian jfern Jan 2016 #24
Here you go 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #2
But I still don't see the AARP logo Kalidurga Jan 2016 #4
Presumably on a different but equally bogus mailer? n/t winter is coming Jan 2016 #29
They aren't very good at this. Kalidurga Jan 2016 #61
I've been looking. Kalidurga Jan 2016 #3
That is my first question. Where is a picture of the mailer? morningfog Jan 2016 #7
No and if you go to that link that they are posting it is BOGUS! jillan Jan 2016 #9
I haven't find one anywhere. Newsweek claims that they have an image Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #10
Hmm. It's almost as if a SuperPAC has been shopping negative info winter is coming Jan 2016 #19
One with a particularly Orwellian name jfern Jan 2016 #26
I haven't seen "a lot of outrage." I've seen a story that says AARP asked Sanders' MADem Jan 2016 #11
A pattern is starting to emerge here. nt Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #13
I have to agree with you on that score!!! nt MADem Jan 2016 #14
You do realize that the dispute with the Culinary Union has been resolved? Bjorn Against Jan 2016 #15
Resolved? They were caught and called out. MADem Jan 2016 #23
Please post an image of the mailer Bjorn Against Jan 2016 #31
Why are you "supposed to get upset?" MADem Jan 2016 #49
How do you know the ad implied an affiliation? Bjorn Against Jan 2016 #51
Really? I guess AARP told him to stop using it for savage amusement, then? MADem Jan 2016 #56
If they are guilty show us the proof Bjorn Against Jan 2016 #58
Here's the proof--Weaver hasn't held a combative press conference or MADem Jan 2016 #64
I guess you haven't been reading DU for the last few hours then. n/t ljm2002 Jan 2016 #17
I'm reading a lot of aggrieved crying about a mailer. MADem Jan 2016 #30
Obviously, AARP made the whole thing up. They're part of the big conspiracy. DanTex Jan 2016 #18
So can you provide us with the image? Bjorn Against Jan 2016 #20
I have an AARP press release. Obviously, they could be lying just to smear Bernie. DanTex Jan 2016 #25
But that link is bogus. Try to add a comment & see what happens. jillan Jan 2016 #27
Seems to be working for me... DanTex Jan 2016 #28
Or maybe they never saw a mailer but were told about it by someone. Who knows? morningfog Jan 2016 #33
It's not an "ad." It's a mailer--addressed to likely voters. MADem Jan 2016 #32
Campaign mailers are a type of advertising Bjorn Against Jan 2016 #35
Well, maybe one of the IA Sanders supporters will do that. nt MADem Jan 2016 #36
Or a recipient, a complainant or, maybe AARP? morningfog Jan 2016 #41
Why would AARP re-promulgate an image they demanded he stop using? MADem Jan 2016 #45
The AARP site is heavily populated with images of most of the presidential candidates. morningfog Jan 2016 #47
Do you seriously think they told him to "stop" based on hearsay? MADem Jan 2016 #53
I saw that one. I'm just waiting for the same to appear for AARP. morningfog Jan 2016 #55
It's going to have to come from a recipient of the mailer, I think. MADem Jan 2016 #57
Newsweek claims to have, or to have seen, a copy. morningfog Jan 2016 #59
AARP has told Sanders to stop using it. Only a recipient is likely to put it out. nt MADem Jan 2016 #63
I don't know what happened. Did AARP actually see a Sanders mailers with its logo? morningfog Jan 2016 #22
I don't get snail mail from the campaign Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #21
So no factual evidence as of yet. We're going based upon a statement by AARP. Who tipped them? frylock Jan 2016 #60
using the search field, I am finding the statement of the Sanders issue on both of your links passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #62

PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
1. I couldn't find any picture. Which makes me think it is a Rovian rat fuck.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:26 PM
Jan 2016

Here...check out my RAT. Isn't he cool? I love this rat!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
12. Yeah, AARP is "part of the plan." Please.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:39 PM
Jan 2016

AARP doesn't endorse candidates, so Big Fail. They didn't go after Bernie to be MEAN to him. They went after him because he was using their logo and they wanted him to stop doing that.

Further, the whole "rat fuck" meme has to do with the r-a-t in "Democrat....so by posting your ugly little rat pic, you're in essence insulting all of us here who are Democrats.



Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
16. Where did they use the logo?
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:48 PM
Jan 2016

Please present us with the image of the ad with the logo so we can judge it for yourselves.

Thank you.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
34. They used it on a MAILER. It's not an "ad."
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:35 AM
Jan 2016

I'm not a Sanders supporter--he hasn't sent me anything. Yet. If his people got my states' database when they broke into the files, I may be hearing from him soon. We'll see.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
46. Now you're just being churlish. It's TARGETED advertising.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:58 AM
Jan 2016

DIRECT mail. It's not going out over the airwaves, or published in a paper for anyone to see. They have a pretty good idea who their audience is for this kind of thing. I'll bet most of the recipients of that mailer were over sixty five.

They aren't sending this stuff to children and Trump supporters. It's going to Sanders enthusiasts, or people they think they can 'turn,' to try and get out the vote.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
48. You felt the need to correct me and say it was not an ad
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:03 AM
Jan 2016

Now you seem to acknowledge you were wrong however as you admit it is targeted ADvertising.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
50. It's not an "ad" in the sense of those that are issued to the general public
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:07 AM
Jan 2016

in an effort to catch one's eye and persuade.

It wasn't plastered on the side of buses or on billboards.

It was mailed to likely voters as a GOTV tool. It's a distinction and a difference.

You can call it a Big Fig if you'd like--it was still wrong, what Sanders' people did.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
52. You are splitting hairs
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:15 AM
Jan 2016

You chose to correct me because I called an ad an ad, now you are twisting yourself in knots trying to say that a direct advertising mailer is not an ad.

Keep it up, you are providing me some good laughs tonight.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
54. No, I am not--but glad you're so easily amused.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:18 AM
Jan 2016

Bottom line--someone took something that didn't belong to them.

AGAIN.

If you find that 'funny' and worthy of a laugh, well, yuck it up!

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
37. AARP does NOT back single payer because they make money by selling insurance policies
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:38 AM
Jan 2016

to their members. Isn't it great how they look out for their elderly membership.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
43. I've thought AARP were assholes for years, and I've said as much here.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:51 AM
Jan 2016

That said, their 'assholishness' doesn't give a campaign a "RIGHT" to steal their logo or misrepresent that organization as supporting one particular candidate when they don't 'do' endorsements.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
61. They aren't very good at this.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:51 AM
Jan 2016

Whereas Bernie's team destroyed Hillary's campaign within either 45 minutes or 2 hours of data access according to team Hillary.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
3. I've been looking.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:27 PM
Jan 2016

Haven't found it. I tried to ask about it at that site that is linked to the response to Bernie's team, but it's not taking messages.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
9. No and if you go to that link that they are posting it is BOGUS!
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:31 PM
Jan 2016

Here is the link they are posting. http://states.aarp.org/aarp-statement-in-response-to-sanders-mailing/?intcmp=DSO-LOGIN

Try to leave a comment and see what happens AND speaking of comments, notice how many comments there are on such a scandalous event.

Then go to AARP.org
Search for States - click on Iowa.
NOTHING! Not one word.

Total bullshit.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
11. I haven't seen "a lot of outrage." I've seen a story that says AARP asked Sanders'
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:34 PM
Jan 2016

campaign to stop using their logo. I don't particularly care for AARP as an organization, but I doubt that they are lying.

http://www.newsweek.com/sanders-complaints-iowa-nevada-420806

Senator Bernie Sanders has built his insurgent presidential bid around being Mr. Clean, but several outside groups are now accusing his campaign of playing dirty.

Sanders’s campaign in Iowa has included League of Conservation Voters and AARP logos in recent mailers it’s sent to prospective caucusgoers, a subtle effort to tie himself to those groups, if not implying an endorsement. But neither group has backed him. The AARP, which represents retirees, does not endorse candidates, and the League of Conservative Voters, an environmental advocacy group, is supporting Sanders’s Democratic foe, Hillary Clinton.

And now news has broken of what is potentially an even more bald-faced deception, in Nevada, where Sanders supporters have reportedly been posing as members of Las Vegas’s powerful Culinary Workers Union
Local 226 to try to rally labor support ahead of the state’s Democratic caucuses on February 20.
[/blockquote


That last deception is particularly egregious. Sanders is not being well served by his staff. They take things that don't belong to them, and they misrepresent themselves. That's pretty low conduct. They aren't helping their candidate.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
15. You do realize that the dispute with the Culinary Union has been resolved?
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:45 PM
Jan 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511086159

Now has anyone seen the AARP ad or not? If not then why would it matter if AARP's logo is on an ad that no one has seen?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
23. Resolved? They were caught and called out.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:23 AM
Jan 2016

Do you seriously think AARP is "lying" about this mailer?

Obviously, there WAS a mailer. It wasn't an "ad" it was a mailer sent to identified people on a mailing list.

AARP doesn't endorse candidates--any candidates--and they demanded that Sanders stop distributing that thing.

I am shocked at this double-down agression...AARP isn't lying, and this has nothing to do with any candidate EXCEPT Sanders.

As for the flyer, surely some Sanders supporter from IA has received this thing in their mailbox....

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
31. Please post an image of the mailer
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:30 AM
Jan 2016

If we are supposed to get upset over the use of a logo we should at least be able to see the context in which the logo appeared.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
49. Why are you "supposed to get upset?"
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:05 AM
Jan 2016

Here's what happened.

The Sanders crew used an image that they weren't authorized to use, which created an association--an 'implied affiliation'--that did not exist.

Actually, they did this more than once--with AARP and LCV.

The agencies with rights to the logos called them out and told them to stop using the logos, and they did.

If you want to see the logo and how it was used, ya know who has it? The SANDERS campaign. They created it, they sent it out, and they got caught/called out because of it.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
51. How do you know the ad implied an affiliation?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:09 AM
Jan 2016

The presence of a logo does not automatically imply an affiliation. I don't think it is too much to ask to see the ad before we judge it.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
56. Really? I guess AARP told him to stop using it for savage amusement, then?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:20 AM
Jan 2016

And that rabid Weaver didn't come out spitting and swinging ... why?

I think because they a) Are guilty and b) Got caught.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
58. If they are guilty show us the proof
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:22 AM
Jan 2016

I am sure not going to declare guilt without even seeing the most basic of evidence, if you are willing to do so it says a lot about you.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
64. Here's the proof--Weaver hasn't held a combative press conference or
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:29 AM
Jan 2016

issued an aggressive press release.

I am going to "declare guilt" because I don't think AARP--who aren't endorsing ANYONE--made this up just to be mean to Bernie.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
30. I'm reading a lot of aggrieved crying about a mailer.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:29 AM
Jan 2016

Clearly, the campaign misappropriated a couple of logos and got caught. I don't think LCV and AARP are "inventing" these Cease And Desist demands to be 'mean to Bernie.' All of this "Well, let's SEE it!!" demands are just strange--unless people think that LCV and AARP are inventing this imbroglio because Bernie is being 'victimized' by them. And anyone who does think that is not thinking clearly, IMO.

This, and the theft of data, and the infiltration of the union through deceit, does nothing to burnish the reputation of the campaign for honesty.

Sanders has some "anything to win" subordinates. They're not serving him well.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
20. So can you provide us with the image?
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:54 PM
Jan 2016

If I am supposed to get upset over this ad then I should at least be able to see what I am supposed to get upset over.

I hate to break it to you Dan but asking for evidence does not make a person a conspiracy theorist.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
25. I have an AARP press release. Obviously, they could be lying just to smear Bernie.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:24 AM
Jan 2016

Or maybe their press release person went rogue and just started typing at random. Who knows?

jillan

(39,451 posts)
27. But that link is bogus. Try to add a comment & see what happens.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:26 AM
Jan 2016

Then Go to Aarp.org and then go to Iowa and try to find it.

It's not there.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
32. It's not an "ad." It's a mailer--addressed to likely voters.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:33 AM
Jan 2016

No one is demanding that you get "upset" but you should be aware that your candidate (well, his people--but he gets the credit, and takes the blame) misappropriated two logos and used deceptive tactics to gain access to union workers.

Oh, and they swiped data too--and fired three people after they got caught.

Sanders' staff are willing to do anything to win, even cheat.

They don't behave well at all.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
35. Campaign mailers are a type of advertising
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:37 AM
Jan 2016

They are not difficult to scan and put on the internet either.

It is not unreasonable to ask to see the ad and judge the context in which the logo was used for ourselves.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
45. Why would AARP re-promulgate an image they demanded he stop using?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:53 AM
Jan 2016

Makes no sense. You're going to have to get it from a Sandernista.

AARP told him "Stop using our shit." They're not going to wave it around further--the idea is to STOP publishing the association, not putting it out on the net for further distribution.

smh!

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
47. The AARP site is heavily populated with images of most of the presidential candidates.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:59 AM
Jan 2016

The statement presents the issue as fact. But, were they given a copy or just told about it?

All I'm asking is for proof. It doesn't have to come from AARP, but surely someone out there can confirm this happened. Sanders, to my knowledge, hasn't commented on it.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
53. Do you seriously think they told him to "stop" based on hearsay?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:17 AM
Jan 2016

I don't, and I think it defies logic if anyone believes that was the case.

Frankly, if it didn't happen, I doubt that "Shrinking Violet" Weaver would sit back and not challenge Newsweek on their reporting. There'd have been an angry tweet out quicker than you could say "Misuse of a Logo."

There's a lovely image of the LCV misuse, here--the AARP one will show up eventually, I'm sure....

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/28/1476430/-Bernie-s-Campaign-In-Deep-Now

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
55. I saw that one. I'm just waiting for the same to appear for AARP.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:20 AM
Jan 2016

They should not have included the logo, but the text was accurate.

I the AARP mailer exists, it will make it to the internet. It hasn't yet.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
57. It's going to have to come from a recipient of the mailer, I think.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:22 AM
Jan 2016

The campaign has been told to stop using it--so they can't publish it again.

AARP doesn't want to further promulgate any false idea of an association.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
22. I don't know what happened. Did AARP actually see a Sanders mailers with its logo?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:22 AM
Jan 2016

Or were they told and then released the statement?

I, too, doubt that AARP "made the whole thing up." But so far, no evidence has been produced that it actually happened.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
21. I don't get snail mail from the campaign
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 11:59 PM
Jan 2016

but I have 2 email accounts and get emails everyday from different sources with the campaign and I've never seen ANY logos in the emails. I've never even thought about them sending out mailers, I guess they do, but I get the impression they'd much rather do emails, just because it's more cost effective.

I'd also like to see a copy of this "mailer."

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
62. using the search field, I am finding the statement of the Sanders issue on both of your links
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:15 AM
Jan 2016

I think this is legit. I too want to see the mailer. It is supposedly a picture of AARP members supporting social security, wearing red t-shirts with an AARP logo on them. I think AARPs issue is with Sander's campaign even using their name, the logo and with the group affiliated with AARP.

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