Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member


(1,772 posts)
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 07:10 PM Jan 2016

Even if Clinton loses Iowa it will be narrowly and can be explained away by "young white liberals"

Seems that Iowa will NOT be her Waterloo.

New Hampshire - can be easily explained

After that it's South Carolina, Nevada, and then Super Tuesday. Is Sanders leading in any one of these states (other than Vermont)?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
1. She was supposed to be inevitable, and she supposedly possesses Michael Jordan-like political skills
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 07:12 PM
Jan 2016

so much so, that we would be FOOLS not to nominate her for the general, right?

Cuz she's such a strong candidate.

So what happened with that?


(50,986 posts)
2. She may prevail. Sanders may prevail.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 07:13 PM
Jan 2016

Outside odds on O'Malley.

Selzer's results suggests a close race.


(9,253 posts)
3. If she loses the first two contests, no amount of spinning will keep Sanders
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 07:16 PM
Jan 2016

from picking up momentum. The Dem establishment may be able to Mondale her through, but there's no guarantee.


(10,565 posts)
5. Mondale was the last Democrat that ran in the GE on raising taxes
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 07:48 PM
Jan 2016

He won one state-his home state of MN


(9,253 posts)
6. Mondale was proposing tax increases to deal with the Reagan deficits. While
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 07:54 PM
Jan 2016

not a bad idea, he never had a chance against Reagan, proposed tax increase or no proposed tax increase. Sanders' tax increase, OTOH, is targeted in a way that could very possibly win him votes rather than lose them. Sanders knows it's worth paying for good government. His task is to make the case to the American people. The benefits the American people will receive from single payer give him a good chance of succeeding.


(10,565 posts)
7. Might work in the primary
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 08:32 PM
Jan 2016

Not in the GE-with video saying he will raise taxes. Your key word is "could". It "would" be put into heavy rotation by the Republicans. They don't care what the truth is. He gave them a huge gift. If he wins the nomination that will come back to haunt him. I voted for Mondale- I went along with it. It was a huge mistake. I'm a lifelong Democrat. I don't want a Republican in the White House. Hopefully Bernie will have a better way to pitch himself if he wins the nomination.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
9. ... assuming an average number of first-time caucus-goers turn out.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 09:13 PM
Jan 2016

So it's all about turn out, as both sides have been saying this week.


(34,825 posts)
8. Whatever gets you through the night..
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 09:11 PM
Jan 2016

I can't imagine Sunday morning talk shows on the teevee are going to be very good for Hillary. Lotsa talk about sliding polls and classified emails.


(8,976 posts)
10. I'll recycle this:
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jan 2016

Boy-I hope you got a warranty

on the motor moving the goal posts...

Not a single state

Maybe close in New Hampshire

OK-but NH is it

OK NH and Close in Iowa

Maybe just those two

But it's not a real win unless he takes both by 10%

Any thing less than a 40 point win in both and he's done

How long before it has to be unanimous and must include all three Clintons voting???


(42,862 posts)
11. Have you SEEN the map & the leads that Hillary has throughout the rest of the country? It's amazing!
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:22 PM
Jan 2016

On Super Tuesday, it will be abundantly clear how this is going to end up. Before the end of March, Bernie will have no option other than to suspend his campaign, or withdraw, or graciously concede and endorse Hillary.

Won't that be a glorious day? Then we can all go back to being friends again.



(1,772 posts)
12. he could
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:24 PM
Jan 2016

probably hang on until the convention, although the results will be apparent much earlier


(42,862 posts)
13. You're correct about that! His choice will be a clear indication of what his priorities are.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:39 PM
Jan 2016

Will he be focused more on reality and the unified effort that will be needed to defeat Trump? Or will he be more interested in "other" things? (which I'm hesitant to characterize or describe here for obvious reasons.)


John Poet

(2,510 posts)
14. "Other things" like allowing his supporters all across the country
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 04:08 PM
Jan 2016

their chance to actually VOTE?

I will be urging Sanders to stay in the race, at least until the June primaries,
regardless of how many he's winning or losing.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Even if Clinton loses Iow...