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Fri Feb 5, 2016, 06:07 PM

 

Consider this: you have Hillary, the most qualified candidate ever vs Bernie, the

...democratic socialist.

An outsider, with no understanding of the current political currents, would say: The extreme lefty better chill out and move to the center if he has any hope of toppling Goliath.

But we know that that's not what's happening, because we are cognizant of a Paradigm shift. From the very beginning, every single person, poster, and pundit UNDERSTOOD that it was Hillary who was going to have to start sounding a lot more like the (extreme or not) lefty, or she was going to be swept out to sea by the undertow.

That's all you need to know. Rejecting this, you'll continue to swat at false narratives like Don Quixote.

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Reply Consider this: you have Hillary, the most qualified candidate ever vs Bernie, the (Original post)
WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 OP
juxtaposed Feb 2016 #1
RKP5637 Feb 2016 #3
juxtaposed Feb 2016 #6
Glamrock Feb 2016 #8
RKP5637 Feb 2016 #17
RKP5637 Feb 2016 #2
Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #4
immoderate Feb 2016 #5
Punkingal Feb 2016 #7
Glamrock Feb 2016 #11
WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #12
Glamrock Feb 2016 #14
Bernin4U Feb 2016 #15
Hiraeth Feb 2016 #16
earthshine Feb 2016 #9
mhatrw Feb 2016 #10
last1standing Feb 2016 #13

Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Original post)

Fri Feb 5, 2016, 06:11 PM

1. I find bernie not the extreme left, about were I am would be good. FDR all the way!

 

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Response to juxtaposed (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 5, 2016, 06:14 PM

3. Same here, I see nothing at all extreme left about Bernie. He represents to me what this country

should be about. Just a peak at the wealth distribution in the country lets one know how F'ed we currently are it's so severely skewed to extreme wealth. It's absurd.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 5, 2016, 06:50 PM

6. it's the pie, They never show the pie... from what it was to what it is today? Wealth should

 

be shown as a big happy pie, with slices taken from it.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 5, 2016, 07:06 PM

8. In today's political climate

He is the extreme left. Any candidate that wants tax dollars to fund elections and help the middle class is extreme. Ask Chuck Todd or Chris Matthews. Apparently, working with Republicans to slowly chip away at the social safety net, voting rights, SS, etc. is the middle . Haven't figured out who might encompass the extreme right though (as far as the beltway is concerned). As far as I can tell, there is no extreme right. However, the facade is rapidly falling apart. The people are starting to notice the scam. Amazing that we, the proletariat, could see this coming. but the establishment couldn't. 'Tis fucking beee-yoo-tiful.


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Response to Glamrock (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 5, 2016, 09:48 PM

17. More and more people are FINALLY waking up to the ripoff that's been called equality for several

decades now. Much of "The Establishment" rhetoric is falling on death ears now. It's time to bring out the pitch forks and torches, and run "The Establishment" out of DC.

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Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Original post)

Fri Feb 5, 2016, 06:11 PM

2. Yep, there's a level of outrage that is topping the old establishments. Millions and millions of

people are fed up with it all. 2016 will be quite revealing. I've been fed up with it for several decades, It's great to see it coming to a head. Although, the 2016 results could be frightening.

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Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Original post)

Fri Feb 5, 2016, 06:16 PM

4. I'm left of Bernie n/t

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Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Original post)

Fri Feb 5, 2016, 06:36 PM

5. The system has been gamed to the breaking points. And the strain is beginning to show.

 



--imm

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Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Original post)

Fri Feb 5, 2016, 06:53 PM

7. Personally, I don't think she is the most qualified candidate ever

And I really get tired of hearing that all the time.

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 5, 2016, 08:19 PM

11. She's not the most qualified candidate ever.

She is, however, the most qualified non-VP candidate ever. You may not like her or support her, but it is the truth. She's been the FLOTUS, a Senator, a SoS, and 2x presidential candidate. She has also been a huge fundraiser for the Democratic party and a pretty tireless champion for women around the world. She has a very, very impressive resume. Period. I just don't believe it's her time for the following reasons.

1) She's the establishment candidate in an anti-establishment election. (She can claim being a woman excludes her from the establishment all she wants. That ain't gonna fly with anyone but her die hard supporters.)
2) The perception that she'll say anything to get elected.
3) Some of her past non progressive actions/votes were big ones in the eyes of progressives. Not easily forgiven or forgotten. (I.E. Iraq war, TPP)
4) A negative favorability with the American people.
5) Her ties to Wall street. We can argue all day long about the ethics and/or impropriety of it. Those ties bind and it is/will hurt her. Especially, with Bernie making Wall street a central theme in his campaign.
6) Almost 20 years of baggage. Most of it is complete bullshit and everyone here knows it. Regardless, it is in the minds of the body politic. Voters believe it.
7) The perception that she hasn't been a leader in regard to progressive causes, but rather a follower. (Gay marriage, Keystone pipeline, etc.) Which is somewhat true, but unfair considering most politicians do this. She's being held to a different standard, imo, but the voters don't see it that way.

But. regardless of the problems I see with her as the candidate, she is the most qualified non-VP candidate in a long time.

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Response to Glamrock (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 5, 2016, 09:03 PM

12. She's Goliath. But she moved to her comfort zone: being defensive

 

Hillary let's us know time and again that her greatest quality is her defense. She's been in so many storms and she's fought off all the attacks, and "Look at me, I'm still standing and ready for more!"

That's not leadership.

For the first time, she has the upper hand. She's Goliath. The war can finally be fought on her terms. But she kept drifting and drifting from her spot, closer to bedrock, Bernie Sanders. Bernie's demonstrating leadership, here, and she's finding she's fighting on his terms and, as a result, been doing what she does best: play defense.

Her supporters want to make her "defensiveness" all about sexism, but she never fought the fight on her terms, she fought it on someone else's terms. That was her decision.

Stupid.

Because she moves away (flips and flops) from her past positions, Hillary reminds me of that guy who gets caught in a lie, and on the fly has to make up another lie to cover up the first, and so on...

It doesn't look "presidential."

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Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 5, 2016, 09:16 PM

14. I agree

You know the political tactic of triangulation which worked so well for them in the 90's is what's killing her now.

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Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 5, 2016, 09:18 PM

15. Exactamundo. Plus, the Party's attempts

...at gaming the system have only made her look weaker. Instead of propping her up and making her stronger, it looks more like a crutch, if not outright cheat. And only reinforces her reputation off being manipulative, if not deceitful.

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 5, 2016, 09:21 PM

16. Amen sister. Mind if I sit beside you? I brought popcorn -

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Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Original post)

Fri Feb 5, 2016, 07:23 PM

9. She is "over" qualified.

 

Her so-called vast experience is another way of saying she has cozy relationships with the existing establishment. This is exactly what Bernie supporters want to vote against.

My dislike of Hillary has to do with who she is, and her complex past. It has nothing to do with Bernie.

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Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Original post)

Fri Feb 5, 2016, 07:59 PM

10. If she wins the nomination, I will be giving Clinton my "qualified" support.

Only because I'm almost certain that her nomination will result in total Repuke control of all our federal branches of government.

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Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Original post)

Fri Feb 5, 2016, 09:07 PM

13. I'll agree she's about as qualified as Henry Kissinger is.

So if you're looking for a blood thirsty warhawk who has pushed for battle in every single situation that was ever presented to her, NoHope Hillary is "qualified."

If you'd rather have a president who doesn't go around bombing brown people because they look scary, then you should vote for Bernie, the candidate with the experience, knowledge, and judgment to be president.

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