2016 Postmortem
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Charles Koch offered Bernie Sanders an endorsement of sorts Friday, writing that he agrees with the leftwing Democratic presidential candidate on issues of corporate welfare and criminal justice reform.The worst fascist republican billionaire ENDORSES Bernie!!!
Why do you think that is Bernie fans???
Bernie fans are being set up for a fall BIGTIME!
The KOCH BROS are trying to help BERNIE SANDERS get the democratic nomination!
Billionaire Charles Koch: I agree with Sanders politics are set up to help the privileged few
Jamiles Lartey, The Guardian JAMILES LARTEY, THE GUARDIAN
19 FEB 2016 AT 23:04 ET
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/billionaire-charles-koch-i-agree-with-sanders-politics-are-set-up-to-help-the-privileged-few/comments/#disqus
Alfresco
(1,698 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Politics are NOT set up to help the one percent. Phew! What a relief!
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Turns out no one give a fuck about Charles Koch.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)and hope that people don't read the entire article. Misleading headlines are SOOOOO effective!!
ladjf
(17,320 posts)his recent statement agreeing with Senator Sanders. Only time will tell. But, if his strategy was to cause Bernie to win the nomination, it will have been the worst calculation he has ever made because Bernie would likely defeat any Republican candidate and as President would be a serious "thorn in the side" of the oligarchs, which includes him.
It was most definitely a "stunner".
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Theirs is not a miscalculation. Like the Republicans who will caucus for Bernie today, they are doing everything they can to make sure that Bernie gets the nomination.
Think about that. There is no way that anyone can twist this into supporting the meme that Bernie will win in November.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)See post #38.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)I'd wager that hundreds of DUers (at least) are 'smarter' than the Kochs.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)It's not the millions that they got, it's what they did with it. They took those millions and they built a business empire worth billions.
They are currently the most powerful donors in the Republican party and they will personally make the difference in a number of races because of all the power ($$$ and smarts) that they wield.
If a DUer has a comparable record, please post.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)also, growing their daddy's petroleum empire in the 20th century wasn't a particularly remarkable feat. So again, if you think that being born filthy rich is a mark of intelligence you are seriously confused. Also I really feel sorry for you and your system of values that reads the power of money in such a way.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)They are Gods. Wise people worship them. Sanders is the dust under their feet.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)too bad you disagree with him on it
djean111
(14,255 posts)that Bernie is wrong about the reason why. Bernie says it is greed, Koch says it is out of care for the poor.
Koch is counting on low reading comprehension and/or a tendency to either swallow a headline whole, with no further reading, or hope that others do that.
Fail. Read the article. If you still think Koch is endorsing Bernie, the material is somewhat over your head.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Why?
Why do they want to see Bernie defeat Hillary?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)By pretending to say nice things about him, they are trying to get Democrats to turn on him. Which is what you are trying to accomplish, it seems to me.
And I think Hillary represents those groups a lot more, by universes, than Bernie ever would.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)is if they are running against Bernie.
There is no other reason a full on fascist right wing billionaire who bankrolled the damned tea party like Koch would say nice things about "revolutionary socialist" Bernie Sanders!
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)if you believe anything that comes from Koch .
shawn703
(2,702 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Your interpretation of the Koch Brothers comments as to saying they want Bernie to be nominated, or the corporate media that says that Bernie is THE MORE ELECTABLE against Republicans in recent polls measuring him against these Republicans?
They both want the same outcome for a corporatist supporting Republican or Democrat to win, which would mean that both of those entities would WANT someone like Hillary or a Republican to win. So one of them seems to be playing reverse psychology here. What else would explain it.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)If they are trying to turn Dems away from Bernie, wouldn't tens of millions of anti Bernie ads be more effective than one newspaper article?
The Kochs will spend hundreds of millions against Dem candidates this year. Why not against Bernie and why not now, before Super Tuesday?
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Bernie and his supporters do.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)And address the issue about what the Kochs are doing.
Don't get into specifics, and if faced with some facts that question the Bernie memes, resort to the universal Bernie meme of condescending, generalized responses that anyone who disagrees just doesn't get it. It's just too much for our naive corrupted minds to understand. We are incapable of understanding what the deep and true meaning of The Revolution is.
Maybe if someone explained how any of this will ever get past the Republican-controlled Congress (besides "The People' will make it happen" , maybe we'd give Bernie's wish list a second look.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Bernie has not been working WITH the Kochs at all!
Nice try to try and promote their comments to try to do a reverse psychology play that the Kochs are trying to use.
Bernie is the only candidate that hasn't been working with Koch money or influence on his campaign, unlike the Clintons!
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Here's the Koch's ideas of real play: Spend $1 billion dollars in ads and staffing thousands of door-to-door canvassing squads to devastate the Democrats.
The Kochs are not into parlor game 'reverse psychology.' They are into directly destroying Democratic opponents. And they believe they can much more easily destroy Bernie in the general than Hillary. So they are pumping Bernie up to demolish him in the general.
That's about as direct as it gets.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)But then again, Ann Coulter, who said she wants the Republicans to face Hillary Clinton rather than Bernie I guess could also be trying to do reverse psychology too. Or why wouldn't she just be brutally honest like you claim the Kochs are here.
Bottom line is that we shouldn't be trusting anything that the right wing says, or for that matter be careful who we trust with the corporate media, who are working more to help their corporate buddies than the average American too.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)I am hoping that it is good exercise to keep rolling my eyes.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)In form of a Giant Bus to run Democrats over with.
H2O Man
(73,333 posts)cluck-cluck-cluck
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)you all REFUSE to see it!
The worst hardcore republican right wing billionaire in the country wants Bernie to defeat Hillary!!
What possible reason could the Koch bros have for doing this when they are 1000% against everything Bernie Sanders stands for???
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)and realise you are taking that slime balls word for gospel . You are free to listen to anyone but if you get your info from a Koch treat it as a lie ...that is what thinking people do .
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)you all will find out the reason.
After a bloodbath for the dems we will have a President Trump or Cruz and total republican controlled government.
Oh and a reich wing packed SCOTUS for a generation as well.
I would GTFO of here then if only I had the means.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)What can I say .....
H2O Man
(73,333 posts)always tell the truth. Always.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Or the original statement at all. But what the hell, right: it's a caucus day, so everybody should just make up whatever they want about whatever candidate they want.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)of the Kochs not knowing what they're doing. They know the country's politics are rigged, but they like it that way. They aren't stupid like most of their party's followers. They'll spend whichever amount of money it takes to fund candidates and propositions that are more favorable to their own pocketbooks.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)many of them won't get it. They will blame it on some kind of conspiracy and it will be one of sorts, one of Sanders supporters own making.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)This outcome wasn't hard to predict and in fact I predicted it . . .
frylock
(34,825 posts)malletgirl02
(1,523 posts)You call Bernie supporters rubes, and you complain about the so called Bernie bros?
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Chapter 21-Omaha
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016139460
frylock
(34,825 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Here's a sample of what the Republican strategy would be:
- Demoralize Democrats from voting for Hillary through a barrage of ads emphasizing Hillary's dishonesty and corruption. Make her untouchable to people who value honesty and integrity.
- Rile up Republicans to unite against Hillary, including emphasizing Obama and Hillary "helped terrorists" through bad judgement that "led to ISIS", and that Hillary jeopardizes U.S. security, as proven when she used her private email account instead of a government secured account, as well as Benghazi of course.
They will play this a lot:
Republicans will win because Democratic voter turnout will be depressed while Republican turnout will be record highs after 8 years of Obama.
As one of the conservative movement leaders and co-founder of the Heritage Foundation, Paul Weyrich, said:
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...for his right-wing idea that the government should stop spending money on the poor.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)malletgirl02
(1,523 posts)Article from the Guardian:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/19/charles-koch-bernie-sanders-economy-criminal-justice
If you read the article you can find the truth that the Kochs are not Bernie Sanders supporters.
Sanders has been an ardent critic of the Kochs for years, frequently invoking them in speeches about income inequality, corporate greed and campaign finance reform. The claim that the Koch brothers planned $900m of expenditures in the 2016 election is more than the Democratic or Republican parties will spend has been a standard part of Sanders stump speech on the campaign trail.
As he campaigns for the Democratic nomination for president, Koch writes, Sanders often sounds like hes running as much against me as he is the other candidates.
But the column was not a true endorsement by any measure. At this point you may be asking yourself, Is Charles Koch feeling the Bern? the billionaire wrote. Hardly.
Koch went on to rail against federal programs like the war on poverty. A bigger, more controlling, more complex and costlier federal government leaves the disadvantaged less likely to improve their lives, Koch said.
Sanders, as a democratic socialist, has proposed dramatically ramping up federal spending on domestic programs for jobs, education, housing and poverty alleviation.