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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:30 PM Feb 2016

Billionaire Charles Koch: I agree with Sanders

Charles Koch offered Bernie Sanders an endorsement of sorts Friday, writing that he agrees with the leftwing Democratic presidential candidate on issues of corporate welfare and criminal justice reform.

The worst fascist republican billionaire ENDORSES Bernie!!!

Why do you think that is Bernie fans???

Bernie fans are being set up for a fall BIGTIME!

The KOCH BROS are trying to help BERNIE SANDERS get the democratic nomination!

Billionaire Charles Koch: I agree with Sanders — politics are set up to ‘help the privileged few’
Jamiles Lartey, The Guardian JAMILES LARTEY, THE GUARDIAN
19 FEB 2016 AT 23:04 ET

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/billionaire-charles-koch-i-agree-with-sanders-politics-are-set-up-to-help-the-privileged-few/comments/#disqus
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Billionaire Charles Koch: I agree with Sanders (Original Post) workinclasszero Feb 2016 OP
Koch is feeling the bernie. :-) Alfresco Feb 2016 #1
I'm glad to see you disagree with Koch. HassleCat Feb 2016 #2
Watching you guys feebly try to make hay out of this is a hoot whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #3
This was posted as an attempted hit on Sanders yesterday. Didn't work then either. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2016 #4
yes, keep recycling the trash dana_b Feb 2016 #40
I have no idea what Charles Koch's intentions are with regard to ladjf Feb 2016 #5
Politically, the Koch brothers are sharks and they are smarter than you or me or anyone else at DU. kstewart33 Feb 2016 #16
But are they smarter than Bernie? nt ladjf Feb 2016 #29
Kinda. kstewart33 Feb 2016 #39
But are they smarter than Bernie? nt ladjf Feb 2016 #31
Where did u get the idea that inherited wealth equals being smart? kristopher Feb 2016 #33
Millions into billions and great political power. kstewart33 Feb 2016 #38
So they are like Trump? kristopher Feb 2016 #42
Another insult, another post that proves my point. nt kstewart33 Feb 2016 #49
Wrong - The kocks are like angels when compared to Sanders. SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #6
that's the part of the puzzle libertarians get right tk2kewl Feb 2016 #7
No, he does not endorse Bernie. He agrees that the deck is stacked, and then attempts to tell us djean111 Feb 2016 #8
Koch bros are Bernie republicans... workinclasszero Feb 2016 #9
Because they're paying Bernie off Armstead Feb 2016 #11
I take that article as trying to do what you are trying to do - lump Bernie in with the Kochs. djean111 Feb 2016 #12
They know the only way their republican puppet can win in the GE workinclasszero Feb 2016 #14
Your the one with the issue TheFarS1de Feb 2016 #22
Except no head to head polling supports your theory. nt shawn703 Feb 2016 #27
So then, which entity is playing reverse psychology here! cascadiance Feb 2016 #32
Respectfully, that is ridiculous. kstewart33 Feb 2016 #19
You don't really get the idea of democracy, do you? kristopher Feb 2016 #35
Let's set aside the snark and take another look. kstewart33 Feb 2016 #43
The Clintons and the DLC were working WITH the Koch brothers when they started that organization... cascadiance Feb 2016 #30
A 'reverse psychology play'? kstewart33 Feb 2016 #47
Well if they are more worried about Bernie, doing such reverse psychology just worked with you! cascadiance Feb 2016 #53
Is this the latest feeding from the Clinton Meme Machine? Armstead Feb 2016 #10
Well, just one of them. djean111 Feb 2016 #13
KochBros and BernieBros ACTIVATE! itsrobert Feb 2016 #15
THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!! H2O Man Feb 2016 #17
great theater...Koch brothers knows which exact button to push on Dem kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #21
FAIL! nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #18
The evidence is right here in front of Bernie fans eyes yet workinclasszero Feb 2016 #20
Keep following that line of thought TheFarS1de Feb 2016 #23
If Bernie should get the nomination... workinclasszero Feb 2016 #28
So you believe a Koch ? TheFarS1de Feb 2016 #41
Them Koch brothers H2O Man Feb 2016 #24
Clearly you didn't read until the end of the article Nevernose Feb 2016 #26
That answers the question Jamaal510 Feb 2016 #25
The rubes dont get it and wont get it until they are staring down an 18 point G.E. loss. Even then stevenleser Feb 2016 #34
Why in hell did they let him run in the Dem primary? ucrdem Feb 2016 #37
bookmarked frylock Feb 2016 #44
Rubes? malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #54
Omaha Billionaire Warren Buffet supports Hillary. That reminds many of US of some ongoing blowback. bobthedrummer Feb 2016 #36
Cool story. frylock Feb 2016 #45
Charles, is he the bad brother or the not as bad one? Matariki Feb 2016 #46
You really think Hillary has a better chance than Bernie? AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #48
Not an endorsement. He's just using Bernie Sanders' name to get attention Eric J in MN Feb 2016 #50
Koch is feeling the Bern! lunamagica Feb 2016 #51
Koch is not feeling the Bern. malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #52
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
2. I'm glad to see you disagree with Koch.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:34 PM
Feb 2016

Politics are NOT set up to help the one percent. Phew! What a relief!

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
4. This was posted as an attempted hit on Sanders yesterday. Didn't work then either.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:35 PM
Feb 2016

Turns out no one give a fuck about Charles Koch.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
40. yes, keep recycling the trash
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:15 PM
Feb 2016

and hope that people don't read the entire article. Misleading headlines are SOOOOO effective!!

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
5. I have no idea what Charles Koch's intentions are with regard to
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:38 PM
Feb 2016

his recent statement agreeing with Senator Sanders. Only time will tell. But, if his strategy was to cause Bernie to win the nomination, it will have been the worst calculation he has ever made because Bernie would likely defeat any Republican candidate and as President would be a serious "thorn in the side" of the oligarchs, which includes him.

It was most definitely a "stunner".




kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
16. Politically, the Koch brothers are sharks and they are smarter than you or me or anyone else at DU.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:20 PM
Feb 2016

Theirs is not a miscalculation. Like the Republicans who will caucus for Bernie today, they are doing everything they can to make sure that Bernie gets the nomination.

Think about that. There is no way that anyone can twist this into supporting the meme that Bernie will win in November.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
33. Where did u get the idea that inherited wealth equals being smart?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:59 PM
Feb 2016

I'd wager that hundreds of DUers (at least) are 'smarter' than the Kochs.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
38. Millions into billions and great political power.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:11 PM
Feb 2016

It's not the millions that they got, it's what they did with it. They took those millions and they built a business empire worth billions.

They are currently the most powerful donors in the Republican party and they will personally make the difference in a number of races because of all the power ($$$ and smarts) that they wield.

If a DUer has a comparable record, please post.


kristopher

(29,798 posts)
42. So they are like Trump?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:20 PM
Feb 2016

also, growing their daddy's petroleum empire in the 20th century wasn't a particularly remarkable feat. So again, if you think that being born filthy rich is a mark of intelligence you are seriously confused. Also I really feel sorry for you and your system of values that reads the power of money in such a way.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
6. Wrong - The kocks are like angels when compared to Sanders.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:47 PM
Feb 2016

They are Gods. Wise people worship them. Sanders is the dust under their feet.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
8. No, he does not endorse Bernie. He agrees that the deck is stacked, and then attempts to tell us
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:44 PM
Feb 2016

that Bernie is wrong about the reason why. Bernie says it is greed, Koch says it is out of care for the poor.

Koch is counting on low reading comprehension and/or a tendency to either swallow a headline whole, with no further reading, or hope that others do that.

Fail. Read the article. If you still think Koch is endorsing Bernie, the material is somewhat over your head.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
9. Koch bros are Bernie republicans...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:07 PM
Feb 2016
The Koch brothers have bankrolled a number of right-wing and libertarian think-tanks such as the Cato Institute, the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute. Koch money also played a large role in funding some of the groups that coalesced into the Tea Party in 2009.

Why?

Why do they want to see Bernie defeat Hillary?
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
12. I take that article as trying to do what you are trying to do - lump Bernie in with the Kochs.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:12 PM
Feb 2016

By pretending to say nice things about him, they are trying to get Democrats to turn on him. Which is what you are trying to accomplish, it seems to me.

And I think Hillary represents those groups a lot more, by universes, than Bernie ever would.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
14. They know the only way their republican puppet can win in the GE
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:18 PM
Feb 2016

is if they are running against Bernie.

There is no other reason a full on fascist right wing billionaire who bankrolled the damned tea party like Koch would say nice things about "revolutionary socialist" Bernie Sanders!

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
32. So then, which entity is playing reverse psychology here!
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:58 PM
Feb 2016

Your interpretation of the Koch Brothers comments as to saying they want Bernie to be nominated, or the corporate media that says that Bernie is THE MORE ELECTABLE against Republicans in recent polls measuring him against these Republicans?

They both want the same outcome for a corporatist supporting Republican or Democrat to win, which would mean that both of those entities would WANT someone like Hillary or a Republican to win. So one of them seems to be playing reverse psychology here. What else would explain it.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
19. Respectfully, that is ridiculous.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:25 PM
Feb 2016

If they are trying to turn Dems away from Bernie, wouldn't tens of millions of anti Bernie ads be more effective than one newspaper article?

The Kochs will spend hundreds of millions against Dem candidates this year. Why not against Bernie and why not now, before Super Tuesday?

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
43. Let's set aside the snark and take another look.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:36 PM
Feb 2016

And address the issue about what the Kochs are doing.

Don't get into specifics, and if faced with some facts that question the Bernie memes, resort to the universal Bernie meme of condescending, generalized responses that anyone who disagrees just doesn't get it. It's just too much for our naive corrupted minds to understand. We are incapable of understanding what the deep and true meaning of The Revolution is.

Maybe if someone explained how any of this will ever get past the Republican-controlled Congress (besides "The People' will make it happen&quot , maybe we'd give Bernie's wish list a second look.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
30. The Clintons and the DLC were working WITH the Koch brothers when they started that organization...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:52 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie has not been working WITH the Kochs at all!

Nice try to try and promote their comments to try to do a reverse psychology play that the Kochs are trying to use.

Bernie is the only candidate that hasn't been working with Koch money or influence on his campaign, unlike the Clintons!

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
47. A 'reverse psychology play'?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:43 PM
Feb 2016

Here's the Koch's ideas of real play: Spend $1 billion dollars in ads and staffing thousands of door-to-door canvassing squads to devastate the Democrats.

The Kochs are not into parlor game 'reverse psychology.' They are into directly destroying Democratic opponents. And they believe they can much more easily destroy Bernie in the general than Hillary. So they are pumping Bernie up to demolish him in the general.

That's about as direct as it gets.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
53. Well if they are more worried about Bernie, doing such reverse psychology just worked with you!
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 06:38 PM
Feb 2016

But then again, Ann Coulter, who said she wants the Republicans to face Hillary Clinton rather than Bernie I guess could also be trying to do reverse psychology too. Or why wouldn't she just be brutally honest like you claim the Kochs are here.

Bottom line is that we shouldn't be trusting anything that the right wing says, or for that matter be careful who we trust with the corporate media, who are working more to help their corporate buddies than the average American too.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
20. The evidence is right here in front of Bernie fans eyes yet
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:32 PM
Feb 2016

you all REFUSE to see it!

The worst hardcore republican right wing billionaire in the country wants Bernie to defeat Hillary!!

What possible reason could the Koch bros have for doing this when they are 1000% against everything Bernie Sanders stands for???




TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
23. Keep following that line of thought
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:42 PM
Feb 2016

and realise you are taking that slime balls word for gospel . You are free to listen to anyone but if you get your info from a Koch treat it as a lie ...that is what thinking people do .

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
28. If Bernie should get the nomination...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:51 PM
Feb 2016

you all will find out the reason.

After a bloodbath for the dems we will have a President Trump or Cruz and total republican controlled government.

Oh and a reich wing packed SCOTUS for a generation as well.

I would GTFO of here then if only I had the means.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
26. Clearly you didn't read until the end of the article
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:47 PM
Feb 2016

Or the original statement at all. But what the hell, right: it's a caucus day, so everybody should just make up whatever they want about whatever candidate they want.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
25. That answers the question
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:46 PM
Feb 2016

of the Kochs not knowing what they're doing. They know the country's politics are rigged, but they like it that way. They aren't stupid like most of their party's followers. They'll spend whichever amount of money it takes to fund candidates and propositions that are more favorable to their own pocketbooks.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
34. The rubes dont get it and wont get it until they are staring down an 18 point G.E. loss. Even then
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:03 PM
Feb 2016

many of them won't get it. They will blame it on some kind of conspiracy and it will be one of sorts, one of Sanders supporters own making.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
37. Why in hell did they let him run in the Dem primary?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:08 PM
Feb 2016

This outcome wasn't hard to predict and in fact I predicted it . . .

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
48. You really think Hillary has a better chance than Bernie?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:50 PM
Feb 2016

Here's a sample of what the Republican strategy would be:

- Demoralize Democrats from voting for Hillary through a barrage of ads emphasizing Hillary's dishonesty and corruption. Make her untouchable to people who value honesty and integrity.

- Rile up Republicans to unite against Hillary, including emphasizing Obama and Hillary "helped terrorists" through bad judgement that "led to ISIS", and that Hillary jeopardizes U.S. security, as proven when she used her private email account instead of a government secured account, as well as Benghazi of course.


They will play this a lot:




Republicans will win because Democratic voter turnout will be depressed while Republican turnout will be record highs after 8 years of Obama.

As one of the conservative movement leaders and co-founder of the Heritage Foundation, Paul Weyrich, said:

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
50. Not an endorsement. He's just using Bernie Sanders' name to get attention
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:57 PM
Feb 2016

...for his right-wing idea that the government should stop spending money on the poor.

malletgirl02

(1,523 posts)
52. Koch is not feeling the Bern.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:06 PM
Feb 2016

Article from the Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/19/charles-koch-bernie-sanders-economy-criminal-justice

If you read the article you can find the truth that the Kochs are not Bernie Sanders supporters.

Sanders has been an ardent critic of the Kochs for years, frequently invoking them in speeches about income inequality, corporate greed and campaign finance reform. The claim that the Koch brothers’ planned $900m of expenditures in the 2016 election is more than the Democratic or Republican parties will spend has been a standard part of Sanders’ stump speech on the campaign trail.

“As he campaigns for the Democratic nomination for president,” Koch writes, “Sanders often sounds like he’s running as much against me as he is the other candidates.”


But the column was not a true endorsement by any measure. “At this point you may be asking yourself, ‘Is Charles Koch feeling the Bern?’” the billionaire wrote. “Hardly.”

Koch went on to rail against federal programs like the war on poverty. “A bigger, more controlling, more complex and costlier federal government leaves the disadvantaged less likely to improve their lives,” Koch said.

Sanders, as a democratic socialist, has proposed dramatically ramping up federal spending on domestic programs for jobs, education, housing and poverty alleviation.
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