2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy Trump and Sanders Were Inevitable-It was only a matter of time before we had a populist backlash
link; excerpt:There were, in retrospect, clear signs of what was to comesigns that if Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders did not appear on the scene, someone else like them would have. Weve had decades of forewarnings as the top income earners the one percentbegan taking bigger shares of our economy starting in the 1980s: The anti-globalization protests of the late 1990s. The rise of Ross NAFTA-will-suck-our-jobs-away Perot and Pat Pitchforks Buchanan against the GOP establishment. The brief but intense Occupy Wall Street movement. The adoration of Elizabeth Warren. The warnings from superstar economist Thomas Piketty in recent years that the United States was suffering the worst income inequality in the developed world, worse than anything since the 1920sand that it was not sustainable.
Above all, there was the drip-drip-drip social acid of stagnating middle-class income... from Washington there was only the all-too-self-confident movement of both political parties toward a full-on embrace of policies that further promoted the brutally unequal society that America is today. First, the Republicans became ardent free traders, then the Democrats under Clinton, with Obama following suit. Even the Democratshaving become deficit-slashing Eisenhower Republicans, in Bill Clintons tart phraseresponded with mostly harsh trickle-down medicine: Workfare. Unfair tax policies, with capital-gains earners (read: plutocrats) getting most of the breaks. Rubinomics. Greenspan worship. And all the while we in the media listenedin hushed awe of their geniusto the economists who told us that of course there were inequities and a lot of people would be left behind, but globalization and ever-freer markets were still good for most of us, overall anyway, sort of, we think. And besides, whats the alternative?
The only wonder, perhaps, is that it took Trump and Sanders this long to get here.... The message that Sanders and Trump are bringing to the stump isnt going away soon, not until the two parties acknowledge the deep flaws in the economic paradigm that got us to this place of inequality, but which neither the Democratic nor the Republican leadership have questioned deeply.... Trump emphasizes shutting down job-stealing immigrants and getting better deals from the world; Sanders, imprisoning wealth-gobbling, spoiled Wall Streeters and getting fairer deals from the world. Both candidates plainly appeal to people who feel that no one is really standing up for them and what used to be known as their middle class; people who want more of the pie than theyve been getting for a long time, and people who realize that their political parties are at best half-hearted about doing anything about that.... According to the Federal Reserve, a broad group of Americans loosely defined as the middle class saw its net worth plummet from a median of $126,400 in 2007 to $77,300 in 2010. Thus we came out the other side of the Great Recession a very different economy altogether. The recovered wealthmost of it from higher stock priceshas flowed mainly to richer Americans, The Associated Press reported. According to Berkeley economist Emmanuel Saez, the wealthiest 1 percent of the country actually made out better, in percentage terms, during Obamas recovery than they did from 2002-07 under George W. Bush.
By 2012, according to Saez, the top 1 percent were earning 23 percent of the nations income, almost the same ratio as in 1929. ... The Democratic establishment from Obama to Hillary Clinton has been continually surprised by the anger and sense of betrayal within its progressive wing, which is why so few people took Sanders seriously at first (including the Clintons).... What is not debatable is that growing inequality is a major, society-shaking problemone that, as Rodrik says, has actually made America less cohesive, and neither Democrats nor Republicans are doing much about it. Here too weve had years of warning: Real wages for most U.S. workers have been relatively stagnant since the 1970s, while those for the top 1 percent have increased 156 percent, and those for the top 0.1 percent have increased 362 percent, according to a report by the Economic Policy Institute. Thus, the Harvard Gazette reported earlier in February, the poorest 20 percent of Americans received just 3.6 percent of the national income in 2014, down from 5.7 percent in 1974. The upper 20 percent, meanwhile, received nearly half of U.S. income in 2014, up from about 40 percent in 1974, according to Census Bureau statistics.

Vote2016
(1,198 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)Please proceed.
elleng
(139,213 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)The People want Bernie Sanders and the M$M stiffed him at every opportunity,
for as long as possible, and when finally forced to talk about him ... trash him endlessly.
Yet Bernie's still very much in the running for the Presidency.
BIG difference.
elleng
(139,213 posts)with Obama following suit. Even the Democratshaving become deficit-slashing Eisenhower Republicans, in Bill Clintons tart phraseresponded with mostly harsh trickle-down medicine: Workfare. Unfair tax policies, with capital-gains earners (read: plutocrats) getting most of the breaks. Rubinomics. Greenspan worship.'
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)elleng
(139,213 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Arazi
(7,726 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Paka
(2,760 posts)Good read.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Thank you for posting.
amborin
(16,631 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Both Democratic and Republican leaders, meanwhile, are still kidding themselves that their respective bases are
basically OK with their economic agendas, when plainly the numbers show they arent. On the GOP side, there were those who thought the tea party was libertarian, but nothing could have been further from the truth, as Rand Paul discovered when his presidential bid crashed and burned. Even a conservative in the maltreated middle class doesnt want less help from government; instead the tea party backlash was anti-immigrant and anti-Obamanot so much opposed to government per se as to how government redistributes wealth. The Democratic establishment from Obama to Hillary Clinton has been continually surprised by the anger and sense of betrayal within its progressive wing, which is why so few people took Sanders seriously at first (including the Clintons).
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/why-donald-trump-and-bernie-sanders-were-inevitable-213685#ixzz41X8Ozu6p
Oh and I have written here about this anger for years. This surprises me in the least. And I expect the denial to continue... All I can say is... I told you so.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)consequence of our rigged economy. This does not legitimize Trump any more than pointing out that lung cancer is a foreseeable consequence of smoking legitimizes cancer.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)"The message that Sanders and Trump are bringing to the stump isnt going away soon, not until the two parties acknowledge the deep flaws in the economic paradigm that got us to this place of inequality, but which neither the Democratic nor the Republican leadership have questioned deeply"
That suggests Trump's message is just as valid as Bernie's. Its shocking that you cant see that.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)This does not suggest that Trump's message is valid; it says Trump's message is a symptom of our rigged economy and demagoguery will not go away until the inequality that is fueling the demagoguery goes away.
Just as there will always be a Clinton-type candidate who speaks for Wall Street and protects Wall Street from regulation until we get rid of Citizens United, it does not validate Clinton's message to acknowledge that it won't go away until the broken campaign finance rules that fuel her message are fixed.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)That is essentially what you are saying.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Hillary's message (he's a demagogue; she's a corporate shill -- a demagogue is way, way worse).
Think of it this way: He's a villain, and she is merely an enabler of villainy.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Wait till people realize they been served a fake candidate once again.
Course they may be to busy starving to do anything at that point.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)supporters.
Sanders supporters (or many of them at least) just believe that Clinton cannot win in November and she's only 50% better than the least right-wingy of the clown car Republicans who ran for office.
Sanders supporters (or many of them at least) will vote for the nominee regardless of who it is (or at least most will vote against the Republican nominee by voting Democratic even if they think it is a vote "for" the nominee if we choose Sanders and think of it as a vote "against" the Republican otherwise).
CLINTON LOSES BECAUSE INDEPENDENTS HATE HER; NOT BECAUSE OF SANDERS SUPPORTERS.