2016 Postmortem
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(5,390 posts)HughLefty1
(231 posts)I'm so tired of the same tired, lazy response every time I say I'm voting Bernie.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)At times I think paid posters have invaded the DU.
senz
(11,945 posts)When so many push the same meme in a rote, broadcast manner and then repeatedly switch to new ones in concert with one another, it loses the "human" touch real quick.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Having attempted over the years to phone bank for a Democratic state legislature guy, and been told that I first had to announce how much "I liked Hillary" before that privilege would be extended to me, I would say that some of these folks are quite happy to put in long hours for the thrill of yet another free chicken dinner with the Democratic candidate of their choice. (Not the President or Sen. Feinstein, but some third rate Willy Wanka out of San Jose.)
There are some people who just get a total thrill out of being for someone who is presenting a whole lotta Authoritarian Energy that they must bow to.
senz
(11,945 posts)I volunteered with OFA for Obama's reelection and was amazed how much some of the other volunteers envied those who got to meet and have their picture taken with Michelle Obama or Joe Biden. There was strong resentment over these things; it was a really big deal to them.
Not even sure it's "Authoritarian Energy," per se. It might just be celebrity worship. Frankly, it seemed childish.
Am glad someone else has noticed it.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)libtodeath
(2,888 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)deathrind
(1,786 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)Our current priorities: Sacrificing to the "Gods" 1%)
My suggestion: People, all of them
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)That would cost 3-4 fighter jets don't work anyway.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)It's not the least bit fuzzy and really is worth looking at:
https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I'm not unaware of the soundness of Bernie's Platform & plans to
pay for his proposals.
senz
(11,945 posts)But, hey, it gave one of us an excuse to put it out there for lurkers and curious Hill folk to see, so that's good.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Check your PM
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)Right now it's the billionaires, the MIC and the megacorporations who are getting all the "free stuff". Time to spread it around to benefit us Little People.
K&R
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Some days it's almost indistinguishable.
rock
(13,218 posts)Why not instead of wasting billions on Wall Street bailouts, oil wars, and corporate subsidies, take that money and give us the 'free stuff' and don't increase our taxes? It isn't clear, does Bernie intend to raise taxes or not?
SHRED
(28,136 posts)All you need to do is look it up.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/
rock
(13,218 posts)Bernie is being hypocritical. I knew he's going to tax us. My real point is, "Instead of wasting billions on Wall Street bailouts, oil wars, and corporate subsidies, why not take that money instead of increasing our taxes?" Because it's gobbledegook as it stands.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)I've read his propaganda. But I serious doubt it's going to be Wall Street, banks, corporations and the rich.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)on a Democratic site. That did it for me.
senz
(11,945 posts)As if we the people didn't have the right to use our government to secure our inalienable rights.
We've lost so much in the past 35 or so years. We've almost lost the country entirely.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)libtodeath
(2,888 posts)benpollard
(197 posts)Republicans will get us into more wars and cut taxes on the wealthy. There's not much return on that investment other than jobs in the MIC and dead bodies.
Bernie promises free college. College grads make far more than non-grads, so they pay more in taxes, put more back into the economy, and make our country better. There's a YUGE return on that investment.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)But apparently it appeals to uncritical, low-attention-span voters.
Would I like to trade the premiums I pay for practically useless, astronomical deductible Bronze insurance for genuine health care? You bet I would.
At present, I feel as though I'm paying off a protection racket. I want a government that serves the greater good instead of the insatiable greed of a handful.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)So fuck the other side and their bullshit about not wanting to pay a cent more in taxes... THAT sounds republican to ME.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)...over $14K in 2014 and over $10K last year in healthcare.
They conviently leave out deducting that under Sanders plan.
They are fucking half-truth tellers and outright liars all to defend a candidate who is cozy with the private insurance jackals.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)If public goods are bad, there should not be such a thing as public education. If you grow up in a house with a library and your parents can afford tutors, then you get an education. Otherwise you don't deserve one. If you want retired people with no kids at home to pay for school bonds, you are just shilling for "free stuff." College tuition used to be free in quite a few states. Those who want it to be so again are just more parasites shilling for "free stuff."
I like my Marxist fire department quite a bit. It is paid for by the government stealing a lot of money from people who have never had fires. The more your property is worth, the more property taxes you have to pay to support it. That would be "from each according to his abilities." But they don't send a truck out unless you have a fire. That would be "to each according to his need."
Every single industrialized country in the world treats health care as a public good, with lots of different ways of paying the bills. Here it's like an iPod. If you have money or good insurance you get it. Otherwise you can fuck off and die, which is nothing but what sick, useless parasites deserve.
And then there's all that physical infrastructure--roads, airports, dams. Be grateful for our interstate highway system. Ike paid for it with a 90% top marginal tax rate, so if we ever had to replace it, we couldn't. And if you don't have a car, why should you pay for highways you can't drive on anyway?
It is the nature of socialist public goods that
1. Everyone pays, regardless of usage.
2. They are usually free at the point of service.
How would private enterprise even exist without massive investment in public infrastructure?