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Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:24 PM

Would you vote for a Democrat who supports TPP?

From Down With Tyranny:

Would You Vote For Someone Working To Destroy America? Most Members Of Congress Are Doing Just That-- TPP

[link:http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2016/04/would-you-vote-for-someone-working-to.html?m=1|]


Click on the link (if it works) to see 28 Democrats who gave Obama and the Republicans the votes required for Fast Track Authority on TPP.

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Reply Would you vote for a Democrat who supports TPP? (Original post)
Meteor Man Apr 2016 OP
haikugal Apr 2016 #1
Meteor Man Apr 2016 #2
LibDemAlways Apr 2016 #3
Maedhros Apr 2016 #4
djean111 Apr 2016 #5
Meteor Man Apr 2016 #11
tritsofme Apr 2016 #6
Meteor Man Apr 2016 #9
Vincardog Apr 2016 #21
Trajan Apr 2016 #7
kgnu_fan Apr 2016 #8
Hoyt Apr 2016 #10
Skwmom Apr 2016 #12
Hoyt Apr 2016 #20
Skwmom Apr 2016 #24
Hoyt Apr 2016 #30
Skwmom Apr 2016 #15
Meteor Man Apr 2016 #19
DookDook Apr 2016 #13
Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #14
jwirr Apr 2016 #16
Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #17
Third Doctor Apr 2016 #18
silvershadow Apr 2016 #22
Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #23
bigwillq Apr 2016 #25
MuseRider Apr 2016 #26
AuntPatsy Apr 2016 #27
Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #28
geek tragedy Apr 2016 #29

Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:25 PM

1. NO, I won't...

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:25 PM

2. Missing link again

Visit Down With Tyranny April 20th post.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:25 PM

3. No.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:31 PM

4. That would be akin to voting for a Republican.

 

Won't do it.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:31 PM

5. Nope.

 

Won't vote a "Democrat" who voted for Fast track.

Won't vote for a "Democrat" who shilled for Fast Track or the TPP or the TPIP.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:40 PM

11. DWS was one of the Dem sellouts

Surprise, surprise!

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:33 PM

6. So you think President Obama is working to destroy America? What a bunch of Tea Party nonsense.

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:38 PM

9. Obama supports TPP

Is Obama just stupid or has he sold out to the Wall Street .01% ?

TPP would never have gotten Fast Track Authority unless Obama pushed for it.

Hillary has not genuinely opposed TPP or pledged to veto TPP. Is Hillary just stupid or has she sold out to the Wall Street .01% ?

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:11 PM

21. What part is "Tea Party nonsense"? Anyone supporting TPP is supporting the relinquishing of our

Rights and sovereignty to the whims of unbridled greed.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:33 PM

7. Hell no!

 

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:37 PM

8. Kick for NO

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:39 PM

10. It depends on why they vote for it. The TPP and similar agreements are more than "trade' agreements

and help bind our country with others in ways most people won't even consider. I think, long-term, this and the Atlantic agreement will be very important to our capability to expand/improve health care, welfare (even guaranteed income), education, etc. We are not going to produce that income trading among ourselves.

Sure, if someone votes for it hoping to ship more jobs overseas, without the poorer countries progressing and demanding more of our goods and services long-term, then they are wrong. If the hope is to build a better world for everyone -- not just Nationalists and America First types -- then that is very Democratic.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:52 PM

12. Yeah, our State Dept defeating the .61 per hour minimum wage in Haiti will REALLY help to


develop trade going both ways. What B.S.

I thought Clinton was for women and children?

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Response to Skwmom (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:11 PM

20. Obviously, you know little of the background of the State Dept backing an increase but not

one that would hurt Haiti worse than they already were. Would Haitians be better off making $10 an hour, you darn right. But who is going to help then get that. Certainly not Sanders and his supporters who believe America First and screw the rest of the world.



". . . . . . .Now, of course, it would be wonderful if Haitians could make far more than $3 a day on average for working in an apparel mill. But as history shows that requires that Haitian workers and Haitian factory managers develop the skills to do more complex things than just make a T-shirt. T-shirts are so cheap, there just isn't much profit in there to pay anybody well. Some Haitian factories do make polo shirts and other higher skill products, and they pay better. If Haiti can move up to much higher-end production like luxury items, say, for chic New York stores then Haitians' will make even more money.

"This has been the story of industrial development throughout the world. In England, in the early days of the industrial revolution, workers began making simple, coarse cloth and then learned and developed skills and inventions and eventually made far more complex and valuable goods. Their wages rose along with their skill. Then, New England stole some Brit technology, developed its own coarse cloth business and then learned to make higher value goods. This story, of course, has been repeated in the American South, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, China. A surprisingly large number of countries that are middle- or high-income today were able to move out of pre-industrial subsistence agriculture by first adopting low-end textile and apparel manufacturing and then developing greater and greater skills.

"Part of Haiti's tragedy is that it was, once, farther down the road of industrial development than it is today. From the 1970s through the early 1990s, Haiti developed some decent, higher-skill apparel factories and even some electronics assembly factories.

"But years of political instability, misrule, and a U.S.-led embargo during Haiti's post-Aristide dictatorship all but destroyed the local industry. By the time Haiti was ready to develop its industry again in the past five years, global manufacturing technology and trade had been so thoroughly transformed that Haiti had to, basically, start all over. . . . . . ."

http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2011/06/10/137064161/would-a-5-a-day-minimum-wage-make-life-better-in-haiti

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #20)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:38 PM

24. Well you should see what they sell Hanes and Fruit of the Loom for in my neck of the woods. Hardly

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cheap. And there is no reason to work to defeat a 61 cent an hour min wage. 31 cents an hour when the avg cost of daily living is approx 24 dollars is disgusting greed.

Please spare me the bogus more complex skills argument. They took the factories offshore to feed the greed.

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Response to Skwmom (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:08 PM

30. Maybe some of those "international" unions should have gone over and helped. Guess they figured

Haitian's couldn't pay enough in dues to make it worthwhile. Fact is, this is the exact reason every poor country needs more investment and jobs -- but the America First types don't care if they represent the world'd 1%ers as long as they keep theirs. We do have some folks here who definitely need to do better. But a lot of folks who are whining have no idea what it could be like if we were like most of the world. The only ones who are going to invest significant amounts of money in poor countries are corporations. That's a sad fact, but a fact. I suggest we learn how to harness them to improve our situation here and poor country's situations there.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:54 PM

15. TISA wants to let education, etc. be privatized by multinational corporations with NO RIGHT for the


U.S. to EVER go public again. And it allows for an end run around employee and environmental laws etc.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:08 PM

19. TPP is more than a trade agreement

That is exactly the problem. TPP would allow global corporations to sue America and any other country who is a signatory for "lost profits" caused by environmental regulations.

TPP would allow Big Pharms to sue for "lost profits" as a result of FDA regulations that protect consumers by requiring vigorous tests to validate drug safety.

TPP is inexcusable.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:53 PM

13. Nope. eom

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:54 PM

14. I will, in fact, actively campaign against any of my congresscritters who support it.

 

Breaks my heart to have to oppose Ron Wyden...but he completely lost me over this issue.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:55 PM

16. No.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:56 PM

17. And, Hillary is bragging about donating to their campaigns.

 

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:59 PM

18. No

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:29 PM

22. No. Never. In fact, I would vote against such a candidate. nt

 

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:34 PM

23. not a chance.

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:39 PM

25. No (nt)

 

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:43 PM

26. No no and no n/t

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:44 PM

27. That would be akin to loading a gun and handing it to someone who just threatened to harm you..

Close enough...

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:45 PM

28. Which Democrat are you thinking and whom are they running against?

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Response to Meteor Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:46 PM

29. the TPP is one issue, and it's possible to oppose it while also finding the hyperbole

 

regarding it beyond ridiculous.

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