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Wed Oct 31, 2012, 01:27 AM

Joe Scarborough calls Nate Silver an ideologue and joke. Silver responds on PBS (with video)

Nate Silver was on PBS's Charlie Rose show. I recored the part where he answers the attacks from Morning Joe.

The video is posted here.

&feature=youtu.be


Sorry its a little sloppy. I'm not an internet video expert by a long shot.

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Reply Joe Scarborough calls Nate Silver an ideologue and joke. Silver responds on PBS (with video) (Original post)
aaaaaa5a Oct 2012 OP
elleng Oct 2012 #1
Alekei_Firebird Oct 2012 #2
Tombiag Oct 2012 #3
Kurovski Oct 2012 #6
Alekei_Firebird Oct 2012 #7
mzmolly Oct 2012 #10
woolldog Oct 2012 #13
mzmolly Oct 2012 #15
Mutiny In Heaven Oct 2012 #16
mzmolly Oct 2012 #29
woolldog Oct 2012 #17
mzmolly Oct 2012 #30
Lord_Maculus Oct 2012 #34
Kurovski Oct 2012 #4
Jennicut Oct 2012 #5
Mutiny In Heaven Oct 2012 #8
elleng Oct 2012 #18
Mutiny In Heaven Oct 2012 #19
WCGreen Oct 2012 #9
CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2012 #41
Alekei_Firebird Oct 2012 #11
octoberlib Oct 2012 #14
politrixjunkie Oct 2012 #39
augie-va Oct 2012 #12
budkin Oct 2012 #20
elleng Oct 2012 #21
Adenoid_Hynkel Oct 2012 #22
Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #23
exboyfil Oct 2012 #25
Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #31
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underpants Oct 2012 #24
polichick Oct 2012 #26
smorkingapple Oct 2012 #27
Hamlette Oct 2012 #28
aaaaaa5a Oct 2012 #36
bamacrat Oct 2012 #32
Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2012 #33
SoapBox Oct 2012 #35
ejbr Oct 2012 #37
just1voice Oct 2012 #38
NCLefty Oct 2012 #40

Response to aaaaaa5a (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 01:34 AM

1. Saw the show. Nate was kind.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 01:36 AM

2. Nate Silver doesn't even consider Joe Scarborough as part of the same species intellectually

He doesn't need to bother with what a dumbass thinks about his finely-tuned model.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 01:41 AM

3. Holy crap!

Nate Silver's a right-winger!

Someone needs to send this to Dean Chambers

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Response to Tombiag (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 01:43 AM

6. libertarian/liberal

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Response to Tombiag (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 01:44 AM

7. I thought Nate Silver described himself as a "rational progressive"

And why would a right-winger start off his political "pundit" career on DailyKos?

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Response to Alekei_Firebird (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 01:53 AM

10. That's probably how Libertarians think of themselves.

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Response to Alekei_Firebird (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 01:57 AM

13. yeah I thought that was weird.

 

along with the fact that he's not voting anymore since joining the NYT?

He's changed completely. He always presented himself as a liberal and an Obama voter. Why is he so reluctant to say so now?

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Response to woolldog (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 02:03 AM

15. He said he voted for Obama and mainly Democrats but is an Independent

overall.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #15)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 02:06 AM

16. That's not what he implied in that video

It would be a Johnson vs Romney choice.

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Response to Mutiny In Heaven (Reply #16)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 11:26 AM

29. I heard what he said,

thanks. I also did some research after watching.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #15)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 02:07 AM

17. but in the video

 

he says if he were voting it'd be a choice between Johnson and Romney. Disturbing to hear him say that. I always had such respect for him.



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Response to woolldog (Reply #17)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 11:27 AM

30. I have respect for his analysis,

not necessarily his political views.

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Response to woolldog (Reply #17)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 12:24 PM

34. He said he's somewhere between a libertarian and a liberal

And immediately followed up by saying "So it'd be a choice between Johnson and Romney." So I think that was a slip up and he meant to say he'd be deciding between Johnson and Obama if he were voting. Unless he really believes that Mitt is back to being a liberal now... lol.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 01:41 AM

4. GOTV is the key. if all registered voters go to the polls, obama wins.

but Nate won't be voting.

i'm not judging, just stating.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 01:42 AM

5. Nate is very scientific and into hard data.

Joe Scar has no idea how Nate's model works. He is essentially lazy intellectually.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 01:48 AM

8. The fact that he makes it plain that he favors Romney over Obama

vis-a-vis the "Johnson vs Romney decision" might explain why he's sometimes appeared to be reaching (in his columns, not the crux of his model) more for positives in that direction than the more clinical assessment offered by Sam Wang. With that said, I don't think there's bias in his numbers. Perhaps some subconscious weighting issues, but nothing to be concerned about; I think his solid track record speaks for itself.

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Response to Mutiny In Heaven (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 02:09 AM

18. He doesn't make that plain at all, said 'between Libertarian and Liberal.'

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Response to elleng (Reply #18)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 02:14 AM

19. "Gary Johnson vs Mitt Romney decision"

Is how he frames the choice if he were to vote this year. It's pretty clear.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 01:49 AM

9. The Scar is just another in love with himself politician who thinks he has the edge on the

news because he was inside the machine, pal.

They are cock sure of themselves because they have had success at the polls which validates the high opinion of themselves. It's a heady feeling to win an election to know that you have been proven better than the other guy or gal.

Believe me, I know. I won a primary election, I crushed the guy. You can't believe what that feels like.

But then again, I am a realists and I purposely erased all of that nonsense out of my head and started from scratch.

Anyway, Scar is a typical politician who had everything going his way. I don't know why he quit but he did and he knows he left on top of his game. Now I hear he is thinking about running for the GOP nomination. Good luck to him. Hs ego will come rushing down to the ground especially when he no longer has his forum every morning.

When Obama wins next week, the long knifes on the left will be out. The Democrats have a lot of eager people who want to continue the Democrats in the Oval Office. And it will be easier because the GOP is losing their base as their big guns start to die off and or retire.

Things are going to be different in 2016 especially if things are still in a state of flux as far as the economy, environment and energy solutions go. These are the man issues that are coming at us fast and we need a left leaning centrist to grab hold of the opportunity of change that president Obama started and run with it into the 2020's.

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Response to WCGreen (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 03:18 PM

41. Wish I could recommend your post...n/t

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 01:53 AM

11. Joe Scar hates Nate Silver because people like Nate render him irrelevant

Who needs F-list celebrities gabbing about polls and campaign ads when some stat wonk can predict the election months in advance?

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Response to Alekei_Firebird (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 01:58 AM

14. +1 n/t

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Response to Alekei_Firebird (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 04:37 PM

39. Ding, Ding, Ding

It was obvious he was jealous when he said that.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 01:55 AM

12. That vid couldv'e been up-loaded by my grand-daughter...

but who gives a damn! Thanks so much!

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 02:22 AM

20. I think he meant to say Obama, no?

Romney is not between liberal and libertarian.

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Response to budkin (Reply #20)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 03:08 AM

21. Agree, as he clearly said 'between liberal and libertarian.'

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 03:58 AM

22. Joedeadintern hates anything that proves his crew of beltway hacks wrong

 

We're supposed to turn to Todd and Brokaw for their hackneyed narratives and analysis, rather than listen to Nate, who puts holes in their horse race theories.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 04:26 AM

23. That whole "No president has won when unemployment is at 8'%" talking point is bull....

 

Nate just said so but that was just passed by like it didn't matter.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #23)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 06:09 AM

25. Yes Morning in America

It is interesting to look at Jan. 82 (enough time for Reagan's policy to start taking effect) to Nov. 84. The unemployment rate was 8.6% on its way to a high of 10.8% in Dec. 82. At election time in Oct. 84 it was 7.4%

For Obama Jan. 2010 9.7% to Sep. 2012 of 7.8%.

It may be heresy on this board, but I do think moving the marginal tax rated from 70% to 50% was a good thing. Below 50% becomes more of a question. I think the optimum is somewhere between 40% and 50%.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #25)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 11:27 AM

31. Maybe in peacetime but not with wars the rich want.

 

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 06:01 AM

24. +

marking for a later watch

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 06:11 AM

26. Poor Joe Scar is finding that his spin just doesn't work anymore.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 06:43 AM

27. He's not smart, he shoulda fucked with their heads and said he planned to vote Romney this year

#1 wouldn't make a difference in NY
#2 now he could credibly call himself an independent which adds to his credibility for next cycle
#3 all right wing attacks go out the window

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 09:56 AM

28. thanks for posting

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Response to Hamlette (Reply #28)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 01:31 PM

36. No problem!

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 11:42 AM

32. Everyone is an Ideologue if they don't agree with the right...

Nate was on Real Time last week, super awesome.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 11:57 AM

33. My opinion: I think Nate mentioned Romney, Johnson to shield himself against attacks from the Right.

 

I believe that he really supports Obama.

Again, my opinion.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 12:28 PM

35. STFU, Has-Been Joe.

...loser.

And idiot.

Do you really want to get into a pissing match over who has "brains"?

WARNING Joe! You would LOSE!

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 01:41 PM

37. Cool. Thanks for posting n/t

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 04:28 PM

38. "Joe" is a venal propagandist, he will lie for money at any time about anything

 

So are most MSMedia people, the entire medium has been thoroughly discredited for years and they are now owned by 6 corporations:

http://broadcastunionnews.blogspot.com/2012/06/six-6-corporation-own-90-of-all.html

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 04:54 PM

40. He knows what a pundit is.

"If you're talking to someone whose entire purpose is to spin results in as favorable a way as they possible can for their campaigns, then they assume that everyone else is tainted by the same disease that they have."


I also think it was a *brutal* takedown of Joe. Saying he's not using math & history is a nice way of saying he's full of crap :p

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