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Red Oak

(697 posts)
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:26 PM May 2016

This is one weak nominee: Hillary Clinton’s problem isn’t Bernie Sanders. It’s Hillary Clinton

"Say whatever you want about Clinton’s lengthy résumé—and her credentials are indeed impressive—her performance this primary season is hardly indicative of a strong candidate."

-snip-

"Look no further than the 2000 election, when another policy-wonk Democrat with little charm or charisma—Al Gore—failed to ride his impressive credentials to the White House. Gore, a two-term vice president with prior lengthy service in both the Senate and House, lost to an anti-intellectual GOP opponent with no Washington experience. Sound familiar?"

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/14/this_is_one_weak_nominee_hillary_clintons_problem_isnt_bernie_sanders_its_hillary_clinton/

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This is one weak nominee: Hillary Clinton’s problem isn’t Bernie Sanders. It’s Hillary Clinton (Original Post) Red Oak May 2016 OP
If Secretary Clinton is so "weak", what does it say about BS, being nearly 300 delegates behind SFnomad May 2016 #1
You and others have assured us again and again that Sanders won't be the nominee. hellofromreddit May 2016 #10
It Says Nothing About BS Other Than He Is A Stalwart Man of Character Running Against CorporatistNation May 2016 #11
lol ... thanks for the laugh, that's about all you people are good for n/t SFnomad May 2016 #12
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! JaneyVee May 2016 #13
Sanders wins 100% of the delegates MFM008 May 2016 #27
The comedy is strong in you! Too bad it is not intentional. synergie May 2016 #40
Weak? NanceGreggs May 2016 #2
She is Martha Coakley lancer78 May 2016 #16
If she is so weak ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #19
If she was strong? lancer78 May 2016 #21
You might want to run those numbers again ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #22
What makes you think lancer78 May 2016 #38
Sure, otherwise Bernie, peas be upon him, would have won the South and thus synergie May 2016 #41
name recognition & the gnewz media is pimping her. because she was supposed to win. pansypoo53219 May 2016 #37
Al Gore: jamese777 May 2016 #3
YAY! I'm with HER!! NewImproved Deal May 2016 #4
She's got my vote Progressive dog May 2016 #5
If it were not for the corruption (tm) of the DNC and the scheduling, they too would not be such low synergie May 2016 #42
Don't moan to me about hillary's problems FreakinDJ May 2016 #6
She is winning by a LANDSLIDE fun n serious May 2016 #7
Hillary WILL LOSE Going Away in The General! CorporatistNation May 2016 #15
Exactly... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #26
Uh huh. The media that only covers Bernie positively, where he has set up camp? synergie May 2016 #43
Then why lancer78 May 2016 #17
Again you totally miss the point. NanceGreggs May 2016 #23
Someone called him the "Zombie Candidate" MFM008 May 2016 #28
weak sheshe2 May 2016 #8
Another day, another inane Salon article. TwilightZone May 2016 #9
They did fire the writers who knew how to write to take a hard right into synergie May 2016 #44
Shes running 2 campaigns, and winning them BOTH. JaneyVee May 2016 #14
She is this years Martha Coakley lancer78 May 2016 #18
Excellent post Carolina May 2016 #20
How many times ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #24
They sensed it with Martha Coakley lancer78 May 2016 #30
There are no "problems" here. NanceGreggs May 2016 #32
Eliminated mathematically lancer78 May 2016 #35
She is working hard MFM008 May 2016 #29
Hillary has one of those two things lancer78 May 2016 #31
As things stand now ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #33
I predict Bernie will lancer78 May 2016 #36
"Impressive"??? snot May 2016 #25
Popular vote totals jamese777 May 2016 #34
And when we choose leaders by lancer78 May 2016 #39
Primaries? jamese777 May 2016 #46
Gore won that election bigtree May 2016 #45
 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
1. If Secretary Clinton is so "weak", what does it say about BS, being nearly 300 delegates behind
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:29 PM
May 2016

and over 3+ million fewer voters?

Al Gore rolled over ... that's something we won't see from Secretary Clinton.

 

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
10. You and others have assured us again and again that Sanders won't be the nominee.
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:18 PM
May 2016

So it's irrelevant.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
11. It Says Nothing About BS Other Than He Is A Stalwart Man of Character Running Against
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:00 AM
May 2016

a well entrenched and sophisticate Corporatist Oligarchical criminal syndicate... and doing quite well considering the "FIX" being in against him!

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
2. Weak?
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:38 PM
May 2016

She must be damned exhausted, what with lugging around all of those delegates and votes. And they just keep piling up, too.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
16. She is Martha Coakley
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:30 AM
May 2016

version 2.0. If she is so strong, why has she only won 15 out of 30 states after Super Tuesday?

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
19. If she is so weak ...
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:39 AM
May 2016

... why does she have hundreds more delegates than Bernie, and millions more votes?

Oh, BTW, in case you don't get how this is done, winning "states" is meaningless. It's winning delegates that counts.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
21. If she was strong?
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:55 AM
May 2016

Why has she lost half the contests since March 1st? HRC just got lucky in that the DNC scheduled the southern primaries first where she had more support. She has earned fewer delegates since March 15th than Sanders has.

In golf, there is a saying that it is better to be lucky than good. I think that applies to this primary season for HRC.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
22. You might want to run those numbers again ...
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:21 AM
May 2016

... on something other than a BernieMath Calculator.

HRC "got lucky in that the DNC scheduled the southern primaries first where she had more support"?

How do you figure that? Whether the southern primaries were counted first or last, the numbers would have been the same. What difference does it make which states came first, last, or in between to the overall count?

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
38. What makes you think
Sun May 15, 2016, 05:30 AM
May 2016

the numbers would have been the same. I can argue that if the southern states had gone last, more people would have heard Sanders message and might have voted for him.

And according to CNN, since March 15th, Sanders has gotten 18 more pledged delegates than HRC. I don't think CNN uses BernieMath.

My original point still stands. A politician as powerful as HRC should have been able to force Sanders out around March 15th. Hell, even Trump has managed to force all his opponents out.

And yes, for me it is personal. Three of my friends from high school died in Iraq because of Hillary's vote for her political expedience.

And before you say "Even if she had voted against it, we would have still gone to war", I think if HRC had stood there and used her and her husband's influence to pressure the democrats to stand together and not vote for the IWR, than the vote would have failed 51 to 49 (Chafee was the only Republican to vote against it), and my friends might still be alive today.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
41. Sure, otherwise Bernie, peas be upon him, would have won the South and thus
Sun May 15, 2016, 08:03 AM
May 2016

It would matter, for it would not have ignored the anointed one, cone to save us all with REVOLUTION!

pansypoo53219

(20,906 posts)
37. name recognition & the gnewz media is pimping her. because she was supposed to win.
Sun May 15, 2016, 05:21 AM
May 2016

conventional wisdom. as somebody pointed out. mrs more war if she wins also means RATINGS. ITS ALL ABOUT TEEVEE GNEWZ RATINGS. war = RATINGS.

jamese777

(546 posts)
3. Al Gore:
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:39 PM
May 2016

50,997,897
George W. Bush: 50,456,002

Gallup Poll Most Admired Woman
1990: Margaret Thatcher
1991: Barbara Bush
1992: Barbara Bush
1993: Hillary Rodham Clinton
1994: Hillary Rodham Clinton
1995: Mother Teresa
1996: Mother Teresa
1997: Hillary Rodham Clinton
1998: Hillary Rodham Clinton
1999: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2000: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2001: Laura Bush
2002: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2003: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2004: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2005: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2006: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2007: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2008: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2009: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2010: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2011: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2012: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2013: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2014: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2015: Hillary Rodham Clinton

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
42. If it were not for the corruption (tm) of the DNC and the scheduling, they too would not be such low
Sun May 15, 2016, 08:07 AM
May 2016

information voters and have naturally chosen Bernie, as would all people on all contests EVAH!

If only they had gotten to hear about the word of Bernie! But they have not, thus, we must Bern it down, for the good of the world, so safety Revolution Messaging, the font of the holy word of Bernie.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
15. Hillary WILL LOSE Going Away in The General!
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:02 AM
May 2016

The Hillbot brigade just cannot gettit through their thick skulls that she is absolutely despised by a significant portion of the American electorate. Being kind, at Hillary's BEST she comes across as INSINCERE!

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
43. Uh huh. The media that only covers Bernie positively, where he has set up camp?
Sun May 15, 2016, 08:10 AM
May 2016

The pundits who pretended that he fad a chance and did not question the disconnect between his record and his rhetoric, that undermine her in every way? Sure thing buddy. What color is the sky in backward Bizarro Bernie world?

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
17. Then why
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:32 AM
May 2016

has she lost 15 out of 30 contests since Super Tuesday? She is Martha Coakley version 2.0

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
23. Again you totally miss the point.
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:25 AM
May 2016

Wins or losses of contests (states) are meaningless. It's the number of DELEGATES that count.

Are you THAT new to the process that you don't understand the concept?

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
44. They did fire the writers who knew how to write to take a hard right into
Sun May 15, 2016, 08:13 AM
May 2016

What can only be described as idiotville. Between this guy, HA HA and his special spinning, and math averse Abrahmson, they seem to be committing suicide. They were once relevant and credible, now the site is simply pathetic.

Catering to those who need fiction to keep the delusion alive.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
18. She is this years Martha Coakley
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:35 AM
May 2016

She has lost 15 out of 30 contests since Super Tuesday. People just don't like voting someone who feels "Entitled" to a government post. Coakley felt that she was entitled to Ted Kennedy's seat, took the D after her name for granted, and got beat by someone who once posed nude for Cosmo. 'Nuff said.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
24. How many times ...
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:34 AM
May 2016

... are you going to post the same thing, despite its utter irrelevance?

"People just don't like voting someone who feels 'Entitled' to a government post."

Apparently millions more voters have voted for HRC than for Bernie. Her alleged "sense of entitlement" doesn't seem to be working against her, does it? Or, more to the point, voters aren't even considering that "sense of entitlement" you keep insisting is out there.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
30. They sensed it with Martha Coakley
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:37 AM
May 2016

They are sensing it with HRC. The most powerful woman in the Democratic Party (And in American politics) for the last quarter century is having problems eliminating a Senator from a tiny state who just joined the Democratic party 8 months ago. Something is working against Clinton in a big way.

You know how you meet or see someone, either in person or on tv, and there is just something off-putting about them? That is how many people feel about HRC.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
32. There are no "problems" here.
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:45 AM
May 2016

HRC eliminated that "senator from a tiny state" a long time ago.

"You know how you meet or see someone, either in person or on tv, and there is just something off-putting about them? That is how many people feel about HRC."

The fact that HRC is hundreds of delegates and millions of votes ahead of BS would be a pretty good indicator that the "many people who feel that about HRC" aren't enough to make a difference in who has won the nomination.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
35. Eliminated mathematically
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:48 AM
May 2016

by the grace of the super delegates, 400 of who pledged their votes before the first primary vote was cast.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
31. Hillary has one of those two things
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:39 AM
May 2016

you listed (bad campaigner). Lost one campaign to a freshman senator and is barely squeaking by against a person who only joined the party 8 months ago.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
33. As things stand now ...
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:56 AM
May 2016

... HRC has a vote/delegate lead that Bernie can't possibly come close to, no less overcome.

That may be "barely squeaking by" in BernieWorld. In the real world, it's something more substantial and - oh, what the hell. Why bother?


Go back to your BernieMath Calculator and have yourself a great night!

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
36. I predict Bernie will
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:50 AM
May 2016

get to within 100 pledged delegates of HRC when all is said and done. For the most powerful woman in American politics for the past quarter century, that is a pretty poor showing.

jamese777

(546 posts)
34. Popular vote totals
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:17 AM
May 2016

As of May 15, 2016
Hillary Clinton: 12,728,415
Donald Trump: 11,025,505
Bernie Sanders: 9,627,509

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
39. And when we choose leaders by
Sun May 15, 2016, 05:33 AM
May 2016

popular vote that might mean something. PBO got 93% of the vote in Washington DC, yet he got the same 3 EV than if he had only gotten 51%.

jamese777

(546 posts)
46. Primaries?
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:19 PM
May 2016

You do understand that there are no electoral votes involved in deciding a party's nominee, right?
This discussion is about the primaries, not the general election. There is a direct correlation between the number of pledged delegates a candidate accumulates and the popular vote in states that use a primary system.

bigtree

(85,917 posts)
45. Gore won that election
Sun May 15, 2016, 08:59 AM
May 2016

...and achieved millions more votes than Bush, if not reflected in Florida.

Hillary is far beyond what he achieved in that election and Trump isn't Bush.

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