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Clinton should be very concerned right now (Original Post) Skink May 2016 OP
Obama lost four of his last six primary states to Hillary. Like him, she's our nominee. Trust Buster May 2016 #1
Clinton is NO Obama. Obama did NOT have the Cllinton baggage. Skwmom May 2016 #6
That's irrelevant. Obama was our nominee in 2008 and 2012. Hillary is our nominee in 2016. Trust Buster May 2016 #11
The sour grapes argument is inane considering everything that has transpired in this primary season. Skwmom May 2016 #12
All that has transpired is that Sanders has promised to make other taxpayers support his Trust Buster May 2016 #17
Spoken like a true.... disillusioned73 May 2016 #28
Don't waste your time.. You are being baited.. pangaia May 2016 #54
I know.. disillusioned73 May 2016 #59
Margaret Thatcher. LOL pangaia May 2016 #115
Yes, because tuition is just so cheap today! Slackers? Ridiculous!!! RKP5637 May 2016 #31
Clinton supporter shows true self! Silver_Witch May 2016 #34
Holy shit. Are you a Democrat? I can't believe you wrote that. Dawgs May 2016 #55
Wow...an opinion straight out of FreeRepublic... tex-wyo-dem May 2016 #61
You mean like Trump, inheriting over 100 million, earned his own way in life? Cal33 May 2016 #113
People that need help are slackers? Everyone should be on their own? Why are you a Democrat? DefenseLawyer May 2016 #119
This message was self-deleted by its author frylock May 2016 #125
With all due respect to you, but considering your statement, oh bull shit! PatrickforO May 2016 #138
Excellent point... no surprise the Hillary camp is in full panic mode. Bernie is going all the way and WILL be our nominee. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #20
Bernie's supporters have been saying this since the primaries started , puffy socks May 2016 #103
He's still in the denial stage caquillo May 2016 #116
She is not the nominee until and unless the FBI exonerates her. Which it won't. leveymg May 2016 #30
I'm so tired of Hillaryans saying "She won;" "She's the nominee..." lagomorph777 May 2016 #47
For her, it's already over. Just a matter of time when the FBI report is released. leveymg May 2016 #49
With all due respect your analysis is risible. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #77
You were wrong the last Aug. about Sec. 793, but I didn't wager with you. leveymg May 2016 #95
There is no money involved. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #96
Calling me a chicken? Well, I just lose it when people do that, and here's a hide-worthy . . . leveymg May 2016 #101
I eschew such vituperative language. I am much more subtle. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #111
next best thing to him leaving WhiteTara May 2016 #110
Seems that my comment hit an exposed nerve. leveymg May 2016 #114
I love legal analysis from not-a-lawyers. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #51
Very tiring to keep seeing this bullshit from COLGATE4 May 2016 #68
To be fair, he may not be a lawyer... Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #71
Yep. But it looks like he skipped out without paying. COLGATE4 May 2016 #76
When the facts and the law continue to be against you, go for another ad hominem attack. leveymg May 2016 #97
The facts are that you are not a lawyer, for all that you COLGATE4 May 2016 #98
"Which it won't." puffy socks May 2016 #104
lol DURHAM D May 2016 #2
No kaleckim May 2016 #56
Is this what you're referring to? Dem2 May 2016 #3
cue the crickets... {chirp chirp chirp} InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #23
Sanders 54.8%, Clinton 45.2%, margin of victory 9.6% in Oregon..... Bluenorthwest May 2016 #69
OK, so 0.6% more than I posted? Dem2 May 2016 #82
You think the people of Oregon are dumb enough to vote for Trump? JoePhilly May 2016 #4
Ha ha, GMTA. auntpurl May 2016 #7
I think a good chunk will go Green. Fawke Em May 2016 #8
And that would make Oregon irrelevant. I don't think they are that dumb. JoePhilly May 2016 #10
You can't reason somebody out of something they didn't reason themselves into. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #13
Oregon's not a swing state. It's already irrelevant. n/t winter is coming May 2016 #15
I'm sure they'd be happy to hear you say that. JoePhilly May 2016 #16
Unless a huge chunk of the population changes its orientation en masse winter is coming May 2016 #19
Hillary already said it with her actions, she did not even drop in for a half day this cycle Bluenorthwest May 2016 #74
She knew Bernie would probably win there so she focused in other places. JoePhilly May 2016 #79
Hey Joe take a look at Freedman's Op in the NYT today. Skink May 2016 #45
You think Oregon will go to Trump in November? auntpurl May 2016 #5
HRC beat PBO in CA in 2008 by 8. PBO beat JSM in 08 CA Presidential by 25. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #9
She is now tied kaleckim May 2016 #60
You cared enough about my logic to respond. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #64
Go ahead kaleckim May 2016 #70
He has to get 65%, 66% , 67% of the white vote. That is just not realistic. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #81
No kaleckim May 2016 #87
The predictions market say she is a 2-1 to 3-1 favorite. That is good enough for me. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #89
Head back in sand with ya kaleckim May 2016 #90
And this conversation began with a plea for logic. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #91
Your "logic" kaleckim May 2016 #92
I am a logical positivist. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #94
I'd say that's puffy socks May 2016 #14
Can you point to the blowout numbers in Oregon? NCTraveler May 2016 #18
9.6 is what I'd call a very decisive victory. Others are more casual with their language, but it's Bluenorthwest May 2016 #80
The less votes argument doesn't hold much validity. NCTraveler May 2016 #83
The Hillarians are sure acting panicked and unhinged. HooptieWagon May 2016 #21
Where? liberal N proud May 2016 #25
It's all over but the fun of taunting people into a reaction Dem2 May 2016 #27
Oh, there will be loads of fun after the FBI's recommendation to indict. frylock May 2016 #128
The deck had been stacked in Hillary's favor and she still can't put Bernie away... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #32
How can you tell that they are any more unhinged than usual? pdsimdars May 2016 #58
We are? Not seeing it. Care to share? beaglelover May 2016 #107
I'd say Clinton is still winning...less than 100 delegate votes to go. brooklynite May 2016 #22
What was the total delegate split in Oregon? liberal N proud May 2016 #24
She should be very concerned indeed. Codeine May 2016 #26
Concerned about what? Bernie? That's a joke. YouDig May 2016 #29
No kaleckim May 2016 #62
It's a bit ironic for people from a campaign that has gotten thoroughly pounded to give advice to YouDig May 2016 #63
How have you pounded anyone? kaleckim May 2016 #86
By getting a lot more votes than your guy. Haven't you noticed? YouDig May 2016 #88
"Pounded?" With so much cheating going on? In case you forgot, law-suits are still Cal33 May 2016 #123
Of course, the cheating. Always some conspiracy to fall back on. YouDig May 2016 #124
"Conspiracy?" Since when has there ever been a court case over a "conspiracy?" Cal33 May 2016 #126
Comey. frylock May 2016 #129
The email fairy will save you! You guys are funny! YouDig May 2016 #131
It's the indictment fairy ffs. frylock May 2016 #135
Nah, it's the email fairy. Everyone knows there's no such thing as an indictment fairy. YouDig May 2016 #136
Whichever you prefer. She is unfolding her gossamer wings. frylock May 2016 #137
What was his delegate haul last night? Codeine May 2016 #33
I think he had a net gain of 8. n/t Lil Missy May 2016 #36
A triumph! Codeine May 2016 #37
Bernie wins because Hillary did not win by more than they consider viable. Lil Missy May 2016 #43
Yeah, we're shakin' in our boots. She's so far ahead Bernie couldn't possibly make up the difference Lil Missy May 2016 #35
Yep. Panic! Stuckinthebush May 2016 #66
Yes, she won a mostly-white Southern coal state and Sanders missed his mark by 13% in Ore Tarc May 2016 #38
So concerned, Bernie had to incite his Progressive dog May 2016 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Colors May 2016 #40
Skink, I don't think she's panicking. kstewart33 May 2016 #41
If she and her supporters kaleckim May 2016 #65
I'm not assuming that. kstewart33 May 2016 #132
panic jcgoldie May 2016 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #44
No one's panicking except for Bernie supporters. pnwmom May 2016 #46
He won Oregon, he won Washington and you know that California trends with us not with Bluenorthwest May 2016 #84
Closed primaries are doing a real disservice. Skink May 2016 #48
Yes, a disservice to those wanting to game the system. grossproffit May 2016 #53
More like Sanders is panicking KingFlorez May 2016 #50
No doubt she is REALLY, REALLY pissed off. pangaia May 2016 #52
We should all be concerned. The establishment has done EVERYTHING PatrickforO May 2016 #57
Well, seeing as there will be no 'contested convention' I'm afraid COLGATE4 May 2016 #75
Exactly Carolina May 2016 #117
Bernie should be very concerned right now onenote May 2016 #67
that's why the HRC campaign acts w/ such desperation amborin May 2016 #72
I for one am a nervous wreck. Bernie has Hillary exactly where he wants her. Nye Bevan May 2016 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author MineralMan May 2016 #100
I know what you mean. hamsterjill May 2016 #133
That's probably why her fan club is going nuts. QC May 2016 #78
Given that Hillarians insist the race is over... RufusTFirefly May 2016 #85
Everyone who is against Trump should be concerned BootinUp May 2016 #93
Everyone who is against Trump should support a strong opponent RufusTFirefly May 2016 #99
A strong opponent that has lost the nomination? More CRAZY. BootinUp May 2016 #102
Ahh and Sanders supporters were progressing MyNameGoesHere May 2016 #105
Why? She has a lock on the D nomination for POTUS. I think she should be celebrating. beaglelover May 2016 #106
If she now has a lock, it's time for Comey to issue the report. Save the champagne leveymg May 2016 #108
More RWNJ BS posted on a Democratic website. You must be so proud to call yourself a Democrat! beaglelover May 2016 #109
Not RW. My first political memory is JFK reaching up to shake my hand. leveymg May 2016 #112
This is centrist wing nut jerb denial in full effect. frylock May 2016 #134
Oregonians are independent thinkers Ferd Berfel May 2016 #118
i agree with you. when 50 percent of your own party doesn't like okieinpain May 2016 #120
Yes, she should just give the race to the really old socialist who wants to enormously raise taxes anotherproletariat May 2016 #121
Clinton will win OR and WA in November. Garrett78 May 2016 #122
The Actual Numbers: jamese777 May 2016 #127
I must have seen at least a half-dozen posts that are exactly like this one: Maedhros May 2016 #130
 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
11. That's irrelevant. Obama was our nominee in 2008 and 2012. Hillary is our nominee in 2016.
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:34 AM
May 2016

Sour grapes are irrelevant at this point.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
12. The sour grapes argument is inane considering everything that has transpired in this primary season.
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:36 AM
May 2016
 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
17. All that has transpired is that Sanders has promised to make other taxpayers support his
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:40 AM
May 2016

college kids and other slackers instead of earning it themselves. Not hard to figure out his appeal. I think people should earn their own way in life.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
59. I know..
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:42 AM
May 2016

just wanted to use the power of the theoretical mirror, if I posted this with no context - who does it sound like??

"All that has transpired is that Sanders has promised to make other taxpayers support his college kids and other slackers instead of earning it themselves. Not hard to figure out his appeal. I think people should earn their own way in life."

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
55. Holy shit. Are you a Democrat? I can't believe you wrote that.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:39 AM
May 2016

That's amazing.



Probably hate Social Security and Medicare too.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
119. People that need help are slackers? Everyone should be on their own? Why are you a Democrat?
Wed May 18, 2016, 03:01 PM
May 2016

You seem more like an Ayn Rand style Libertarian.

Response to Trust Buster (Reply #17)

PatrickforO

(14,515 posts)
138. With all due respect to you, but considering your statement, oh bull shit!
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:07 PM
May 2016

By your logic the higher the level of debt slavery when one of our children graduates from college the less of a slacker they are???

Please.

Instead of that, I have an idea - how about OUR government, OF, BY and FOR us, the people use the tax dollars WE pay in for programs that actually improve the quality of OUR lives instead of paying for useless, criminal shit like the forever war, the war on drugs we lost the minute we declared, private prisons and all the other crap that doesn't help any of us one bit but increases corporate profits.

And, Buster, why have the corrupt worms we've elected to supposedly look out for our interests in DC allowed:
1. Corporations and billionaires to salt away over $20 trillion in UNTAXED profits offshore, and
2. 'Free trade' agreements to offshore hundreds of thousands of jobs - good ones, the kind with pensions and decent benefits that you could raise a family on and have hope to get ahead?

And, last, since the national debt is arguably money we owe ourselves, why are we paying interest on it to bankers??? Instead of that, we should revoke the Fed's charter and begin printing our own money. The argument that such a move would cause inflation is spurious at best; the real danger is the so-called 'respectable' bankers - the people in suits. They will do what the European bankers did to Lincoln - they will flood us with counterfeit money. (Did you know that in 1865 when the Secret Service was created to battle this, about 1/3 of US currency was counterfeit?).

Bottom line? It's time we rethink our social order, Buster, because for too long we've been letting people die for the sake of profits, and letting the earth die a little bit more each day so some old, white, male capitalist can make some money on the backs of his workers and his customers. THAT is what is bullshit, Buster.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
20. Excellent point... no surprise the Hillary camp is in full panic mode. Bernie is going all the way and WILL be our nominee.
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:43 AM
May 2016

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
103. Bernie's supporters have been saying this since the primaries started ,
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:44 AM
May 2016

yet Bernie is losing by millions of votes.

The argument does not hold water.

caquillo

(521 posts)
116. He's still in the denial stage
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:53 PM
May 2016

I'll bet that in June, it will turn to anger, when all is said and done and Sanders is NOT the nominee. As long as the primaries continue, they still have some semblance of hope, which feeds the denial. But after June 7, it will all be over, and with no more contests to look forward to, they'll have to face reality, sooner or later. Unfortunately, this period coincides with the DNC (in late July), and after what happened in NV last weekend, I hope they don't take their anger out violently. Hopefully, they'll have moved on to bargaining by then.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
30. She is not the nominee until and unless the FBI exonerates her. Which it won't.
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:49 AM
May 2016

Without a clean bill of legal health, politically, she might as well have Stage 4 cancer.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
47. I'm so tired of Hillaryans saying "She won;" "She's the nominee..."
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:15 AM
May 2016

like they think we can't read. Like the FBI investigation is just a "review"; like the voters in the remaining states can be told to sit out this election.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
49. For her, it's already over. Just a matter of time when the FBI report is released.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:26 AM
May 2016

I only hope that those who actually run the Democratic Party have already implemented contingency and succession planning that was initiated last Spring when her apparent violation of her Classified Information agreement was first made public. Even a fricking start-up IT company does succession planning before it goes public. It's just mandatory. How can a major political party that claims to represent tens of millions of people be any different?

It's over. The question now, will the party rank and file have any say at all in who replaces Hillary Clinton? From all appearances, the answer to that is no.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
77. With all due respect your analysis is risible.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:02 AM
May 2016


Let's wager... Loser leaves DU.


I think your analysis is risible as are the predictions that emanate from it.

If I performed an analysis and made a prediction based on it and a fellow poster said it was a joke and offered me the wager I offered you I would take it in a New York minute.




LOLINGLY,

DemocratSinceBirth

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
95. You were wrong the last Aug. about Sec. 793, but I didn't wager with you.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:33 AM
May 2016

You seemed convinced at that time that 793 doesn't apply, and that only 1924, a misdemeanor, might. The gov't subsequently released a copy of her signed Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement, and low and behold, Sec. 793 is the most cited statute shown on the form as a penalty for her violation of the agreement.

I don't bet, but you seem to enjoy doubling down.

Always a pleasure.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
96. There is no money involved.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:36 AM
May 2016
I don't bet, but you seem to enjoy doubling down.



There is no money involved. There will be no pecuniary gain. One of us brays about things he knows nothing about and the other doesn't. When the person who does the braying is challenged he deflects.

What did Lincoln say? A man who isn't a lawyer yet holds himself out as one makes fools of those who believe him.

"Always a pleasure."

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
101. Calling me a chicken? Well, I just lose it when people do that, and here's a hide-worthy . . .
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:40 AM
May 2016

Have a nice day.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
114. Seems that my comment hit an exposed nerve.
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:15 PM
May 2016

Maybe you folks will wake up when Comey's report is finally out. She's not a viable candidate. She has done all Democrats enormous harm.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
97. When the facts and the law continue to be against you, go for another ad hominem attack.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:37 AM
May 2016

Double-down when you're behind, and double-down again when you're broke.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
98. The facts are that you are not a lawyer, for all that you
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:39 AM
May 2016

try to play one here on DU and you've been called out for it. Nothing ad hominem about that.

kaleckim

(651 posts)
56. No
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:39 AM
May 2016

with all its money, establishment support, name recognition, she's now tied with the most unpopular nominee in polling history. I agree she hasn't imploded, she was always horribly weak, and that reality is now starting to seep in. She isn't trusted (good luck improving that with the massive amount of lying you all have done in the last few days), isn't liked and polls much worse than Sanders versus Trump and much worse with independents. At least her arrow points to the right, at least that is accurate. Her largest donors aren't buying her off, sorry, donating to her campaign so that she governs like Sanders or Warren would.

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
3. Is this what you're referring to?
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:30 AM
May 2016

Hillary Clinton 46.8% 45.5% 51 1,767
Bernie Sanders 46.3% 54.5% 55 1,488
Reporting 99% 75% 2,383 to win

I appear to be missing the "blowout" aspect to last night - would you care you explain that to me?

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
19. Unless a huge chunk of the population changes its orientation en masse
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:42 AM
May 2016

(or stays home altogether), none of the non-swing states "matter". Getting all het up because some people in reliably red or blue states say they're going to go green is silly.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
74. Hillary already said it with her actions, she did not even drop in for a half day this cycle
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:01 AM
May 2016

She should have. It would have helped on the path going forward if she's the nominee. And of course her boosters on DU have been rather insistent that the West Coast does not count, they have been saying 'the people have spoken' since Iowa, then all through her Southern Sweep 'it's over, the people have spoken'. Oregon has spoken. Hopefully our candidates are listening better than their boosters are.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
79. She knew Bernie would probably win there so she focused in other places.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:05 AM
May 2016

Throughout this primary, Bernie supporters have been trying to decide which states "count" and which don't.

They all count. And Hillary is winning.

And the fact remains ... the people of Oregon are not going to vote for Trump.



Skink

(10,122 posts)
45. Hey Joe take a look at Freedman's Op in the NYT today.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:12 AM
May 2016

He argues Trump could gain some support there

kaleckim

(651 posts)
60. She is now tied
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:43 AM
May 2016

with the most unpopular nominee in polling history, has historically bad net favorables (would be the most unliked nominee in polling history, already is the most unliked nominee in her party's history), does much worse with independents and polls much, much worse versus Trump than Sanders. You also have done something pretty amazing this election cycle, especially the last few months. You've decided to focus your attacks largely on Sanders' supporters, and not him, which is just brilliant given her already bad polling numbers. You seem to think the left will, like usual, just fall in line anyway, and it won't. I could care less what you say about someone else's logic when this is your own.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
64. You cared enough about my logic to respond.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:53 AM
May 2016

She will beat Trump. As I have said, much to the chagrin of my nemeses on this board and they are legion, I would literally wager my life on that proposition.

kaleckim

(651 posts)
70. Go ahead
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:58 AM
May 2016

wager something you aren't wagering. She, right now, is tied with the most unpopular nominee in polling history. That alone should tell you how horribly weak of a candidate she is. She has historically bad net favorables, is not trusted (and she and her supporters have spent the last few days blatantly lying, so good luck improving that), polls horribly among independents and polls much worse than Sanders versus Trump. Think whatever you want, Trump has a much better chance at beating Clinton than Sanders as we sit today. Her getting more votes from Democrats doesn't change that, and her getting more votes is telling and says a lot about the modern Democratic Party. Your comment is predicated on the fact that you can accurately predict the future (which you can't), or that her numbers will get much better (which is not likely). Wonderful "logic" you got there.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
81. He has to get 65%, 66% , 67% of the white vote. That is just not realistic.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:06 AM
May 2016

Nixon and Reagan in their 72 and 84 blowouts didn't even or barely reached those lofty numbers.

NO.TRUMP. FOR. YOU.



Go ahead
wager something you aren't wagering


If you think that wager is unrealistic I am open to others you deem more realistic.

kaleckim

(651 posts)
87. No
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:13 AM
May 2016

She can get people to not want to vote for her or repel enough people on the left to either not vote or vote for the Greens. You all seem to think that isn't going to happen, and you're all deluded. You've spent the last few days lying, outright lying, and attacking the very people her election hinges on. You also can rationalize things all you want, the polling now shows that she is tied nationally and in key swing states with Trump, the most unpopular nominee in polling history. Her net favorables in places like Florida are over negative 20, and people in those states do no trust her. She is a horrible candidate. She certainly can win, but you're just not being honest with yourself about where she stands today. If that FBI investigation goes wrong or any major scandal breaks between now and November, she's in deep, deep trouble. Think what you want, it isn't logically convincing at all.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
89. The predictions market say she is a 2-1 to 3-1 favorite. That is good enough for me.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:15 AM
May 2016

Trump is in a demographic straitjacket.

kaleckim

(651 posts)
92. Your "logic"
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:27 AM
May 2016

is that the actual polls now, the fact that she is the most unpopular Democratic nominee in polling history, the fact that she is not at all trusted, mean nothing. She is tied nationally and in key swing states with the most unpopular nominee in polling history, and you want to ignore all that. There is no logic there, because your argument isn't logical. Head back in the sand with ya, like I said.

Keep up your and the rest of the Clinton crew's shtick too with Sanders supporters, your blatant lies and smear campaigns, and you'll make your situation much worse, if you haven't already.

No point in us doing this back and forth. If you want to respond again and say the same thing, feel free.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
94. I am a logical positivist.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:32 AM
May 2016

I look at the evidence, objectively and dispassionately, and based on my examination of the evidence it is my considered opinion it is more likely than not Hillary Clinton will defeat Donald Trump.

That is also the consensus of political scientists.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
80. 9.6 is what I'd call a very decisive victory. Others are more casual with their language, but it's
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:06 AM
May 2016

a big win all the same. Interesting fact about Oregon, Hillary got even less votes here than she did when she lost Oregon to Obama.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
83. The less votes argument doesn't hold much validity.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:09 AM
May 2016

It's hard to judge things like that when the nominee is known. I do agree with you that it was a solid win for Sanders. Blowout? Nah.

Neither Sanders or Clinton come even close to the appearance of Obama. He ran what could go down as the best campaign in history.

https://m.



And to cut you off at the pass considering your recent attacks on me, I spoke out loudly against Warren.
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
21. The Hillarians are sure acting panicked and unhinged.
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:44 AM
May 2016

And probably for good reason...Clintons momentum is dead in the water, her numbers continue to drop, and the continued cheating by the DNC and lying by Clinton surrogates is burning the bridges to voters she desparately needs in Nov, but are now gone.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
128. Oh, there will be loads of fun after the FBI's recommendation to indict.
Wed May 18, 2016, 03:28 PM
May 2016

You think this is fun? You ain't seen shit.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
32. The deck had been stacked in Hillary's favor and she still can't put Bernie away...
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:49 AM
May 2016

Bernie is not finished yet... the revolution rolls on, all the way to the convention! The super delegates need to wise up to the fact that Hillary is a deeply flawed candidate.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

beaglelover

(3,439 posts)
107. We are? Not seeing it. Care to share?
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:55 AM
May 2016

We're happy that Hillary has locked down the D nomination for POTUS last night. Bernie didn't do what he needed to do to catch up to Hillary's enormous lead in votes and pledged delegates.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
26. She should be very concerned indeed.
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:46 AM
May 2016

What to wear to her moment of convention triumph? New carpet in the Oval Office? What to call the First Husband?

All pressing questions as she cruises to victory. . .

kaleckim

(651 posts)
62. No
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:47 AM
May 2016

her horrific polling numbers and you Clinton supporters' insane, monumentally bad decision to full on lie and attack Sanders' supporters. I'd understand the scorched Earth tactic (strategically, not morally), if she was polling much better than she is versus Trump, was trusted and liked. She is now tied nationally, and in key swing states, with the most unpopular nominee in polling history. What did she and her supporters do when they were caught looking horrible in Vegas? Slime Sanders supporters, lie left and right about them (again, remember the "English only" lie you people put out there months ago, also in Vegas?), then argue that she's fine because they'll all fall in line come November. Beyond tone deaf, this isn't 1994 and you've all massively *ucked up.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
63. It's a bit ironic for people from a campaign that has gotten thoroughly pounded to give advice to
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:52 AM
May 2016

the campaign that thoroughly pounded them, don't you think?

kaleckim

(651 posts)
86. How have you pounded anyone?
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:10 AM
May 2016

With all your massive establishment and DNC support (and shenanigans), your massive Wall Street and corporate money (the real game changer), her huge advantage in name recognition, her massive institutional power, she's going to barely get by the independent democratic socialist. She's also now tied nationally and in key swing states with the most unpopular nominee in polling history, has historically bad net favorables, isn't trusted (and good luck improving that with your massive lies the last few days), does horribly with independents and is under FBI investigation.

I will give you and those like you credit for one thing: You've invented new ways of sticking your head in the sand.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
123. "Pounded?" With so much cheating going on? In case you forgot, law-suits are still
Wed May 18, 2016, 03:06 PM
May 2016

going on. Wait until the results are out, at least, before celebrating.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
33. What was his delegate haul last night?
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:49 AM
May 2016

He's bailing out the Titanic with a Dixie cup and you're cheering each splash, oblivious to the water up to his armpits.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
43. Bernie wins because Hillary did not win by more than they consider viable.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:05 AM
May 2016

And we are shaking in our boots. Again.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
35. Yeah, we're shakin' in our boots. She's so far ahead Bernie couldn't possibly make up the difference
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:51 AM
May 2016

Stuckinthebush

(10,816 posts)
66. Yep. Panic!
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:54 AM
May 2016

I think we are all laughing over in the Clinton group.

Bernie is history and he is making himself look more and more like an ass every day. He will be a footnote soon.

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
38. Yes, she won a mostly-white Southern coal state and Sanders missed his mark by 13% in Ore
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:54 AM
May 2016

I'd say the Clinton campaign is doing fine in cruise control.

Progressive dog

(6,861 posts)
39. So concerned, Bernie had to incite his
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:56 AM
May 2016

followers to harass the Nevada democrats over 2 delegates he wanted stolen from the voters' choice and moved to his column.
Oh wait, you claim it's Hillary that is concerned. Sorry, it's easy to misunderstand fantasies.

Response to Skink (Original post)

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
41. Skink, I don't think she's panicking.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:04 AM
May 2016

Two more states over, and Bernie gains no real ground and so he's farther behind because fewer delegates are in the remaining stew.

No way Oregon will vote Trump in November, and Hillary knows that.

I thought she'd lose both, and she campaigned fiercely over 4 days in KY and took the race.

I'd wager she's feeling pretty good this AM.

kaleckim

(651 posts)
65. If she and her supporters
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:54 AM
May 2016

are feeling good in general, given her horrible polling numbers nationally, they're out of their minds. When people make comments about this primary, realize that they are also looking at her historically bad net favorables (would be the most unpopular major party nominee in history if she runs against someone other than Trump, and she is freaking tied with him as is), not trusted, polls badly with independents, much worse versus Trump. She's also under FBI investigation and is corrupt to her core. Look at the new Republican ad where they focus 100% on her Wall Street corruption. THAT is the person you're all gloating over. Now, what did she and her campaign decide to do when they were caught looking horrible in Vegas, acting in blatantly undemocratic ways? They attacked and lied about Sanders' supporters. Brilliant strategy when her polling numbers are already as bad as they are nationally. I guess you all assume the left will, like they did during her husband's presidency, just fall in line? Don't assume that.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
132. I'm not assuming that.
Wed May 18, 2016, 03:39 PM
May 2016

Your vote is your own. But let's agree to disagree because we are both firmly committed to our own candidate.

At this point, perhaps it's best to just wait and see what happens. Hillary will win the nomination, but I'm not gloating about it.

What's more interesting is what follows in the general.

Response to Skink (Original post)

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
46. No one's panicking except for Bernie supporters.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:13 AM
May 2016

He got so few extra delegates this time, he's going to need an even higher percentage going forward.
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
84. He won Oregon, he won Washington and you know that California trends with us not with
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:09 AM
May 2016

the East Coast.
I'm totally thrilled myself, as my first goal in a Primary cycle is to see it run through the entire country and raise lots of important issues. So far, so good.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
50. More like Sanders is panicking
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:33 AM
May 2016

He needed to get 70% or more in Oregon to stay track, but he missed that goal greatly.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
52. No doubt she is REALLY, REALLY pissed off.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:35 AM
May 2016

I would not want to be around any meeting right about now.

PatrickforO

(14,515 posts)
57. We should all be concerned. The establishment has done EVERYTHING
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:39 AM
May 2016

it can to bury Bernie's candidacy, but he keeps WINNING. Why? Because what he's saying makes sense. Because the issues he is bringing up are issues we need to discuss. Because I (and millions of others) are sick of oligarchs stealing our tax money for their profits while we have less and less of the pie. We've been nickel and dimed for decades, and I'm so tired of it I want to puke every time I get a bill or go to the grocery store. Bernie's policies WILL ACTUALLY MAKE MY LIFE BETTER.

That is why I support him, and will continue to support him through a contested convention.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
75. Well, seeing as there will be no 'contested convention' I'm afraid
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:01 AM
May 2016

your support will end before then.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
117. Exactly
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:56 PM
May 2016

I wish it were only nickels and dimes. We, the people, have been ROBBED big time: housing costs, education costs, healthcare costs, food costs, utility costs, QUALITY of LIFE costs.

Trump and $hillary are agents of that robbery -- they are both of the ROBBER CLASS! The thought of either one in the White House is beyond appalling. Even worse are all the Dems/DINOs who have fallen in line for the Third Way Anointed One whose record is anything but d/Democratic.

onenote

(42,374 posts)
67. Bernie should be very concerned right now
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:56 AM
May 2016

Blown out in Virginia, Pennsylvania, Delaware, New York, Ohio and Florida. All states he would need in November.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
73. I for one am a nervous wreck. Bernie has Hillary exactly where he wants her.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:00 AM
May 2016

It is indeed dark days for Hillary supporters like me.

Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #73)

hamsterjill

(15,214 posts)
133. I know what you mean.
Wed May 18, 2016, 03:45 PM
May 2016

I've been a nervous wreck myself. Compounded, of course, by the NUMEROUS posts I see daily from Sanders supporters swearing that they'll never vote for Hillary. I lose sleep at night worrying about that!!! LOL

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
85. Given that Hillarians insist the race is over...
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:09 AM
May 2016

... she should be wiping the floor with him. (You know, like, with a cloth.)

But instead she's eking out victories or losing outright.

No wonder her supporters are so anxious to end the race prematurely.

The trend is ominous.

Guess it's time for even dirtier tricks from Brock and his confederates.



Hillary Clinton is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.

BootinUp

(46,924 posts)
93. Everyone who is against Trump should be concerned
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:27 AM
May 2016

Nothing good can come from the crazy being spread within the Democratic Party. Crazy is ignoring the real state of the race. Crazy is when you start sounding like Trump.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
99. Everyone who is against Trump should support a strong opponent
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:39 AM
May 2016

Not someone who perpetually shifts her positions, has dubious support from independents, is potentially in legal hot water, and is either distrusted or disliked (or both) by an alarming percentage of the electorate.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
105. Ahh and Sanders supporters were progressing
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:51 AM
May 2016

to the second stage. Now it's back to denial. Please get well soon.

beaglelover

(3,439 posts)
106. Why? She has a lock on the D nomination for POTUS. I think she should be celebrating.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:53 AM
May 2016

It's time for Bernie to get out of the race. He now has a less than zero path to the nomination. But he won't because his ego is too big.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
108. If she now has a lock, it's time for Comey to issue the report. Save the champagne
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:59 AM
May 2016

and celebrations. She's not going to exonerated. Now, what do we do? Sure hope someone has been doing some succession planning.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
112. Not RW. My first political memory is JFK reaching up to shake my hand.
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:10 PM
May 2016

That was at a rally in New Haven just before the election. I was on my father's shoulders. I also remember handing out LBJ bumperstickers. Been doing that sort of thing ever since. Knocked 4000 doors for Obama. Worked for the D-trip, DSCC and numerous candidates along the way.

Hillary is the wrong candidate. She's an unindicted felon who has violated her security clearance. Time to find someone else.

okieinpain

(9,397 posts)
120. i agree with you. when 50 percent of your own party doesn't like
Wed May 18, 2016, 03:02 PM
May 2016

you, you have problems. i just wonder why that 50 percent waited till now to start talking shiY. lol.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
121. Yes, she should just give the race to the really old socialist who wants to enormously raise taxes
Wed May 18, 2016, 03:03 PM
May 2016

and who will clearly win over middle America with his atheism.

Think about it. People voted for Trump. That shows how easily the masses are swayed by demonstrations and rhetoric, and Sanders has been capitalizing on this fact for almost a year. Too bad he has no substance behind is promises, or he might have won.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
122. Clinton will win OR and WA in November.
Wed May 18, 2016, 03:05 PM
May 2016

Candidates winning states in November that they lost during the primary season is not at all uncommon.

jamese777

(546 posts)
127. The Actual Numbers:
Wed May 18, 2016, 03:26 PM
May 2016

Primaries' popular vote totals as of May 18th
Hillary Clinton: 13,177,734
Donald Trump: 11,236,652
Bernie Sanders: 10,131,732

Clinton over Sanders: 3,046,002
Clinton over Trump: 1,941,082

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
130. I must have seen at least a half-dozen posts that are exactly like this one:
Wed May 18, 2016, 03:32 PM
May 2016
Violence. Death threats. Vile, misogynistic names screamed at women. Rage. Hatred. Menacing, anonymous phone calls to homes and offices. Public officials whisked offstage by security agents frightened of the growing mob. None of this has any place in a political campaign. And the candidate who has been tolerating this obscene behavior among his supporters is showing himself to be unfit for office.

So, Senator Sanders, either get control of what is becoming your increasingly unhinged cult or get out of the race. Whatever respect sane liberals had for you is rapidly dwindling, and the damage being inflicted on your reputation may be unfixable. If you can’t even manage the vicious thugs who act in your name, you can’t be trusted to run a convenience store, much less the country.


Such a tenuous grip on reality. I can only laugh at them at this point.
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