2016 Postmortem
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The Sanders Revolution Is What We Make It. Let's Not Make It Disappointing.
By Chris Reeves
Tuesday May 17, 2016 · 6:46 PM CDT
Excerpt from the middle:
Over the last few weeks, though, many of the revolutionary ideals of direct change in our districts ideas that weve pushed in the states I work with are often overshadowed by conspiracies, online information that is wrong or just well, crazy, and in some cases advice that runs counter to the goal of what I view as a real revolution.
Link to the whole thing: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/05/17/1527657/-The-Sanders-Revolution-Is-What-We-Make-It-Let-s-Not-Make-It-Disappointing
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)scscholar
(2,902 posts)so sad
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)disavow some of the worst behaviors and urge that small but visible number of his supporters (and those who are not among that number should not go out of their way to take offense and think they are being included in that lot) to act like adults instead of like tantrum-throwing, angry toddlers when they don't get their way.
Most Sanders supporters I've met IRL are not like that at all--the ones I see on videos and read on the internet, though? A LOT of those people are aggressive, combative, and looking for a fight.
The crazy conspiracy theories and the vicious, ageist, racist comments have got to go.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)If he disavows them now. I really think it will take conceding the race with what dignity he has left.
Oh Yes, I realize there are sane Sanders supporters. The ones I know are horrified about Nevada .
"The crazy conspiracy theories and the vicious, ageist, racist comments have got to go."
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)"Our campaign of course believes in non-violent change and it goes without saying that I condemn any and all forms of violence, including the personal harassment of individuals."
Oh, wait - he did say that.
WTF??? What are you talking about??
MADem
(135,425 posts)That's from YOUR link.
But is THIS nonsense?
http://gawker.com/nevada-democrats-report-personalized-death-threats-from-1777079119
And this? FAIR WARNING BEFORE YOU CLICK--very foul, sexist and ugly language:
https://twitter.com/scottbix/status/732554249465438208/photo/1
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)So yes, exactly. It's NONSENSE.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Thousands of phone calls its not Trump supporters and its not a cpl of mentally ill people. It's Bernie's fanatical supporters.
They continue to they and justify and deny.
blm
(112,919 posts)as Sanders supporters specifically to disrupt Dem gatherings with the goal of fomenting a riot in Philadelphia. I had someone here posing as a Bernie supporter actually reply that the difference from 1968 protests is that it wouldn't be 'drug-crazed' rioters.
Uh
..war protestors in 1968 weren't called 'drug-crazed' rioters by anyone but the RW/GOP crowd.
Bottom line (imo)
.. The same type of operatives that infiltrated most every effective movement of the left, especially in an election years
GOP.
I don't know ANY fellow Sanders voter who speaks or acts the way these few do.
MADem
(135,425 posts)you know there's a trolly operation in full swing. Why would people ostensibly wanting a "Fight for Fifteen" candidate vote for a guy who wants to LOWER the minimum wage?
You'd have to be terribly obtuse to find common cause with Trump if you are a genuine -- and not an Astroturfing--Sanders supporter.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)No. They deny or defend. They try and dilute it's importance, or project the actions and words onto the DNC or Hillary.
I know there are GOP posers , but the fact that Sanders supporters are so willing to go along because they believe it's another Sanders supporter speaks volumes.
blm
(112,919 posts)And normalizing the rancor is what happens when the exchanges here get way too overthetop. This board has had plenty of RW infiltrators over the last 3 presidential primaries - this year is the worst, so, I imagine there are far more of them and experienced in working this board. And there may be more posing as Sanders supporters this cycle, but, there are few new incendiary posters posing as HRC voters, too.
apnu
(8,722 posts)Self identified Bernie supporters felt it important to point out to me that her actions fit the crime. Essentially blaming the victim of bullying and harassment. I asked them to denounce cyberbullying, they pointedly refused to do so. Doubling down on the "this is what you get" Both of these posters have several thousand posts to on their account. It was horrible to behold.
apnu
(8,722 posts)That is a strong vocal rebuke of the language of hate being spewed by Bernie supporters, even OpChaos Republican actors, is necessary.
It sends a clear message that Bernie's campaign isn't about violence of any kind, verbal or physical. Cyber or real life.
Bernie's presser was milktoast. He seemed to shrug and say "they're angry, what do you want?"
blm
(112,919 posts)tactics and how standard practice they have become.
apnu
(8,722 posts)I've often wondered at Bernie's campaign. He's thought of himself for so long as an Independent, he campaigns as though he is one. He hasn't much reached out to rank-and-file Democrats and tried to convince them that his goals and policies are their goals and policies. He campaigned from the outside and seems to be stuck on drawing new blood in. Which is great, but he's ignored what was already in the tent and he wonders why he's never led in this contest by any metric.
Seems like a rookie, to party politics, mistake to me.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)except by the RW. So yeah, that operative revealed their true origin with that language.